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Delta To Suspend Service To Merida  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

No surprise here, as the route struggled right out the gate. Delta will suspend service between Atlanta and Merida, Mexico on 2 September 2007. Delta has been really successful with the majority of their international expansion, but many routes to secondary cities in the Caribbean/LatAm region continue to under-perform:

Article, in Spanish:
http://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/ElFin...docTipo=1&orderby=docid&sortby=ASC

Merida keeps daily Continental Airlines service to Houston and three weekly AeroMexico flights to Miami. The article also mentions American Airlines is studying service to Dallas or Los Angeles, but to my knowledge, that is not true. They are, however, considering daily ATR-72 service to Miami.

[Edited 2007-07-06 00:29:14]


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Well Im not really that surprised, some of the Mexican routes are harder to maintain. ATL isnt really that great to serve Mexico, DFW and IAH are much better for that.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Merida keeps daily Continental Airlines service to Houston and three weekly AeroMexico flights to Miami. American Eagle is studying daily ATR-72 service to Miami.

I would be surprised if AA decided to serve MID from MIA over DFW. Not saying they wont, but I would think that DFW-MID would come first.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):

I would be surprised if AA decided to serve MID from MIA over DFW. Not saying they wont, but I would think that DFW-MID would come first.

Miami has the largest community of Yucatecans in the United States, with over 70,000 Mexicans living in Miami from the Merida area. That is why AeroMexico flies MIA-MID, and why American Eagle is looking at it. Miami is the single largest international O&D market from Merida. Merida is a VFR market more than a leisure market, which is why it didn't work from Atlanta.

[Edited 2007-07-06 00:39:47]


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

I had to completely scrap a vacation to MID in January due to DL supsending the route then. I wasn't contacted until approximately one week before it was time to leave, and by that time there were no seats available on CO or AM. I wasn't able to change my dates, so I had to eat my non-refundable hotel bill.


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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

I have heard the MIA-CZM Eagle flights operated with an AT7 are doing great.
I would look for more service in that market. Maybe even an upgrade to mainline on weekends.

I imagine MIA-MID would also do well. Plus Eagle has the ATR capacity to spare for the route.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 4):
I have heard the MIA-CZM Eagle flights operated with an AT7 are doing great.

The route is performing well beyond expectations. They have already added a second frequency, leaving MIA on Saturday evenings, arriving on Sunday mornings. Helps accomadate busy weekend traffic.

AA was a little worried at first because it was quite a long haul for a prop, but it has worked out, which is why Merida is now being looked at.

[Edited 2007-07-06 00:55:17]


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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The route is performing well beyond expectations.

Excellent. This confirms what I have also been hearing.

And I also forgot to mention the partnership with and hopefully future oneworld membership of MX can only help the route.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Miami has the largest community of Yucatecans in the United States, with over 70,000 Mexicans living in Miami from the Merida area. That is why AeroMexico flies MIA-MID, and why American Eagle is looking at it. Miami is the single largest international O&D market from Merida. Merida is a VFR market more than a leisure market, which is why it didn't work from Atlanta.

Thats true and Im sure thats why AM flies MIA-MID. I dont doubt that American Eagle would fly MIA-MID, but Im just wondering if it would come before DFW-MIA. Maybe they (if they did) could introduce them together. DFW is AA's favored gateway to Mexico.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

What aircraft operated this route, 738 or CR7? Probably 738 on Saturdays and CR7s on weekdays?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):
What aircraft operated this route, 738 or CR7? Probably 738 on Saturdays and CR7s on weekdays?

Originally a 738, quickly downgraded to a CR7.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
They are, however, considering daily ATR-72 service to Miami

I hope they AA launches MIA or or even DFW to Merida. There's more O&D traffic between MIA and Merida than ATL-Merida.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
There's more O&D traffic between MIA and Merida than ATL-Merida.

There is actually more O&D traffic between Miami and Merida than the entire rest of the US and Merida, IIRC. Miami accounts for something like 55% of Merida's US traffic. Mexicana actually carriers the most, via Cancun, not AeroMexico.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
AA was a little worried at first because it was quite a long haul for a prop, but it has worked out, which is why Merida is now being looked at.

Is MID a bit of a stretch for the ATR? It's 100+ miles longer than CZM (from MIA), and VFR traffic often means excess baggage.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):

Is MID a bit of a stretch for the ATR? It's 100+ miles longer than CZM (from MIA), and VFR traffic often means excess baggage.

It's fine. MIA-MID is 593nm, and the range of American Eagle's ATR's is 820nm. They also can haul a hefty amount of cargo, which is why AA loves them.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

DL has also axed LAX/HMO starting August 08.


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Delta has been really successful with the majority of their international expansion, but many routes to secondary cities in the Caribbean/LatAm region continue to under-perform:


BZE and SPS too though DL seems to have fianlly found a CRJ/738 mix that works for them..we hope....it is great having a CRJ among all the 73s here in BZE....

Yields are also a bit higher to these destinations which also makes the load factor lower....

What were the load factors on MID...and and waht are they now on SPS and BZE..

[Edited 2007-07-06 20:39:35]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 15):
What were the load factors on MID...and and waht are they now on SPS and BZE..

