PRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3747 times:
AA tried international flying out of FLL a while back (CCS/PAP), CCS got canned...PAP still goes...and so the SJU dailies. Not sure if AA can compete w/Spirit's lower operating costs. AA's strength is MIA not FLL. Rumor from AA pilots is that AA will try A300s from FLL-SJU and FLL-PAP to offer more seats and lower fares to fight Spirit's expansion. Let's see how that goes.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2): Not sure if AA can compete w/Spirit's lower operating costs.
But they sure as hell can compete with AAdvantage and more baggage allowance, the latter being important to some Latin American customers, especially from the Dominican Republic. Being nickel and dimed on Spirit just to get a cheap ticket might end up costing those people more than flying AA, and they know that.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 17):
I believe DL is going to be the loser here. They need to adjust their departure time from FLL. The current time does not allow for any connections.
They don't care. This flight is purely for O&D. Connections are welcome via Atlanta.
Quoting 28thguy (Reply 16):
Between AA and DL, I have a feeling that Spirit may not be around for very long.
Delta will be the loser here. NK will do just fine. They have a ridiculously loyal following on FLL-SDQ. They have flown it foralmost three years now, and operate four daily flights.
It also needs to be remebered that not only is AA going after NK, but they are going after Delta. Delta has been looking at expanding into Latin America from MIA and/or FLL, and it is a pretty poorly kept secret if you ask the AA employees at MIA.
Tomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 521 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2726 times:
Great news, just that I am starting to get scared on how the hell SJO is going to do by the end of 2007 in capacity, already theres like 6 more flights/frequencies set from now to the end of the year, plus more transatlantic service probably coming in as well. May I remind you we only have 5 gates + 6 spots and then the Remote Ramp with capacity for around 6-7 parking spaces and right now, even in low season, we are getting a lot of traffic, high season is going to be caos! I really hope the DGAC takes over the airport from Alterra which is doing completely nothing at the moment and for the last 2-3 years.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2674 times:
Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19): Great news, just that I am starting to get scared on how the hell SJO is going to do by the end of 2007 in capacity, already theres like 6 more flights/frequencies set from now to the end of the year, plus more transatlantic service probably coming in as well. May I remind you we only have 5 gates + 6 spots and then the Remote Ramp with capacity for around 6-7 parking spaces and right now, even in low season, we are getting a lot of traffic, high season is going to be caos!
Which leads me to the question whether this capacity constraint may even lead to drastic measures such as slot restrictions. SJO is tight enough as it is, and with more frequencies (most likely with narrowbody equipment) from the likes of AA and DL, maybe they should start thinking about sending more widebodies into SJO instead, and I'm not talking about something small like an AB6, but rather 767 sized equipment. CO does that every now and then, and sends on those occasions a 753 or even a 764 down here on their IAH flight to cope with capacity demands. I'm sure DL could have a few 763As for this purpose to spare (they even send -300ERs on very rare occasions). SJO is a high demand market and could justify having one or two flights, even if only from MIA, with a 767, but the airport itself makes it a pain to operate, not just with the capacity and parking space issue but also with the obstacle clearance problems that restricts twinjets, especially the ones on DE's service to FRA.
Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19): I really hope the DGAC takes over the airport from Alterra which is doing completely nothing at the moment and for the last 2-3 years.
Even if DGAC, or more specifically CETAC, takes over SJO, they'll have one hell of a mess to deal with. And even when they cleared things up and got the construction back on track, there's still the chance that the airport operating concession may fall back into the hands of a private company like Alterra which may cause some uncertainty again once things start going wrong.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2660 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21): AA sends their largest aircraft, in terms of passenger capacity, on all three daily MIA-SJO flights. AA's A300s seat 267 passengers, compared to 245 in the 772s and 219 in the 767s.
I forgot about AA having their AB6s configured in a very high density configuration. I stand corrected, however my point still stands for DL and CO, who I'm sure they have some major equipment to spare, like 763A and 753s respectively. As for MIA-SJO, I frequently saw 757s and even 738s coming down from MIA, along with the AB6. How many times a year and for how long do they make MIA-SJO an all A300 operation, or is that more of a case of the service being permanently EQV?
Tomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 521 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
As LTU932 correctly says, DL and CO are perfectly in shape to make such a change, there is something quite nasty about seeing CO1485, CO1490, CO1530 & CO1446 depart to IAH on Saturday with all 738 equipment. Thats just riddiculous to me, specially that the last three flights are no more than an hour difference, and they could easliy could do double 753 service a day (like in the high season) and eliminate two flights.
