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Emirates Confirmed "No Low-cost For Us"  
User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

Emirates' chief Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum has dismissed rumours that the Dubai carrier plans to launch a budget operation.

"At the moment, we are not growing into the low-cost market," EK chairman said.
To those who said Emirates Express, forget it please  Smile
it seems that he know where to send all those A380s
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index...com_content&view=article&id=495661

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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4319 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
To those who said Emirates Express, forget it please

"At the moment, we are not growing into the low-cost market." [emphasis added]

I don't think his comment necessarily lays any rumors to rest.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13047 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
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From the article:

Quote:

However, Sheikh Ahmed admitted there is now little difference between budget and 'full cost' carrier services.

Unfortunately true in Y.

To me, this means that EK won't have all Y planes for a bit. Now take a step back... Due to the worldwide demand for business class seats (J), they'll keep that section.

Quote:
"It's part of Emirates plan to make Dubai really well connected to more points over the globe."

Ahhh... now we have the real reason. More destinations... Can we interpret that to mean more frequency (better hubbing at DXB/JXB)?  scratchchin 

I also take this little quote to mean that EK will fill up DXB with higher yield passengers. Thus, we'll have to wait for JXB for the LCC operation.

I also have no doubt the 2 year delay in A380 deliveries has crimped EK's plans a bit. They should be operating nearly 10 A380's by now.

Now to see what new bilaterals they can sign...  Wink

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
Emirates' chief Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum has dismissed rumours that the Dubai carrier plans to launch a budget operation.

It's not a rumor if your own company is the one creating the news. EK executives are the ones who first talked about the whole idea. It wasn't something thrust upon them.

So it's not a rumor in any way. It's a business decision.



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
So it's not a rumor in any way. It's a business decision.

But he clarify it now  Smile


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6776 times:

has ek rolled out a timeline for the flat beds in the J cabin on its 777s? will the A345 get them as well?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 6642 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 4):
But he clarify it now

No, actually, they were pretty clear before. They PLANNED on doing it. Now, it sounds like a reversal of course, a business decision leading to a change in direction.

But because they leave some weasel words in there, as quoted above, there is still a chance they will revisit the idea in the future.



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 2):
I also have no doubt the 2 year delay in A380 deliveries has crimped EK's plans a bit. They should be operating nearly 10 A380's by now.

I agree, having just booked a flight from the UK back to Australia for my wife, the DXB to SYD/MEL legs are full for over a two week period. The A380s will make a big difference to this leg.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13047 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6008 times:
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Quoting Ozair (Reply 7):
I agree, having just booked a flight from the UK back to Australia for my wife, the DXB to SYD/MEL legs are full for over a two week period. The A380s will make a big difference to this leg.

Does anyone happen to have a link to the Dubai-Australia bilateral? Thanks in advance.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5):
has ek rolled out a timeline for the flat beds in the J cabin on its 777s? will the A345 get them as well?

maybe 2 to 3 years i guess

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 8):
Does anyone happen to have a link to the Dubai-Australia bilateral?

hmmm it is known that EK is flying from next year 84 flights as they asked, but i dont know EY. But no QF flying DXB and it is not in their radar for the mean time

[Edited 2007-07-05 06:47:34]

User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 7):
having just booked a flight from the UK back to Australia for my wife, the DXB to SYD/MEL legs are full for over a two week period. The A380s will make a big difference to this leg.

If so, how can it be explained that as discussed on the Forum, Tim Clark stated a few weeks ago that even if Airbus could deliver the first A380 Jan/Feb 2008 and the second a few months later, EK would not accept them until October 2008 ??

He justified this saying that the interval to train personnel and to test the Aircraft This, inspite that FLUG REVUE was told by Airbus that Captains and maintenance personnel will be trained in Toulouse already End 2007 and attendants beginning 2008. and of course, if Airbus delivers the aircraft in February, it is implied it will be already tested

We all rememberr that previously, Emirates was stating that each day further delay in deliveries would cost EK a lot of money

By the way, in which class your booking was attempted ??

Comments ??

aminobwana


User currently offlineCrazyHorse From Austria, joined Nov 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Thread starter):
"At the moment, we are not growing into the low-cost market," EK chairman said.
To those who said Emirates Express, forget it please

EK will not operate a low cost division in the near future, but EK had to operate many flights with some very cheap fares to fill their A380. For EK and their pax this is not really bad, the pax will fly to dumping fares and EK could show this new pax, that their service is outstanding and on their next flight this pax will book EK again.
It could work.


User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Quoting CrazyHorse (Reply 11):
EK will not operate a low cost division in the near future, but EK had to operate many flights with some very cheap fares to fill their A380. For EK and their pax this is not really bad, the pax will fly to dumping fares and EK could show this new pax, that their service is outstanding and on their next flight this pax will book EK again.
It could work

You are assuming here several things:

*
That the fare dumpimg, I assume you refer to the low end economy class, will not be matched by other, lets say at least SQ and QR
*
that the service within such a gigantic enviroment will be better at ER
*
that this type of pax, which accept the inconveniences of lay overs and longer trip times, care for much else than the price, and next time, if the price is not more the promotional, will accept to pay more

aminobwana


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 12):
that the service within such a gigantic enviroment will be better at ER

I think EK now seem to have a problem in the staffing as the airline has grown so big so quickly that there has become inconsistency in the inflight service .. The bigger and faster the airline grows the harder it is too keep standards to a certain level ... Also just how many types of business class seats are there on EK !!! EK is a great airline but its grown so quick that some of its product has not kept up .. As in any big airline it takes time to renovate a fleet .. This is where the smaller airlines may actually benefit by being able to be nimble and do things quickly where EK along with many other big major airlines will take longer to impliment things fleet wide ..



