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Future A330-200F Orders  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

I wonder would anybody like to have a guess as to which airlines will be next to place an order for the A330-200F. One that sticks out in my mind is Emirates Skycargo (as an A310F replacement). I think we will see the chinese carriers ordering the aircraft also.

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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

FedEx is the best candidate, they operate many Airbus freighters and DHL.

Singapore Airlines could be, Cathay pacific is operating some 330 already, also Aeroflot could be.


User currently offlineOlle From Sweden, joined Feb 2007, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4784 times:

When will 330s start be converted to frighters? 5 years from now?

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4738 times:

Quoting Olle (Reply 2):
When will 330s start be converted to frighters? 5 years from now?

The A330-200F is a new-build programme launched recently. Ther are no plans at the moment to launch a conversion programme for the A330, but there is a company considering launching a conversion programme for the A340-300.


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
Singapore Airlines could be

IMO, since the A330 fleet that Singapore will be operating is on lease until the A350 arrives, it may make more sense (fleet commonality and pilot training) to order the B777f as they will still have lots of 777s in operation for years to come.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 4):
IMO, since the A330 fleet that Singapore will be operating is on lease until the A350 arrives, it may make more sense (fleet commonality and pilot training) to order the B777f as they will still have lots of 777s in operation for years to come.

But the 777s will be replaced with the 787 and A350. I think SQ will eventually convert the remaining 747-400's to freighters, with th whole 747-400 fleet being replaced with a mix of 777-300ER, A380 and eventually A350-1000.


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
But the 777s will be replaced with the 787 and A350.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
747-400 fleet being replaced with a mix of 777-300ER

The 772s and 773s (non-ER) will be replaced but the 77W won't be, hence you still have some commanility with the existing fleet.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 6):
The 772s and 773s (non-ER) will be replaced but the 77W won't be, hence you still have some commanility with the existing fleet.

The 77W's might stay abit after the A350s arrival, but as they gradually will leave the fleet, I doubt that will affect the choice of freighters that much.
On the other hand, doesn't 777F offers much better fuel economics than old converted 747-400s?
And the same for A330Fs??

Regarding the A330s, I think they will fit well in SQ's network here, as there are alot of destinations that doesn't need the range of either 77W/787/A350. Wouldn't surprise me too much if SQ will extend the lease for the A330s some years. They are a perfect plane for flying to CGK, BKK , MNL etc.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6957 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
I think we will see the chinese carriers ordering the aircraft also.

Agreed but...

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
There are no plans at the moment to launch a conversion programme for the A330

Didn't I read somewhere very recently that China Southern are going to convert some or all of their six A330-200s to freighters? They're almost brand new (2005-2007 deliveries) so it seemed odd but I believe that's the plan. Seems to me they'd do better ordering A330Fs.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
Didn't I read somewhere very recently that China Southern are going to convert some or all of their six A330-200s to freighters? They're almost brand new (2005-2007 deliveries) so it seemed odd but I believe that's the plan. Seems to me they'd do better ordering A330Fs.

It seems more then odd to me!!!
They are still taking delivery of new A333s so can't imagine that they will convert them in the near future.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6957 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):
They are still taking delivery of new A333s so can't imagine that they will convert them in the near future.

The plan was to keep the 333s as pax but convert the 332s. I'll see if I can trace the link...


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31239 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4507 times:
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I imagine any carrier operating a 767F, an A300/A310F or a very early DC-10F would be a candidate for an A330-200F.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6957 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
I'll see if I can trace the link...

Got it.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=9204

Wednesday June 13, 2007
China Southern Airlines has outlined its strategy to seize a greater share of the international cargo market. It will begin by converting six A330 passenger aircraft into freighters over the next two years.

Strange (very!) but apparently true...


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Thanks PM.
Can just agree. Strange move.
But AFAIK they only have 5 (or 6 if the last is delivered by now) A332s in their fleet.
Why buy a brand new plane and the pay for the conversion within 2 years? It beats me!!
The A332 should fit perfect into their pax fleet.
Would make much more sense to convert their older 757s into freighters and keep the new A332.



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Maybe EY will take 1 or 2, i am just guessing
EK, not now they just ordered 10 748F, does anyone know when they will start receiving them?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6957 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 14):
Maybe EY will take 1 or 2, i am just guessing

Good guess. They ordered 3 at Paris!

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 13):
But AFAIK they only have 5 (or 6 if the last is delivered by now) A332s in their fleet.

The sixth was delivered just a matter of weeks ago. They'll take their 8 A333s this year and next.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 13):
Why buy a brand new plane and the pay for the conversion within 2 years? It beats me!!