San Pedro Sula (which is SAP; SPS is Wichita Falls, Texas) isn't a great performer, neither is Managua. Props to Delta for staying in those markets though, along with Kingston (terrible performer). Most airlines would have pulled out by now with the figures that Delta is getting at SAP, MGA, and KIN.

[Edited 2007-07-06 21:17:23]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 15):
What were the load factors on MID

In the 30s and 40s. Slightly better with SAP and MGA--maybe 40s and 50s but no bueno.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
the 30s and 40s. Slightly better with SAP and MGA--maybe 40s and 50s but no bueno.

Maybe they should try the CR7 on SAP.....it is not much further than BZE.

Also..they should really try local marketing at these destinations......I know here in BZE non-existent is a generous term. 3 years after starting most people still don't know they exist. I have been saing this from way back..but opening up a ticket office really helps the visibilty.....AA/Co understand this and do it

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Most airlines would have pulled out by now with the figures that Delta is getting at SAP, MGA, and KIN.

Not necessarily true....CO is know for nurturing routes.....they took losses on BZE for 5-6 years.....now they have 16X week...usually all full.....and they have stuck to CLO despite horrible loads.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
ugh, along with Kingston (terrible performer)

I thought DL had said that since moving to a CRJ..it has been better.....



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1940 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4246 times:

Hmmmmm.....An ATR 72 from Miami to Merida? Or Cozumel????
Uh, I dont thhink so....I love prop planes a whole bunch but I dont think that I would fly an ATR over such a large expanse of water....Just my preference......I love the Fokker F.27/Fairchild F-27/FH-227 series a whole bunch however, I dont think I would even do the trip on one of those either.......Maybe its just me getting older or wiser or more cautiuous...or even fuddy duddy...LOL.
It just seems a bit of s stretch for that plane......just my opinion....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 18):
I thought DL had said that since moving to a CRJ..it has been better.....

It a E170 to KIN now...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 18):

Not necessarily true....CO is know for nurturing routes.....they took losses on BZE for 5-6 years.....now they have 16X week...usually all full.....and they have stuck to CLO despite horrible loads.

I did say most, not all. CO also does stick it out longer than others.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 18):
I thought DL had said that since moving to a CRJ..it has been better.....



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):
Hmmmmm.....An ATR 72 from Miami to Merida? Or Cozumel????

Yup. AA already does it.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):
ATR over such a large expanse of water.

Large expanse of water? Not really. The flight actually hugs the coast most of the time, hugging the Florida Keys, a quick jump to Cuba, where it hugs the Cuban coast, and then a quick jump to Cozumel. It is actually hugging land for more than half the time in the air.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Have the CO loads to CLO picked up? I know when CO first served BOG the loads were terrible but they grew to be solid. It seems like CLO is staying daily for a bit longer than last year although to be honest I can't recall when they switched to 3-4 a week.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 22):
Have the CO loads to CLO picked up? I know when CO first served BOG the loads were terrible but they grew to be solid. It seems like CLO is staying daily for a bit longer than last year although to be honest I can't recall when they switched to 3-4 a week.

I have a friend who works for CO at IAH, and he tells me that CLO is the weakest link in CO's IAH route network for Latin America (as far as loads go, not profit, which I have no idea about). I dont think they have picked up. If the LF is an indication of the profit, the routes days are numbered.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 22):
Have the CO loads to CLO picked up? I know when CO first served BOG the loads were terrible but they grew to be solid. It seems like CLO is staying daily for a bit longer than last year although to be honest I can't recall when they switched to 3-4 a week.

The route performs horribly. I think CO keeps it because US-Colombia frequencies are valuable, and they don't want to give them up. Spirit would love to have them...



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25 ATLBoiler : Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 18): I thought DL had said that since moving to a CRJ..it has been better..... It a E170 to KIN now... When DL first downgra
26 Cubsrule : I guess I'm confused. It seems like neither CZM nor MID would be a problem for the ATR at all. Yet, you said Why did they worry?
27 AJMIA : I think the main reason AA was worried was passenger acceptance of such a long over water flight on an ATR. People have no problem jumping on an ATR
28 Tsnamm : We cancelled this route before a number of years ago, and now have returned. I think they feeling was is that CLO wasn't given enough time to mature
29 DeltaAVL : I was just at MID a few days ago talking to some folks who came in on the DL ATL-MID flight. They said it was completely full. That made me think that
30 Yellowtail : Yet they are going from daily to one weekly....September to December.....proves the route is all tourist related...
31 SOUTHAMERICA : It was Barranquilla, which was served via San Jose I believe. SA.
32 Yellowtail : BTW....how does CO route to MID from IAH do....must be OK to be daily....probably some good business traffic in there...
33 COflyerBOS : The MID route is flown with a 733, not an ERJ from IAH so it must be doing well. It's been around for years. MID was served well before the huge regio
34 Yellowtail : Yes..it was started when BZE was started ..over 10 years ago...the original route was IAH-MID-BZE-MID-IAH...with traffic rights between MID and BZE..
35 BestWestern : Eh - just look at Air Tahiti's ATR services in Polynesia...
36 Slider : I don't get it...you're cherring DL's staying in dog markets?
37 Yellowtail : No he is giving credit to DL for sticking it out and trying to nuture the route...soemthing CO is very good at....take losses for a few years in the
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