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

I suspect that he fears a price war among the emerging lo-cost l/h carriers, similar to the situation among european carriers. There will also be a degree of cannibalising the normal Emirates economy class. I dont think we should dismiss the possibility of Emirates No Frills in the long term.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30928 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4711 times:
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The 600+ seat two-class configuration they're planning for at least some of the fleet will enable them to act like an LCC/LFC (Low Fare Carrier), so it's probably just semantics...  Smile

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10):
If so, how can it be explained that as discussed on the Forum, Tim Clark stated a few weeks ago that even if Airbus could deliver the first A380 Jan/Feb 2008 and the second a few months later, EK would not accept them until October 2008?

DXB-SIN/MEL is a longer stage length then SIN-SYD, so I imagine that even if he had two birds, he could only do a single flight each direction and if one of them had a mechanical on either end, they'd suddenly have ~450 people stranded that they needed to accommodate on other carriers or scramble to get additional lift out to bring them home, disrupting other operations.

So I expect they do not want to launch services to LHR and SYD until they have at least a half-dozen A388s in the fleet, so I can see them interested in deferring deliveries until they can get that many "in a row", so to speak.


User currently offlineEKSkycargo370 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Thank god,is all I can say,this would have seriously tarnished our reputation.I would hate to be working for a company likened to such carriers like Ryanair,Easyjet etc.

User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The 600+ seat two-class configuration they're planning for at least some of the fleet will enable them to act like an LCC/LFC (Low Fare Carrier), so it's probably just semantics...

Agreed. 10-abreast coach on 777s is a budget operation.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30928 posts, RR: 87
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
So I expect they do not want to launch services to LHR and SYD until they have at least a half-dozen A388s in the fleet, so I can see them interested in deferring deliveries until they can get that many "in a row", so to speak.

I need to revise my remarks. WINGS was nice enough to provide me with Clark's actual quote in another thread, where he noted he'd take the A388s in early 2008 if Airbus was ready, but he'd use them for crew training and familiarization instead of putting them immediately into service. This way, when the next set of planes start coming, he can put them into service quicker.

So what I thought was an actual deferment ("I won't take them before October even if they were ready earlier"), was actually just a desire to keep to the scheduled service launch in October, but using the planes earlier arrival to help train crews to speed up the EIS of the follow-on frames.


User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

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Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
DXB-SIN/MEL is a longer stage length then SIN-SYD, so I imagine that even if he had two birds, he could only do a single flight each direction and if one of them had a mechanical on either end, they'd suddenly have ~450 people stranded that they needed to accommodate on other carriers or scramble to get additional lift out to bring them home, disrupting other operations.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 18):
I need to revise my remarks. WINGS was nice enough to provide me with Clark's actual quote in another thread, where he noted he'd take the A388s in early 2008 if Airbus was ready, but he'd use them for crew training and familiarization instead of putting them immediately into service. This way, when the next set of planes start coming, he can put them into service quicker.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 2):
I also have no doubt the 2 year delay in A380 deliveries has crimped EK's plans a bit. They should be operating nearly 10 A380's by now.

So what I thought was an actual deferment ("I won't take them before October even if they were ready earlier"), was actually just a desire to keep to the scheduled service launch in October, but using the planes earlier arrival to help train crews to speed up the EIS of the follow-on frames.

I referred in my former message to the same as WINGS provided you. But the same arguments would apply even more for SQ, which plans to initiate service with only the MSN 3

I read an post in the Forum (I do not find it now, was it eventually deleted ?), where it was stated that EK, even without any E380 flying, is not keeping their personnel capabilities pari passu with their expansion, with a certain deterioration
of the service. This could be a reason, but obviously Tim Clark was aware of this when he urged Airbus to deliver a.s.a.p.

What would have happened with the "keeping pace" problems if Airbus had no problems and by now Emirates would operate 10 A380s ??

But anyhow, deferring the initiation of A380 operations is not the way an airline which needs the capacity acts !! And I recall what AIRBUS stated to FLUG REVIEW (July edition) that the EK flying personnel will be trained by early 2008,

aminobwana






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[Edited 2007-07-05 18:55:35]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30928 posts, RR: 87
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3145 times:
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Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 19):
I referred in my former message to the same as WINGS provided you. But the same arguments would apply even more for SQ, which plans to initiate service with only the MSN 3

But SQ can fly an A388 from SIN to SYD and back to SIN in a "day". I am not sure EK can do that from DXB.

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 19):
I read an post in the Forum (I do not find it now, was it eventually deleted ?), where it was stated that EK, even without any E380 flying, is not keeping their personnel capabilities pari passu with their expansion, with a certain deterioration of the service...What would have happened with the "keeping pace" problems if Airbus had no problems and by now Emirates would operate 10 A380s ??

They would not have ordered and leased additional 777-300ERs last year...


User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 10):
By the way, in which class your booking was attempted ??

Booking was in Y, in the end we got a seat on the non-stop leg which is a plus.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
DXB-SIN/MEL is a longer stage length then SIN-SYD

If I remember correct the A380s for the SYD/MEL routes will have 510 seats for direct flights. I think we will see these replace the current A345 services and the 77W services will stay, unless demand for the one stop routes also increase. The J class is continually booked weeks in advance and some extra J seats would really reap the revenue.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 17):
10-abreast coach on 777s is a budget operation.

Having flown the EK 77W numerous times I actually enjoy the 10-abreast, the extra legroom more than compensates for the closer neighbour.

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 19):
What would have happened with the "keeping pace" problems if Airbus had no problems and by now Emirates would operate 10 A380s ??



Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
They would not have ordered and leased additional 777-300ERs last year...

EK expands in a very funny way, perhaps we would have seen expanded USA service earlier? The additional 77W would have come anyway, it's the perfect sized aircraft for them.


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