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SWA's June Traffic Numbers Are Out And Wow!  
User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1564 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5280 times:
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SWA had an excellent June with RPM's up 11% and Load Factor up nearly 2 points. I would hope that SWA's management would be smart enough to figure out that the demand to fly has not diminished but rather people have been impacted by higher fares in general. I would hope that SWA would reconsider going down 15 planes from plan at the end of 2008 and instead take those aircraft into MSP and rescue those poor souls who are being held hostage by NWA---in fact that would be a great strategy to say that they are going to reduce their growth from 8% to 6% (which they said they would do) and then pull a surprise attack on NWA at MSP....the frequent flyer program at NWA cannot overcome the increasingly "we do not care" attitude on the part of many NWA employees who have a legitimate right to be disillusioned with lousy management (who take care of themselves no matter what)

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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting N471WN (Thread starter):
I would hope that SWA would reconsider going down 15 planes from plan at the end of 2008 and instead take those aircraft into MSP and rescue those poor souls who are being held hostage by NWA

Their employees?


On a more serious note, I too think WN should enter MSP; and on a large scale at that.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Quoting N471WN (Thread starter):
the frequent flyer program at NWA cannot overcome the increasingly "we do not care" attitude on the part of many NWA employees who have a legitimate right to be disillusioned with lousy management (who take care of themselves no matter what

Wow, and I clicked on this thread thinking it was going to be about Southwest.

Oh, those poor souls that fly out of MSP. If they want cheaper fares, they can drive further. That's what Southwest makes them do at Boston, New York, and other places.

Anyhoo, congrats to Southwest on their good numbers. Hopefully, they're getting their market figured out.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Boston, New York, and other places.

and Midland, and Austin, and Boise, and Albany, and Phoenix, and Denver, and Seattle, and San Francisco, and Baltimore, and Philadelphia...

Selective memory, or blinders?


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Quoting N471WN (Thread starter):
MSP



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 1):
On a more serious note, I too think WN should enter MSP; and on a large scale at that.

Pigs will fly before WN enters MSP. If they ever enter MSP, I will belive it when I see it.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Oh, those poor souls that fly out of MSP. If they want cheaper fares, they can drive further. That's what Southwest makes them do at Boston, New York, and other places.

IIRC, Allegiant is coming into RST, WN can do the same if they feel the need to break into the Minnesota market.

Its good to hear that WN's numbers are up!!

[Edited 2007-07-04 03:20:01]


Long Live Memphis!
User currently offlineLuvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

for NYC I guess its a choice. Drive 45 min. or sit on a taxiway for 2 hours!

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting N471WN (Thread starter):
SWA had an excellent June with RPM's up 11% and Load Factor up nearly 2 points. I would hope that SWA's management would be smart enough to figure out that the demand to fly has not diminished but rather people have been impacted by higher fares in general. I would hope that SWA would reconsider going down 15 planes from plan at the end of 2008 and instead take those aircraft into MSP and rescue those poor souls who are being held hostage by NWA---in fact that would be a great strategy to say that they are going to reduce their growth from 8% to 6% (which they said they would do) and then pull a surprise attack on NWA at MSP....the frequent flyer program at NWA cannot overcome the increasingly "we do not care" attitude on the part of many NWA employees who have a legitimate right to be disillusioned with lousy management (who take care of themselves no matter what)

Do we have a link...or is this speculation...I haven't yet seen a PR...

Even if all the above is true, all airlines are seeing higher LFs. WN's is typically lower than most others, so the stats are useless unless we have something to compare them to...



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
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RDUDDJI:

Go to swa.com and look at the press release. The comparison is with June of last year obviously---not sure why you would say nothing to compare it to....June's RPM's are up 11% over last June's numbers and the load factor is up neary 2 points. That is significant when airlines (including SWA) have said business is slowing.....which leads me to my hypothesis that SWA is ready to strike at another city.....


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 3):
Selective memory, or blinders?

Oh please. Your point is entirely different than mind. Face it: Southwest does not serve one of the big three New York airports. Sorry, but you can't really argue with me on that. Nor do they serve Boston.

Yes, they serve Midland, and I am sure that all twelve people that live there appreciate it. I know I appreciated it when I flew there... on American Eagle, but I digress.


The point of my post was to draw attention to the fact that even the original poster found a way to turn a press release from Southwest (an airline I love) into a major bash of Northwest (an airline I avoid).

a.net cheerleading at its finest.

Quoting Luvfa (Reply 5):
for NYC I guess its a choice. Drive 45 min. or sit on a taxiway for 2 hours!

Amen! And I even like the way you put it!

Why don't you Southwest cheerleaders get off of your MSP bandwagon and try and get them to come to Anchorage? Our only lo-co carrier is Frontier, and they are only a seasonal guy. Well, Sun Country also flies here seasonall... once a week or so...
We'd sure love someone to come in and bust up AS's stranglehold on the market. Heck, they could even serve Hawaii from here... HA can't send enough 767s to meet demand in the wintertime, and the service on NW is no better than what you get on WN.

