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UA Ending Milan Flights?  
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

Is this really true? Can someone confirm?

If so, that leaves UA with LHR, CDG, FRA, MUC, AMS, BRU, and DUS in Europe.


ContinentalEWR

36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Only 4 more locations than TW (including FRA), less if you count TW's codeshare arrangements.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Ironic isn't it. US Airways will soon have more flights to Europe than UA.

Oh well....



User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Maybe that's why they're pulling out of MXP??? (UA/US combination)


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineDelta763ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1547 times:


I dissagree with UAL for doing this. Milan Malpensa is Europe's fastest growing airport, so why pull out of a city that will soon become a major gateway in Europe. There again, United-Sinking (not rising).


User currently offlineAA@DFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Is it ORD-MIL?

If so, I guess AA will really have a hold on that route.

AA@DFW


User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

ContinentalEWR:

Where have you heard this from?


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

That's not true!!!!!
UA won't discontinue its service to MXP, trust me these are only speculations!!!

TWfirst: where did you get that from??

Neo


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Where did I get what from?


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Hey bud! Are you freezing your @ss off up there in MN? I just got back from Ohio today, and it was cold and snowy...nice to be back in 80 degree LA!

You do realize that if you count TWA's codeshares, you also have to count United's, and with the star alliance (and Lufthansa), I'm pretty sure that would beat the pants off TWA in terms of European destinations (but i don't know).

I think ContinentalEWR is smoking crack again. Where did you get this info, ContinentalEWR? When you make claims, it is best to site a source. Or was it just a question, as in "IS United pulling out of MXP?" In which case it is silly for people to be commenting on the question like it is a fact.


User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Clearing up a barrage of misinformation:

United currently flies IAD-MXP daily with alternating 767-300 and 777-200 (non ER) aircraft; I think it depends on the seasons. Historically, the flight used to go IAD-MXP-ROM-IAD, but a few years ago United dropped Rome.

United is currently the second largest carrier over the Atlantic, as measured in RPMs. There was a point recently when UAL actually overtook Delta month-over-month in RPM stats, but that was short-lived. Despite having merely 8 destinations in Europe, UALs traffic figures are continuously on the rise, and the highest load factors in UAL's system is to be found on the transatlantic network. Although it might be that United will now only have 7 destinations, you must understand that US Airways is not even close to being as big as United to Europe, even if they will have more destinations. (A moot point, anyway, since UAL will absorb those flights as part of the merger).

Number of destinations is not a good indicator for airline size. Continental is probably the most "international" of the US 'lines; they've got a helluva lot of international destinations in Europe and Latin America. However, many of those points are served with very low frequencies, many even 1,2,3x weekly; rarely are international destination's served more than once daily.

UAL likes to think its "principle subsidiary" is a businessman's airline. As such, UAL strategists like to have many frequencies in high-yield business markets. This is why United has 91 flights weekly *alone* into LHR. That number of flights to one European destination is more than US Airways' or TWA's number of European flights.

I rest my case.

-imk


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

From what I have heard, the flights to Milan are going to B767-300 services and there are no plans to decrease service AT this point through June 2001. That would have to been called by now, as United likes to give at least 6 mos notice on cancellation of international services *unless it's due to catostrophic event or terrorism*

Nate


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

I really think UA is losing ground in Europe! You have to admit, competetion is tough in this market.
UA serves Europe mostly from its tiny little IAD hub. Few flights from ORD and SFO too. UA is almost nothing without LH and SK codeshare in such routes.
The NYC-LON market is undoubtly dominated by BA and AA, with a good VS participation as well. UA´s 4 daily flights really represents good part of their profit in Europe, followed by the German routes.
So don´t intend to put UA in a kind of unreachable place. CO and DL are much more efficient in this market than UA.
Just realize that United did not expand in Europe in the last 5 years, except by code sharing with huge European Airlines.
I don´t have anything against UA, but i just didn´t agree with your "theory".



User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Why didn't UAL go for Rome (FCO)?? Why Milan? I'll tell you, United can pick some wierd cities....

User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

UA is also losing competetion in the LAmerican market!
"What a great airline"


User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 1430 times:

Yes, sadly UAL has been hemorrhaging market share in the Latin American for some time now. UAL doesn't have much international confidence, except to Asia.

However, Dellatore, you assumed wrong. You might also want to take the condescension out of your post-- it's not very pleasant, you dolt (just kidding about the dolt)! I did not state a theory. I stated the fact that UAL is still significantly ahead of CO and AA to Europe as measured by the industry standard measurement of RPMs. Look at the DOT stats and individual airline traffic releases.

