EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4369 times:
I wonder would anybody like to have a guess as to which airlines will be next to place an order for the A330-200F. One that sticks out in my mind is Emirates Skycargo (as an A310F replacement). I think we will see the chinese carriers ordering the aircraft also.
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
Quoting Olle (Reply 2): When will 330s start be converted to frighters? 5 years from now?
The A330-200F is a new-build programme launched recently. Ther are no plans at the moment to launch a conversion programme for the A330, but there is a company considering launching a conversion programme for the A340-300.
IMO, since the A330 fleet that Singapore will be operating is on lease until the A350 arrives, it may make more sense (fleet commonality and pilot training) to order the B777f as they will still have lots of 777s in operation for years to come.
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3966 times:
Quoting HanginOut (Reply 4): IMO, since the A330 fleet that Singapore will be operating is on lease until the A350 arrives, it may make more sense (fleet commonality and pilot training) to order the B777f as they will still have lots of 777s in operation for years to come.
But the 777s will be replaced with the 787 and A350. I think SQ will eventually convert the remaining 747-400's to freighters, with th whole 747-400 fleet being replaced with a mix of 777-300ER, A380 and eventually A350-1000.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3873 times:
Quoting HanginOut (Reply 6): The 772s and 773s (non-ER) will be replaced but the 77W won't be, hence you still have some commanility with the existing fleet.
The 77W's might stay abit after the A350s arrival, but as they gradually will leave the fleet, I doubt that will affect the choice of freighters that much.
On the other hand, doesn't 777F offers much better fuel economics than old converted 747-400s?
And the same for A330Fs??
Regarding the A330s, I think they will fit well in SQ's network here, as there are alot of destinations that doesn't need the range of either 77W/787/A350. Wouldn't surprise me too much if SQ will extend the lease for the A330s some years. They are a perfect plane for flying to CGK, BKK , MNL etc.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): I think we will see the chinese carriers ordering the aircraft also.
Agreed but...
Quoting EI321 (Reply 3): There are no plans at the moment to launch a conversion programme for the A330
Didn't I read somewhere very recently that China Southern are going to convert some or all of their six A330-200s to freighters? They're almost brand new (2005-2007 deliveries) so it seemed odd but I believe that's the plan. Seems to me they'd do better ordering A330Fs.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3846 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 8): Didn't I read somewhere very recently that China Southern are going to convert some or all of their six A330-200s to freighters? They're almost brand new (2005-2007 deliveries) so it seemed odd but I believe that's the plan. Seems to me they'd do better ordering A330Fs.
It seems more then odd to me!!!
They are still taking delivery of new A333s so can't imagine that they will convert them in the near future.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26698 posts, RR: 83 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
I imagine any carrier operating a 767F, an A300/A310F or a very early DC-10F would be a candidate for an A330-200F.
Wednesday June 13, 2007 China Southern Airlines has outlined its strategy to seize a greater share of the international cargo market. It will begin by converting six A330 passenger aircraft into freighters over the next two years.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3779 times:
Thanks PM.
Can just agree. Strange move.
But AFAIK they only have 5 (or 6 if the last is delivered by now) A332s in their fleet.
Why buy a brand new plane and the pay for the conversion within 2 years? It beats me!!
The A332 should fit perfect into their pax fleet.
Would make much more sense to convert their older 757s into freighters and keep the new A332.
UAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 903 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3766 times:
Maybe EY will take 1 or 2, i am just guessing
EK, not now they just ordered 10 748F, does anyone know when they will start receiving them?
It appears you remembered correctly but the link provided quotes the wrong aircraft. China Southern are converting A300-600 in Guangzhou with FSI (who previously held the A300B4-200 conversion STC). The first aircraft is in the jigs.
As for the A330-200F, I see Asian carriers ordering for intra-Asia. There is alot of belly capacity that makes it harder for very large freighters to operate within Asia. There is a trend towards introducing mid-sized freighters like 767 and A300 (Galaxy, JAL, ANA, China Southern, China Eastern...) and the A330F should find its spot.
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 65 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3597 times:
Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 18): It appears you remembered correctly but the link provided quotes the wrong aircraft. China Southern are converting A300-600
Ah, that makes much more sense. I should have thought of that myself - and, yes, they have 6 A300-600s as well as 6 A330-200s. Phew, so I might yet get to fly on a CZ A332 with RR!
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Can't NW be a potential A330F operator? They have both a big A330 pax fleet and also a cargo division.
Are NWs cargo routes too long and heavy for the A330F? Can they make it via Anchorage to Asia?
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 12): Wednesday June 13, 2007
China Southern Airlines has outlined its strategy to seize a greater share of the international cargo market. It will begin by converting six A330 passenger aircraft into freighters over the next two years.
Strange (very!) but apparently true...
Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 18): It appears you remembered correctly but the link provided quotes the wrong aircraft.
That was my first thought.
Its also known that Airbus are talking to some carriers about an A330-300F.
Deffo the 6xAirbus A300B4-622R are being converted by B/E's Flight Structures, delivers should be soonish.
The A330 would be a similar process to the A300, the only noticeable big difference is the nose gear.
Would a converted A330 be at a serious risk of up-ending without the nose gear mod?
25 Stitch: Has Airbus released any speculative performance and payload figures?
26 Moo: I wouldnt have thought so since the gear mod actually raises the nose anyway, so if anything it would be more likely to up-end with the mod than with
27 PM: I don't think that's the problem. Doesn't it have more to do with needing a horizontal cargo deck so that you aren't pushing palletes uphill?!
28 EI321: Not that I know of, in fact I dont even think they have released any official press releases on it. I was referring to the remarks made at one of the
29 UAEflyer: I really didn't know about it, thank you for the information
30 EBJ1248650: Would Fed Ex be a likely candidate for these planes? They're already using the MD-11; don't know that they use the 747; at least I don't believe they
31 Stitch: FX did buy 15 77Fs because that gave them the same volume as their original 10 A388Fs as well as the same range. I can see them as an A333F carrier i
32 Trex8: PVG-ANC is 3700nm, it would be cutting it close on the westbound for the A332F.
33 A342: Maybe, but westbound, there's less payload anyway, right?
34 Stitch: I would not be surprised if they went to PVG pretty empty...
35 Trex8: CI would be a good candidate for A332Fs given the size of its cargo operations. Running a 744F to PEN with a stop in HAN can't be the most effective u
36 Flying-Tiger: Still something I´m not able to understand. Per my understanding there can´t be such a big difference in the A330-200F engines compared to the A330
37 NorCal: I'm a little late to this thread, but I have to say that so far I have been stunned by the A330-200F's success (and the continued success of the A330
38 PM: I'm kind of with you. Airbus have talked for several years about an A332F but kept putting it off. This implied that they weren't sure there was a bu
39 Stitch: New widebody freighter sales remain strong - see the 767F, 777F, 747F and now the A330F - which I expect is in part driven by airlines holding on to t
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