You and me both...  Confused

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 13):
The A332 should fit perfect into their pax fleet.

Indeed. And I assume that's why they bought them.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 14):
Maybe EY will take 1 or 2, i am just guessing

EY just ordered 3 A330-200F at Paris Air Show.
If you didnt know that, your forecast was very accurate.  Wink

[Edited 2007-07-05 07:18:49]


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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Once the Boeing 787 comes in , CZ will then used the A330s as frighters.

I will certainly like to see the A332F in EK and SQ colors but whether that will happen, it's hard to say especially SQ.



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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
Didn't I read somewhere very recently that China Southern are going to convert some or all of their six A330-200s to freighters?



Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Got it.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story....=9204

It appears you remembered correctly but the link provided quotes the wrong aircraft. China Southern are converting A300-600 in Guangzhou with FSI (who previously held the A300B4-200 conversion STC). The first aircraft is in the jigs.

As for the A330-200F, I see Asian carriers ordering for intra-Asia. There is alot of belly capacity that makes it harder for very large freighters to operate within Asia. There is a trend towards introducing mid-sized freighters like 767 and A300 (Galaxy, JAL, ANA, China Southern, China Eastern...) and the A330F should find its spot.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6957 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 18):
It appears you remembered correctly but the link provided quotes the wrong aircraft. China Southern are converting A300-600

Ah, that makes much more sense. I should have thought of that myself - and, yes, they have 6 A300-600s as well as 6 A330-200s. Phew, so I might yet get to fly on a CZ A332 with RR!


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Can't NW be a potential A330F operator? They have both a big A330 pax fleet and also a cargo division.
Are NWs cargo routes too long and heavy for the A330F? Can they make it via Anchorage to Asia?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6957 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 20):
Can't NW be a potential A330F operator?

Yes. Probably a good bet.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Wednesday June 13, 2007
China Southern Airlines has outlined its strategy to seize a greater share of the international cargo market. It will begin by converting six A330 passenger aircraft into freighters over the next two years.

Strange (very!) but apparently true...



Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 18):
It appears you remembered correctly but the link provided quotes the wrong aircraft.

That was my first thought.


Its also known that Airbus are talking to some carriers about an A330-300F.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

PM,

Deffo the 6xAirbus A300B4-622R are being converted by B/E's Flight Structures, delivers should be soonish.

The A330 would be a similar process to the A300, the only noticeable big difference is the nose gear.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 23):
PM,

Deffo the 6xAirbus A300B4-622R are being converted by B/E's Flight Structures, delivers should be soonish.

The A330 would be a similar process to the A300, the only noticeable big difference is the nose gear.

Would a converted A330 be at a serious risk of up-ending without the nose gear mod?


25 Stitch : Has Airbus released any speculative performance and payload figures?
26 Moo : I wouldnt have thought so since the gear mod actually raises the nose anyway, so if anything it would be more likely to up-end with the mod than with
27 PM : I don't think that's the problem. Doesn't it have more to do with needing a horizontal cargo deck so that you aren't pushing palletes uphill?!
28 Post contains images EI321 : Not that I know of, in fact I dont even think they have released any official press releases on it. I was referring to the remarks made at one of the
29 Post contains images UAEflyer : I really didn't know about it, thank you for the information
30 EBJ1248650 : Would Fed Ex be a likely candidate for these planes? They're already using the MD-11; don't know that they use the 747; at least I don't believe they
31 Stitch : FX did buy 15 77Fs because that gave them the same volume as their original 10 A388Fs as well as the same range. I can see them as an A333F carrier i
32 Trex8 : PVG-ANC is 3700nm, it would be cutting it close on the westbound for the A332F.
33 A342 : Maybe, but westbound, there's less payload anyway, right?
34 Stitch : I would not be surprised if they went to PVG pretty empty...
35 Trex8 : CI would be a good candidate for A332Fs given the size of its cargo operations. Running a 744F to PEN with a stop in HAN can't be the most effective u
36 Flying-Tiger : Still something I´m not able to understand. Per my understanding there can´t be such a big difference in the A330-200F engines compared to the A330
37 NorCal : I'm a little late to this thread, but I have to say that so far I have been stunned by the A330-200F's success (and the continued success of the A330
38 PM : I'm kind of with you. Airbus have talked for several years about an A332F but kept putting it off. This implied that they weren't sure there was a bu
39 Stitch : New widebody freighter sales remain strong - see the 767F, 777F, 747F and now the A330F - which I expect is in part driven by airlines holding on to t
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