Yes, the NYC-LON market is dominated by BA and AA: BA has 7 daily flights, AA has 6 daily. Virgin has (I think) 4. United has 3.

However, United does not have the mere 4 flights into LHR you suggested! United alone has 15 daily flights into London. As of spring next year, the flights will be as follows:

- 3x daily JFK-LHR
- 3x daily IAD-LHR
- 3x daily ORD-LHR
- 3x daily SFO-LHR (LHR-AMS will be dropped)
- 2x daily LAX-LHR
- 1x daily BOS-LHR

Case closed.

-imk



User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Travelin' man, someone posted a thread about UA ending MEL and MXP on Sunday and if you read the
topic you ignoramus,
it reads UNITED ENDING MILAN FLIGHTS WITH A
question mark. That means I am asking a
question, not making a statement.

I even ask someone to confirm it so I am not
stating it. Alright? Get a life and read a post
before you respond to it.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineNWA747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Northwest dropped its daily DTW-MXP becuase it didnt do well either

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Actually, loads to MXP have been overall fairly good. Not nearly as profitable as say, LHR, but not bad, either.

Someone left out the EWR-LHR flight in their observation [ ], so, as soon as LHR-AMS is dropped in favor of a third daily SFO-LHR flight, UA will operate 16 flights per day from the US to LHR.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L



User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

what UA is doing is routing people through LHR so they can connect to British Midland, and other Star Alliance Carriers. Its the hub and spoke concept

User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

United is not loosing ground in Europe. Remember that United has strong partners in Europe like Lufthansa, SAS, British Midland and Austrian.

These airlines are feeding United hubs in America with thousands of passengers. Maybe the same strategy for Europe, where United feeds Star Alliance partners here for instance in London, Frankfurt, Copenhagen, Vienna and Munich. Milan is not a Star Alliance hub!!!


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

So basically this is an unconfirmed rumor with no basis in fact.

People have confirmed UA is NOT dropping MXP in the near future, so I guess all this "united is losing ground" is pretty much based on nothing.

And P.S. United is reinstating its around-the-world flight. Are there any other U.S. carriers that can say that?


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

What makes you think UA is better than any other just because they have a around-the-world flight.
This doesn´t stand for anything!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

OK we've had enough of it!!!!

There are other topics to look for..........


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Leave Travelin Man alone. He is my friend. 


Hey dude, yes I am freezing my ass off and I'm totally over this winter thing already (it took me 2.5 hours to get home from work a couple nights ago - normally it takes .5 hour). We've had 3 mild winters and now we're back to typical Minnesota winter bullcrap.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
25 OO-VEG : I don't think UA is losing ground in Europe. At AMS they are expanding! The flight to Chicago will become Non-stop (now this flight is AMS-LHR-ORD). A
26 SEVEN_FIFTY7 : From a close friend and UA employee: There are rumors at UA about IAD-Copenhagen sometime in the future. (For possible SAS feed @ Copenhagen). *******
27 Travelin man : I didn't SAY United was better because they had a round-the-world flight. I AM saying that all this talk about UA retrenching is HIGHLY ironic for an
28 SegmentKing : how many other airlines schedule Boeing 747-400 aircraft on domestic US routes as well :P :P :P :P anyhow, Melbourne won't be dropped.. just rerouted.
29 ILUV767 : I'm happy about the flight going thorugh Brisbane. Back to Europe: Personally I would like to see UA expand service in Europe. I think that they shoul
30 Post contains links and images Vadheim : Unfortunately, I do'nt think United will come to Copenhagen from Washington in the nearest future, simply because SAS has decided to start their own d
31 ContinentalEWR : UA won't resume IAD-MAD flights anytime soon. Spanair operates the route up to six times a week and UA code shares with them. As for IAD-FCO, it seems
32 767-332ER : Milan Malpensa is currently Europe's fastest growing airport. Alitalia has moved most international traffic to MXP from FCO. Smart move by them since
33 PA121 : I would not be surprised to see United retire from MPX in the future. Actually TWA will pull out as well soon (after 50 years) and Delta was thinking
34 Post contains images The777Man : I don't think we'll see IAD-CPH for UA since, already mentioned, SAS will start that route. Perhaps a IAD-ARN? . MEL could possibly be rerouted and ad
35 ContinentalEWR : PA121, DL serves BOTH MXP and VCE from JFK daily. No flights moving there. Northwest was banking on the KLM/AZ alliance, which collapsed. I bet that t
36 PA121 : ContinentalEWR, Your points are all correct. I actually forgot about American, and in the case of Delta I was not precise. However, I do believe the m
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