Since there are many of us who are closely monitoring the addition of two new 772 to the existing 772 fleet, I thought it might be better to have one master thread that will deal with the two new a/c. instead of having many small thread.
There is a lot of interest in these new planes, because they will have new everything.
New First, Business, and Economy class.
12 pax First Class
35 pax Platinum/Business Class
232 pax Economy Class
New ambience lighting,
New AVOD Panasonic entertainment system - EX2.
New logo on the a/c.
Here we can discuss and post any pics and any new info we get and learn about these two new beautiful jets (I am sure todareseinger would have preferred with old logo)
The new a/c coming back from paint shop with new logo. Look at this site that has latest pics ... Mattcawby from his website : http://microvoltradio.com/images/kpae1628.jpg
Once again he proved to be one of the most interesting and important photographers in the aviation world.
Seat map of new configuration:
12 pax First Class
35 pax Platinum/Business Class
232 pax Economy Class
One less toilette in C class.
First Class seat - Flat with 77 " pitch
Business Class - Lie angled (170 degree) 62"+ pitch
According to the first few month schedule the new a/c will be introduced mainly on TLV - EWR route (LY027 and LY028) with the occasional LHR, CDG, JFK and HKG.
4x-ece will be named after the Sderot and 4X-ecf will be named after Kiryat - Shmona.
Username - "El Al 001" reported that the a/c will probably be certified with lower MTOW. That means the a/c will NOT be able to do the ultra long flights to LAX and MIA
The first a/c is due to be delivered around the 22 july and the second in mid August.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 22920 posts, RR: 78 Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15967 times:
I saw the second frame in the 777 factory today at the front of the line. She may be making an appearance shortly.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 5346 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15928 times:
Why will they have less MTOW than the others ? It doesn't make any sense from a fleet planning perspective but the lower MTOW may make the aircraft slightly less expensive ? Seems like short term cost savings if so...
Amirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1327 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15895 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 2): Why will they have less MTOW than the others ? It doesn't make any sense from a fleet planning perspective but the lower MTOW may make the aircraft slightly less expensive ? Seems like short term cost savings if so...
exactly.
Quoting LY777 (Reply 4): Do you know if the seat covers willbe new as well?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 22920 posts, RR: 78 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15687 times:
The second one recently left the factory and is now out on the flight-line.
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 799 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15652 times:
Quoting Amirs (Thread starter): the a/c will probably be certified with lower MTOW. That means the a/c will NOT be able to do the ultra long flights to LAX and MIA
Will the lower MTOW also affect the ability of the two new airplanes to fly to BKK and HKG?
Amirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1327 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15528 times:
This is especially for LY777 -
4x-ece is being put to work asap.
The delivery flights will be LY 034 and arrive in TLV on July 26 at 15:10.
Its first commercial flight is scheduled :
27JUL TLV 01:10 CDG 05:30 0 NO LY 327 NO FCY 772
27JUL CDG 07:00 TLV 12:20 0 NO LY 222 NO FCY 772
Amirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1327 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15475 times:
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 13): On Sunday midnight ECE goes to EWR as LY027, returns on Monday morning to TLV as LY028 and then goes to LHR as LY315/316 (Monday).
I guess we are even, back when we started talking about ECE, I thought there were going to be 8/10 seats in F and you corrected me.
On that same post when i wrote the first month schedule and that ECE will be dedicated to EWQR and LHR as much as possible, you said that I was mistaken and that nothing is final. I guess I was right.
Quoting El Al 001,: "There are some mistakes here....
1st of all, LY is moving to a new configuration on all 777s.
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.
New configured 777s will be shown in the systems as 772.
The 1st new 777, ECE, is already scheduled for flights in August, but, this is not final."
JFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1342 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15454 times:
I am just curious if LY has the same stationed security at PAE that they do when an LY aircraft lands at other airports.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2060 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15446 times:
Quoting JFK69 (Reply 15): I am just curious if LY has the same stationed security at PAE that they do when an LY aircraft lands at other airports.
hmmm...I doubt the plane will carry many people and only factory workers have entry to the facilities. So I gues there is no point, there might be one or two people keeping an eye on the plnae if at all. Maybe one of the reasons the plane will fly straight to JFK before continuing to TLV inorder to get a full security check and fill the plane up with executives of the airline and specially invited quests for the first official flight?
Lemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15378 times:
Quoting LXA340 (Reply 16): hmmm...I doubt the plane will carry many people and only factory workers have entry to the facilities. So I gues there is no point, there might be one or two people keeping an eye on the plnae if at all. Maybe one of the reasons the plane will fly straight to JFK before continuing to TLV inorder to get a full security check and fill the plane up with executives of the airline and specially invited quests for the first official flight?
According to some folks I talked to who might know these kinds of things, LY not only has security people for these flights, but had them present during production as well, at least for certain stages of the production.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2060 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15346 times:
Quoting Lemurs (Reply 17): According to some folks I talked to who might know these kinds of things, LY not only has security people for these flights, but had them present during production as well, at least for certain stages of the production.
Considering how americans handle airport security even though various top people in charge of it, were sent to Israel to learn from the Israelis I wouldn't trust them when planes are getting built for LY, then the whole security did not get any better at all besides making panic about everything which is unfortunately very sad and I hope this will improve soon without needing something big happen again. So in retrospect what I said didn't make sense, the israeli security is not allowed to leave the plane out of their eye from the point of those critical production stages to all flights also if it's a delivery flight.
We have discussed this in the past but now we know what it will look like.
It really annoys me that LY is advertising that it is getting two new 772 with the most innovative and comfortable systems.
Ok - so the mood lighting and the AVOD Panasonic systems are a big advancement and have the latest technology.
BUT - the seats
Ok so they got these lie angled seats in C class which is today's standard for any int'l airline. The problem is that they are getting these seats now, and will only be available in the entire fleets of 744 and 777 by the END of 2008!!! Thats in almost a year and a half. They only have 8 a/c to reconfigure and it will take them that long to install? So technically next year if you fly on a 744 (to JFK lets say) you will still be flying in the old C class seats.
Imagine an airline like BA that has over 50 744 and 40 777 took the same time to install the NNCW seats!!!!!
As for First - don't let them fool you. Those seats they are installing in First are the same seats they are installing in C class but wider and bigger pitch.
The seat comes in two versions - lie angled and flat.
The pitch in business will be 62/63 and in "First" 76'.
In Iberia's and SAA's BUSINESS class they have the same seats FLAT with 74' - 76' pitch.
And everyday there is a new airline that are instaling in BUSINESS a seat like the ones LY is installing in FIRST.
See Air India in new 777, and Qantas upgrading in 744 and will be installing in A380.
They have aparently upgraded the service in the flight and lowered the fares.
To our First Class and Full Fare C class Forum members - do you feel the price is lower and will you full fare members now get First class?
Apparently that is what they are hoping since they doubled the size of the First Class.
So while most airlines are now installing private suites in First, El Al is installing the best business class seat in its FIRST class.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2060 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15222 times:
Quoting Amirs (Reply 19): It really annoys me that LY is advertising that it is getting two new 772 with the most innovative and comfortable systems.
true I am feeling the same way about it. They did the same when getting the first bunch of 772's back in 2001. As far as I remember the Business Class had to be exchanged with new seats as they were so unconfortable and many people complained. LY does it over and over again, it really can't be too hard to bring out a good concept for 3 classes and introduce it in all planes. Why is LY not capable of doing things it really isn't that hard. Every aircraft type having different seats different IFE and yes this what is being installed now in the new 772's is not a bad prodcut but it doesn't deserve such a big fuss about it. Standard eco, standard business and an inferior business class. This is a MUST and nothing to be proud about if you want to be a good ailrine today!!!
LY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 843 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15185 times:
Does anybody know why the new LY 777 was ferried to Abbotsford, BC for flyaway?
Visityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15118 times:
Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 21): Does anybody know why the new LY 777 was ferried to Abbotsford, BC for flyaway?
3 possibilites:
1. some interior fit by Cascade Aersopace (but 1.5 hours seems too short);
2. uplift fuel for delivery flight (unlikely since US and CDN $ close to par these days);
3. formal delivery acceptance to avoid payment of Washington State tax.
Or perhaps they just felt like it ???
25 Pygmalion: close... it has more to do with Export C of A rules and international banking than taxes.
26 Visityyj: Interesting. Do you have a website or document reference for this ? There's been a debate over on flightaware as to why some Boeings go to YXX for de
27 777way: Why dont LY drop First Class and just have a superior standard Business class, plus intoduce Premium Economy cabin too.
28 LY4XELD: The delivery flight is schedule for today. PAE-JFK, then JFK-TLV as LY34. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY34
29 Mattcawby: The flight number was changed shortly before takeoff http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY1034
30 LY4XELD: " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/E...Y1034 D'oh! I wanted to see it off...oh well. There's two more in the firing order!