Cheers, all.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Oh please. Your point is entirely different than mind. Face it: Southwest does not serve one of the big three New York airports. Sorry, but you can't really argue with me on that. Nor do they serve Boston.

Yes, they serve Midland, and I am sure that all twelve people that live there appreciate it. I know I appreciated it when I flew there... on American Eagle, but I digress.


The point of my post was to draw attention to the fact that even the original poster found a way to turn a press release from Southwest (an airline I love) into a major bash of Northwest (an airline I avoid).

a.net cheerleading at its finest.

My point was to point out your narrow view of Southwest, as an "airline that serves primarily outlying and fringe cities" (not quoting you, but paraphrasing a thesis that you and many others take). The two cities you mention, Boston and NYC are actually unique (along with perhaps Miami), and not the norm for WN, despite the going consensus on their "business model". Your comment is nowhere representative of the reality in most cities. I was making a point of demonstrating that across the scale, small cities to very large, WN makes direct contact with the primary or central airport. And now you've gone out of your way to not only insult Minneapolitans, but Midlanders as well. So, it took all of TWO replies to read something negative about WN (your post, at least that's how it came across, hence my reply) in what the OP introduced as positive news. Do you see your role as the necessary "antichearleader" to keep us level? Or is "getting their market figured out" your version of a positive statement?

-Rampart


User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Oh please. Your point is entirely different than mind. Face it: Southwest does not serve one of the big three New York airports. Sorry, but you can't really argue with me on that. Nor do they serve Boston.

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I really think it's southwest's loss that they are missing out on the heart of the largest metro area in the country.

This topic has gone off subject rapidly.


User currently offlineDb373 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

First of all, congrats to WN for the good numbers! Seems like a lot of the airlines had a good June, and it's just the beginning of the busy summer season!

Quoting Rampart (Reply 9):
So, it took all of TWO replies to read something negative about WN (your post, at least that's how it came across, hence my reply) in what the OP introduced as positive news. Do you see your role as the necessary "antichearleader" to keep us level? Or is "getting their market figured out" your version of a positive statement?

-Rampart

The OP introduced positive news, but then decided to tarnish that news by taking a couple swipes at NW. It's difficult to determine whether the OP was trying to congratulate WN (Which is something the OP never said) or whether the OP was trying to take a swipe at NW (Which was the majority of his post). So it's kind of ironic that we're calling his post positive when the majority of it was negative.

And for the record, AA737-823 did congratulate WN for their positive numbers, something you have yet to do. Go figure.....



Keep Delta My Delta
User currently offlineSkyHarborsHome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Summer travel has been brutal lately. 13 of the 14 WN flights I have been on in the past month were booked to cap. Bad for us passengers but good for WN. I was talking to one of the agents at DAL and he said "the cakewalk is over. Ever since they opened up the Wright Amendment a little, we have been slammed." Think he is right too. Every flight I have had in and out has been completely full and that is with 4-on-4.

Will be interesting to see the Q2 revenue numbers.



Fly CHD!
User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
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Db373:

My OP was meant to be positive about SWA....I erred in taking a swipe at NWA....but it frustrates me that they get away with airline pricing murder up there at MSP and I want the day to come when that ends.....but your point is well taken.


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 10):
I really think it's southwest's loss that they are missing out on the heart of the largest metro area in the country.

GK agrees with you. He has said that he definitely wants to have SWA start service to LGA but at this time there are no slots or gates available.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Glad to hear the good news for Southwest.
They are a great airline, that consistently delivers excellent service and treat there employees right...or at least better than most.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting Db373 (Reply 11):
And for the record, AA737-823 did congratulate WN for their positive numbers, something you have yet to do. Go figure.....

Amidst 3 relatively negative statements.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
If they want cheaper fares, they can drive further.



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
That's what Southwest makes them do at Boston, New York, and other places.



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
Hopefully, they're getting their market figured out.

I took that as damning with faint praise. And his statements were misleading. I was more interested in setting the record straight.

I did take the OP's statement about WN's numbers as positive, which he confirms is his intent. I didn't pay much attention to the MSP argument, negative as it might have been, until AA737 entered his rather unnecessary sarcasm.

If you'd like me to also congratulate WN, sure, I'd be happy to, but if that was my only reason to post, it would have been rather frivolous "cheerleading", reaffirming what had been said already, and not adding anything to the discussion. Go figure.

-Rampart


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Quoting Db373 (Reply 11):
AA737-823 did congratulate WN for their positive numbers, something you have yet to do. Go figure.....

Check it! Someone who can read, and then think critically... welcome to my respected user list. My list may be 7.35 years old, but there are very few on it... for a reason.

