Imkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
UAL just announced today the earlier retirement of 25 727s next year. They also announced a purchase of 13 more aircraft, bringing the total Airbus aircraft ordered by UAL to, I believe, 179. Delivery is in 2002.
However, to those who said UAL had a very high average fleet age, here is information straight from the horse's mouth: "At year-end 2000, United's operating fleet will consist of 604 aircraft with an average age of 10.1 years. At year-end 2001, United will have an operating fleet of 619 aircraft with an average age of 9.7 years."
I don't know what AA's or DL's fleet ages are, but I would venture to guess that UA has a younger overall fleet (especially over DL). 10 years average is pretty damn good for an airline with over 600 'crafts!
NKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
Why even lend creedance to the original premise by letting laymen frame the issue in those terms? So an A/C is 15 or 16 years old....so what? Do the people who obsess over these matters actually buy, fly, and maintain them? If an aircraft can provide a favorable cost/revenue balance then it will remain in a fleet. If a carrier chooses to be lax in regards to the appearance and cleanliness of a plane, then that's another story. Plenty of 20 year old planes that look great in and out and provide reliable service---and plenty of 5 year old planes that look like holy hell inside and out. --- And plenty of 1 year old planes that are hangar queens. Trust me.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40298 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
So what if there planes are old!
I flew United 747-200 SFO-HNL last summer and was one of the best flights I've ever had. It had to be at least 20 years old. Last month I flew on there brand new 777 SFO-Dulles and I couldn't wait to get off the plane. What a lousy over-rated aircraft!
Northwest and Hawaiian has a pretty old fleet and I think it is a very impressive fleet! I like to see a diversified fleet of 4-engine, tri-jets, twins and props in an airline.
I am sure United will replace there reliable 727-200 with a very boring run of the mill twin engine jet or some sort.
What scares me is that in 25 years when we go to an airport, all we'll see is twin engine jets.
JumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
This is what high fuel prices are doing to the good old three-holer....
I have heard that even NW is revising their fleet strategy because keeping older aircraft is no more financially viable. As for their fleet age - it was discussed not so long ago and IIRC it's ~ 19 years.