32 LY4XELD: Sorry...one more. Got confused. The one today was still on the list I saw.
33 TodaReisinger: I guess several scenarios have been studied..... I think F is highly lucrative, at least on some routes. Isn't the new Platinum class designed to be
34 Flyguy1: Confirm 4X-ECE was flown from PAE, to JFK today? She sure looked shiny on her way into JFK earlier...
35 LXA340: From the day Platinum Class was introduced a few years ago they wanted to sell it off as a Superior Business Class, typical EL AL. They never replace
36 LY334: Hi, I have an invitation to go to the press conference for the journalists to be there when the a/c arrives. I am afraid it wont even be intresting, d
37 Amirs: Don't get confused, at first rumours were that LY will get rid of First and have two business class - a "superior/premium" business class and "regula
39 LXA340: If there would be public pictures LY would ruin their marketing blabla for their "most modern interior" in the industry flying around. So now we need
40 El Al 001: Nice aircraft, Ive been on it today at 17:00 Israel time. The a/c landed around 16:00 on RWY26 and was given the tradinional water cannon splash just
41 Amirs: here are some pics from the ceremony and "First Class" http://www.vatil.org/vatil/board/viewtopic.php?t=18175 and short film http://switch410-01.castu
42 JFK69: Gorgeous, Clean looking Bird. Good luck LY
43 Semsem: Here is the link to the new commercials and more information. http://www.elal777.co.il/eng/?md=haaretzcom
44 LY777: Thanks for the links! can't wait to fly one of them!
45 Amirs: It was already in Paris this morning on its first commercial flight.
46 LY777: yes, I know, I saw that on LY timetable. As I told you, I wanted to fly TLV-CDG on Sept 4th because it was meant to be a 772 (ECE/ECF), finally, they
47 LXA340: " target=_blank>http://www.vatil.org/vatil/board/vie...18175 Those First seats really = Business Class and I see they even didn't get the "flightbag"
48 Amirs: this few months will be your only chance to see her, she will not fly to CDG all year round. just summer and holiday time. According to EL AL website
49 777way: Buiness First would be a nice name for their First class.
50 Amirs: 1. Too bad CO thought of it first. 2. Usually these products like AC, IB, DL, CO etc have, they charge J class prices, not like LY that is charging F
51 TodaReisinger: Gorgeous - yes, the 777 is extremely beautiful and impressive Clean - of course, it is brand new..... BUT: the "redesigned" logo is hideous... I've r
53 LXA340: Now we are missing detailed pictures of the cabin from each single Class.
54 LY7E7: Anybody knows what's the schedule for the next couple of weeks? I am scheduled for EWR/JFK on next saturday night.
55 Amirs: Check on LY website in the schedule, if the aircraft type is 772 its the new a/c. if this is your flight then yes, new a/c ... 05Aug TLV 00:05 EWR 05:
56 LXA340: Is it final that the rest of the planes will not receive the new IFE system with AVOD. LY makes is all so big and now they will only offer it on the 2
57 Amirs: Maybe they will have it only for "F" and J class. I know they are definetly not upgrading the Y class seats in the other 777. I hope they rethink by
58 El Al 001: You understand correct. The airline will replace the seats during routine C checks. Although some of the 744 fleet is scheduled going under C checks
59 LXA340: But LY could've at least done a better job at the planning and order seats early neough that they would arrive in time for the upcomming C checks thi
60 Amirs: Its this approach that makes me hope Borovitch fail. I used to be LY biggest fan - now I am just hoping Arkia will take over. EL AL needs real compet
61 LXA340: Maybe it will come from their own family when Arkia will launch fully flat beds in Business and a First Class Suit similar to Ethidad, Qatar, Singapo
62 Shlomoz: It won't be "in the family" since Borovich was required to sell Arkia when he took over LY. Knafaim (the Borovic holding company) sold Arkia to the Na
63 LXA340: well I meant that more from a sarcastic point anyway. But what is Arkia planing with it's 787's flights to NY or what?
64 Amirs: I would guess NYC, BKK, LHR maybe KIX/NRT, SYD, GRU/GIG, EZE????
65 LXA340: It will be interesting to see if Akria plans to introduce a good premium product or will stick to it's purely charter configurations.
68 Amirs: looks like Business seat arent very comfortable look at Haim Romano, EL AL's CEa try to fit into one .... http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.t...raeln
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