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AA Adds FLL/SJO And FLL/SDQ  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

FLLSJO and FLLSDQ daily starting December 2007. It's on! 

[Edited 2007-07-05 16:46:49]


E pur si muove -Galileo
51 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Wow. Certainly didn't expect that!  Wink Along with the London announcements, can we expect any more additional press releases from AA today? This certainly has been a big day for them.

User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

AA tried international flying out of FLL a while back (CCS/PAP), CCS got canned...PAP still goes...and so the SJU dailies. Not sure if AA can compete w/Spirit's lower operating costs. AA's strength is MIA not FLL. Rumor from AA pilots is that AA will try A300s from FLL-SJU and FLL-PAP to offer more seats and lower fares to fight Spirit's expansion. Let's see how that goes.

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

So Spirit did get their attention....their response is probably too little to late....


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

AA is not trying to compete, they are just trying to hurt Spirit. This is an unfair game.

User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Are there any DFW announcements..there are a coupel of cuts expected out of there....CCS for sure...


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2):
PAP still goes...

It's getting upgraded to a widebody at the end of the year as well.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

So now we will have NK, DL and AA flying to SDQ from FLL....let see who is first to backout now...  box 


Belize my home sweet home...
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Is DL still planning on diving further into the FLL-Latin America market?

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2):
Not sure if AA can compete w/Spirit's lower operating costs.

But they sure as hell can compete with AAdvantage and more baggage allowance, the latter being important to some Latin American customers, especially from the Dominican Republic. Being nickel and dimed on Spirit just to get a cheap ticket might end up costing those people more than flying AA, and they know that.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
AA is not trying to compete, they are just trying to hurt Spirit. This is an unfair game.

I think AA is trying to compete, maintain it's passenger base and also put some hurt on Spirit. I am surprised that it has taken this long for AA to step up and protect it's huge S. Florida market.

Is it unfair for AA to respond to competition? Not in my opinion.

Is it unfair for NK to fly FLL-SJO for rock bottom prices? Not in my opinion.

It is a free market. Consumers will vote with their pocket books.

MIA and FLL are basically the same place and they serve basically the same local market. Spirt's nine dollar fares out of FLL put a major hurt on AA up at MIA.

I think FLL-SDQ is a route that can work and I imagine it will be successful and stay around.

I think FLL-SJO is more of a NK buster flight and is probably only temporary.

Are these new flights going to be in addition to the current MIA-SDQ and MIA-SJO flights or will some of the capacity be shifted from MIA?

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2):
AA tried international flying out of FLL a while back (CCS/PAP), CCS got canned...PAP still goes.

AA also tried FLL-SDQ before, which was also canned.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 10):
Are these new flights going to be in addition to the current MIA-SDQ and MIA-SJO flights or will some of the capacity be shifted from MIA?

These are additional services. They do not replace any MIA flying. AA is also studying FLL-KIN, FLL-POS, and FLL-MGA.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 10):

Is it unfair for AA to respond to competition? Not in my opinion.

Is it unfair for NK to fly FLL-SJO for rock bottom prices? Not in my opinion.

It is a free market. Consumers will vote with their pocket books.

That is true, AA has the right to compete with NK. But, they should not engage an all-out fare war. A war to the death would inevitably result in NK's death.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
AA also tried FLL-SDQ before, which was also canned.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
These are additional services. They do not replace any MIA flying. AA is also studying FLL-KIN, FLL-POS, and FLL-MGA.

Yes. I remember when AA initially started the FLL build up to compete with LCC competition.

After a few years it was decided that AA could better compete with the LCCs at FLL from the hub at MIA and services were moved back to MIA and fares from MIA were lowered in line with fares from FLL.

If what you are saying is correct (and I do not doubt that it is), it looks like AA is looking at building up FLL again.

Do you think there will be any additional domestic flights added to FLL?

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 13):
Do you think there will be any additional domestic flights added to FLL?

Other than an increase in FLL-LGA and the return of FLL-STL, no, I doubt it.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
That is true, AA has the right to compete with NK. But, they should not engage an all-out fare war. A war to the death would inevitably result in NK's death.

Well so far AA has just added flights in two of their most important markets from S. Florida.

I think NK is setting the low fares in these markets. AA will probably match them. So if this becomes a deadly fare war (a la Go in Hawaii) then NK would be responsible.

Personally, I am surprised AA has waited this long to respond.

On a side note, I think the NK aircraft look much better in blue than in black. Are those the only two colors they are using in their scheme. That seems to be all I see when I pass by FLL on I-95.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

This recalls the days of 767s on DFW-MCI.