Same case with DL, three flights a day from ATL and already 752, why not reduce it to 2 daily domestic 763?
BTW, back to the new routes, any idea what the equipment will be?
25 MAH4546: Schedules: AA 717 FLL 0730-1030 SDQ 738 Daily AA 718 SDQ 1135-1300 FLL738 Daily AA 2113 FLL 1430-1620 SJO 738 Daily AA 2112 SJO 1725-2115 FLL 738 Dail
26 Sflaflight: Wow, didn't expect this! ...and this is why MAH has been screaming (like me to) to combine FLL and MIA as one market as far as numbers. This just goes
27 Dutchjet: I agree, AA is protecting is trying to protect its position in the very profitable South FLorida-Latin America/Caribbean market. AA is the dominant a
28 MAH4546: AA returned their FLL-CCS authority back to DOT. They are probably kicking themselves right now, because Spirit would kill for FLL-CCS (they have app
29 Dutchjet: Good points....I fear that due the political climate between the US and Venzuela, Spirit will be waiting a very long time for its FLL-CCS application
30 TACAA320: Just great. Two options [ NK AA ] to skip MIA!
31 MAH4546: Delta might have already thrown in the towel. FLL-SDQ is no longer bookable on delta.com.
32 Dutchjet: Very interesting indeed.........keep us updated, as the implications of this move by DL could be huge.
33 DeltAirlines: Last date the flight is in the reservation system is September 5. Can't say I'm shocked - don't really see the new Delta letting an unprofitable rout
34 LGA777: When AA did FLL-SDQ last time their loads where fairly weak from what I understand. While demamd from MIA/FLL to SDQ is strong NYC-SDQ is stronger IMO
35 MAH4546: MIA/FLL-SDQ is actually a slightly larger market. While NYC has a larger Dominican community, Dominicans in Miami come largely from Santo Domingo, wh
36 Dutchjet: huh? The New Delta just added the FLL-SDQ route to its system and decided to go head-to-head with NK on the route......and the route was rumored to b
37 MAH4546: It's a mix bag. Merida is being discontinued, as was Ixtapa. Hermosillio is gone soon, too. San Pedro Sula is doing so poorly, it might be downgraded
38 FlyPNS1: Actually, I think DL has just about maxed out their Latin American growth from ATL. They've got all the primary and secondary routes covered. The ter
39 MAH4546: Also to note about the FLL changes, the A300 scheduled for FLL-PAP-FLL originates in FLL and returns to FLL. They are obviously not going to have that
40 Sflaflight: Makes sense to me. I see FLL-SJU as a great AB3 route. You guys can correct me if you think I'm wrong, but lately I get the feeling (and again, this
41 Dutchjet: Its so hard to generalize.....but the huge growth of JetBlue on the BOS-FLL and JFK/LGA/EWR-FLL routes has certainly impacted DL; DL ruled on these r
42 FlyPNS1: I can't say for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if DL's reputation has taken a hit. They've been kind of shizophrenic in regards to FLL over the
43 Tomascubero: I have noticed this too, spotter-wise. Back in 2005 in 3 hours you would see around 3 767-400, a couple of 757-200 and even the occassional 737-200/8
44 2travel2know: Or flying to MGA 3pm and KIN 9pm (arriving FLL 8am)
45 Yellowtail: Going to a CRJ on San Pedro Sula might be what that route needs to survive and nuture. Agreed..but they are still going from daily to 1Xweekly Sept t
46 PRAirbus: FLL-PAP will be flown on AB6 starting DEC/07. Departing FLL around 9AM and returning at 2PM...wonder where that AB6 will come from and where will it g
47 Dutchjet: Here is your answer: SJU is another market that can support the A300 out of FLL.......in the coming weeks, schedules will be updated.
48 Njdevilsin03: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...363.story?coll=sfla-business-front In a move to check fast-expanding Spirit Airlines, American said it will fly
49 PRAirbus: Here's the answer from AA website. A300's to SJU & PAP from FLL in DEC/07. ---AA'S FLL SERVICE TO EXPAND IN DECEMBER 2007--- American Airlines will bo
50 Sflaflight: Hah!!! Our customers have been asking for. Yeah right! Had it not been for NK, the service would have never started. Ahh, the good ole AA Spin. Sound
51 Commavia: While it is true that AA is doing this in response to Spirit, I also think that if there was a ever a high-density cargo/passenger route that could w