Quoting N471WN (Reply 13):
ut it frustrates me that they get away with airline pricing murder

Pricing murder (rape? pillage? thievery?) is always aggravating, which is why I so openly welcome Southwest to come to Anchorage, my new home airport. Because I can't get to Luv Field (my old home airport, and most frequent destination) on Southwest anymore.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

1. Congrats to Southwest, it's always good when any airline succeeds (despite what some on this board may believe).
2. As for MSP, most of the major destinations have at least two airlines on them:
- NYC: NW, CO, SY
- LA: NW, SY
- CHI: NW, AA, UA, FL
- PHL: NW, US
- DFW: NW, AA, SY
- MIA: NW, AA, SY (seasonal)
- WAS: NW, SY
- IAH: NW, CO, SY (seasonal)
- DTW: NW only. This is the largest metro area in the U.S. with only one airline serving it from MSP.
- BOS: NW only.
- ATL: NW, DL, FL
- SFO: NW, SY
- Riverside, CA: Nobody flies to ONT non-stop anymore, but PSP is technically in this metro and it's served by NW and SY, both seasonally.
- PHX: NW, US, SY
- SEA: NW, SY
- SAN: NW, SY
- STL: NW, AA
- BWI: NW only.
- PIT: NW only.

So, of the 20 largest metro areas in the U.S., only four are NW monopolies from MSP, although IAH is a SkyTeam monopoly for the warm half of the year. NW only really gets into more price gouging on more mid-market destinations that are only served by NW (places like Billings, or Louisville, or Madison, and so forth), but most of the time these destinations are driving distance from MSP, or they can be served with one-stop itineraries on other airlines (Madison is drivable, Louisville can be served via ORD or CVG, Billings can be served by DEN, etc.) So MSP is in a better situation than is often reported. The one thing WN could provide at MSP is a combination of better service and frequency, which WN usually has. Right now, NW has all the frequency, while SY has much better service but often only one or two flights per day to each city they serve. But for now, WN can grow elsewhere, and I think it will be a while before they move into MSP.


User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Many people in Minnesota is very strong proud and support of NWA. You also notice that many cities in Minnesota are very popular with NW than another airlines. I may be wrong. It would be very difficult to bring SWA into MSP also into another cities ie: NY area is already congested with many airlines so SWA would not want to bring the business there when it would be hard to have 30 mins turnout when NYC area is always delayed and that would not bring a good business to SWA./

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
Face it: Southwest does not serve one of the big three New York airports. Sorry, but you can't really argue with me on that. Nor do they serve Boston.

True, but they serve New York through their codeshare with ATA, right? That means WN passengers can still get to New York with a WN ticket, just not on WN metal.


User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 18):
1. Congrats to Southwest, it's always good when any airline succeeds (despite what some on this board may believe).
2. As for MSP, most of the major destinations have at least two airlines on them:

The same could be said for DEN prior to their entry. A Southwest station at MSP need not have an earthshaking impact, however. They certainly havn't done as much in Detroit as one might have expected......


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 21):
The same could be said for DEN prior to their entry. A Southwest station at MSP need not have an earthshaking impact, however. They certainly havn't done as much in Detroit as one might have expected......

Keep in mind how they went into IAD to just kinda throw a thorn into the side of UA's operations...I could see them doing so in MSP. Just because they may not make $100 million profit a year in MSP doesn't mean they won't enter it...that area is a big hole in their map, and I really think it's the only realistic place to plug it (DSM gets too close to OMA and MCI, and everywhere else is just too small - Grand Forks, Green Bay, etc.)


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 20):
True, but they serve New York through their codeshare with ATA, right?

True. How is that code share doing, though? I'm not convinced it was the greatest hookup... I think they were really only after Hawaii flight access, to tell the truth. But that's just armchair-CEO.

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 21):
A Southwest station at MSP need not have an earthshaking impact, however. They certainly havn't done as much in Detroit as one might have expected......

If they go after NW at DTW and MSP both, I expect a fight. NW has enough on its plate at the moment, but that always seems to be the best time for petty airline fighting... and Southwest rarely loses a good fight.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 23):
True. How is that code share doing, though? I'm not convinced it was the greatest hookup... I think they were really only after Hawaii flight access, to tell the truth. But that's just armchair-CEO.

I think they were after Hawaii too, but, so what? I did the MCI-MDW-LGA roundtrip and the connection from Southwest to ATA in Chicago was really quite fluid - my bags arrived just as planned (well, these days, prayed and hoped) in New York.

Another great thing with how much I fly is that if you have two free Southwest tickets, you can get to Hawaii for free (or at least that's how it was not too long ago, I am assuming it's still the same). Still haven't done it, but I hope to soon.


25 COERJ145 : I'm betting on NW starting DAL-AUS, DAL-HOU, and DAL-SAT with A320s if WN comes to MSP.
26 Cloudy : Southwest does not expand on the basis of ego or for the purpose of hurting competitors. It must have a genuine belief that it can make money in the
27 Queso : I take offense to that facetious remark. Every WN flight I have been on out of MAF has had a good LF. The Midland/Odessa metro area has over 250,000
28 Post contains images AA737-823 : ...which is still just one person per fourteen oil rigs... It would be a bloodbath if NW thought they were up for it. I truly think NW is struggling,
29 Cloudy : Herb offered the codeshare in order to get the deal for ATA's Midway assets and to prevent a competitor from doing the same. Period. If Airtran got t
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