Between AA and DL, I have a feeling that Spirit may not be around for very long.


User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 16):
Between AA and DL, I have a feeling that Spirit may not be around for very long.

I believe DL is going to be the loser here. They need to adjust their departure time from FLL. The current time does not allow for any connections.



DCA
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 17):

I believe DL is going to be the loser here. They need to adjust their departure time from FLL. The current time does not allow for any connections.

They don't care. This flight is purely for O&D. Connections are welcome via Atlanta.

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 16):

Between AA and DL, I have a feeling that Spirit may not be around for very long.

Delta will be the loser here. NK will do just fine. They have a ridiculously loyal following on FLL-SDQ. They have flown it foralmost three years now, and operate four daily flights.

It also needs to be remebered that not only is AA going after NK, but they are going after Delta. Delta has been looking at expanding into Latin America from MIA and/or FLL, and it is a pretty poorly kept secret if you ask the AA employees at MIA.



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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Great news, just that I am starting to get scared on how the hell SJO is going to do by the end of 2007 in capacity, already theres like 6 more flights/frequencies set from now to the end of the year, plus more transatlantic service probably coming in as well. May I remind you we only have 5 gates + 6 spots and then the Remote Ramp with capacity for around 6-7 parking spaces and right now, even in low season, we are getting a lot of traffic, high season is going to be caos! I really hope the DGAC takes over the airport from Alterra which is doing completely nothing at the moment and for the last 2-3 years.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19):
Great news, just that I am starting to get scared on how the hell SJO is going to do by the end of 2007 in capacity, already theres like 6 more flights/frequencies set from now to the end of the year, plus more transatlantic service probably coming in as well. May I remind you we only have 5 gates + 6 spots and then the Remote Ramp with capacity for around 6-7 parking spaces and right now, even in low season, we are getting a lot of traffic, high season is going to be caos!

Which leads me to the question whether this capacity constraint may even lead to drastic measures such as slot restrictions. SJO is tight enough as it is, and with more frequencies (most likely with narrowbody equipment) from the likes of AA and DL, maybe they should start thinking about sending more widebodies into SJO instead, and I'm not talking about something small like an AB6, but rather 767 sized equipment. CO does that every now and then, and sends on those occasions a 753 or even a 764 down here on their IAH flight to cope with capacity demands. I'm sure DL could have a few 763As for this purpose to spare (they even send -300ERs on very rare occasions). SJO is a high demand market and could justify having one or two flights, even if only from MIA, with a 767, but the airport itself makes it a pain to operate, not just with the capacity and parking space issue but also with the obstacle clearance problems that restricts twinjets, especially the ones on DE's service to FRA.

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19):
I really hope the DGAC takes over the airport from Alterra which is doing completely nothing at the moment and for the last 2-3 years.

Even if DGAC, or more specifically CETAC, takes over SJO, they'll have one hell of a mess to deal with. And even when they cleared things up and got the construction back on track, there's still the chance that the airport operating concession may fall back into the hands of a private company like Alterra which may cause some uncertainty again once things start going wrong.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
and I'm not talking about something small like an AB6, but rather 767 sized equipment.

AA sends their largest aircraft, in terms of passenger capacity, on all three daily MIA-SJO flights. AA's A300s seat 267 passengers, compared to 245 in the 772s and 219 in the 767s.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
AA sends their largest aircraft, in terms of passenger capacity, on all three daily MIA-SJO flights. AA's A300s seat 267 passengers, compared to 245 in the 772s and 219 in the 767s.

I forgot about AA having their AB6s configured in a very high density configuration. I stand corrected, however my point still stands for DL and CO, who I'm sure they have some major equipment to spare, like 763A and 753s respectively. As for MIA-SJO, I frequently saw 757s and even 738s coming down from MIA, along with the AB6. How many times a year and for how long do they make MIA-SJO an all A300 operation, or is that more of a case of the service being permanently EQV?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
How many times a year and for how long do they make MIA-SJO an all A300 operation, or is that more of a case of the service being

Year-round, 3x daily A300 for about 18 months now.



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User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

As LTU932 correctly says, DL and CO are perfectly in shape to make such a change, there is something quite nasty about seeing CO1485, CO1490, CO1530 & CO1446 depart to IAH on Saturday with all 738 equipment. Thats just riddiculous to me, specially that the last three flights are no more than an hour difference, and they could easliy could do double 753 service a day (like in the high season) and eliminate two flights.

Same case with DL, three flights a day from ATL and already 752, why not reduce it to 2 daily domestic 763?

BTW, back to the new routes, any idea what the equipment will be?

Regards,
Tomas.


25 MAH4546 : Schedules: AA 717 FLL 0730-1030 SDQ 738 Daily AA 718 SDQ 1135-1300 FLL738 Daily AA 2113 FLL 1430-1620 SJO 738 Daily AA 2112 SJO 1725-2115 FLL 738 Dail
26 Sflaflight : Wow, didn't expect this! ...and this is why MAH has been screaming (like me to) to combine FLL and MIA as one market as far as numbers. This just goes
27 Dutchjet : I agree, AA is protecting is trying to protect its position in the very profitable South FLorida-Latin America/Caribbean market. AA is the dominant a
28 MAH4546 : AA returned their FLL-CCS authority back to DOT. They are probably kicking themselves right now, because Spirit would kill for FLL-CCS (they have app
29 Dutchjet : Good points....I fear that due the political climate between the US and Venzuela, Spirit will be waiting a very long time for its FLL-CCS application
30 TACAA320 : Just great. Two options [ NK AA ] to skip MIA!
31 MAH4546 : Delta might have already thrown in the towel. FLL-SDQ is no longer bookable on delta.com.
32 Dutchjet : Very interesting indeed.........keep us updated, as the implications of this move by DL could be huge.
33 DeltAirlines : Last date the flight is in the reservation system is September 5. Can't say I'm shocked - don't really see the new Delta letting an unprofitable rout
34 LGA777 : When AA did FLL-SDQ last time their loads where fairly weak from what I understand. While demamd from MIA/FLL to SDQ is strong NYC-SDQ is stronger IMO
35 MAH4546 : MIA/FLL-SDQ is actually a slightly larger market. While NYC has a larger Dominican community, Dominicans in Miami come largely from Santo Domingo, wh
36 Dutchjet : huh? The New Delta just added the FLL-SDQ route to its system and decided to go head-to-head with NK on the route......and the route was rumored to b
37 MAH4546 : It's a mix bag. Merida is being discontinued, as was Ixtapa. Hermosillio is gone soon, too. San Pedro Sula is doing so poorly, it might be downgraded
38 FlyPNS1 : Actually, I think DL has just about maxed out their Latin American growth from ATL. They've got all the primary and secondary routes covered. The ter
39 MAH4546 : Also to note about the FLL changes, the A300 scheduled for FLL-PAP-FLL originates in FLL and returns to FLL. They are obviously not going to have that
40 Sflaflight : Makes sense to me. I see FLL-SJU as a great AB3 route. You guys can correct me if you think I'm wrong, but lately I get the feeling (and again, this
41 Dutchjet : Its so hard to generalize.....but the huge growth of JetBlue on the BOS-FLL and JFK/LGA/EWR-FLL routes has certainly impacted DL; DL ruled on these r
42 FlyPNS1 : I can't say for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if DL's reputation has taken a hit. They've been kind of shizophrenic in regards to FLL over the
43 Tomascubero : I have noticed this too, spotter-wise. Back in 2005 in 3 hours you would see around 3 767-400, a couple of 757-200 and even the occassional 737-200/8
44 2travel2know : Or flying to MGA 3pm and KIN 9pm (arriving FLL 8am)
45 Yellowtail : Going to a CRJ on San Pedro Sula might be what that route needs to survive and nuture. Agreed..but they are still going from daily to 1Xweekly Sept t
46 PRAirbus : FLL-PAP will be flown on AB6 starting DEC/07. Departing FLL around 9AM and returning at 2PM...wonder where that AB6 will come from and where will it g
47 Dutchjet : Here is your answer: SJU is another market that can support the A300 out of FLL.......in the coming weeks, schedules will be updated.
48 Post contains links Njdevilsin03 : http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...363.story?coll=sfla-business-front In a move to check fast-expanding Spirit Airlines, American said it will fly
49 PRAirbus : Here's the answer from AA website. A300's to SJU & PAP from FLL in DEC/07. ---AA'S FLL SERVICE TO EXPAND IN DECEMBER 2007--- American Airlines will bo
50 Sflaflight : Hah!!! Our customers have been asking for. Yeah right! Had it not been for NK, the service would have never started. Ahh, the good ole AA Spin. Sound
51 Commavia : While it is true that AA is doing this in response to Spirit, I also think that if there was a ever a high-density cargo/passenger route that could w
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