Delta763ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1805 times:
I dissagree with UAL for doing this. Milan Malpensa is Europe's fastest growing airport, so why pull out of a city that will soon become a major gateway in Europe. There again, United-Sinking (not rising).
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
Hey bud! Are you freezing your @ss off up there in MN? I just got back from Ohio today, and it was cold and snowy...nice to be back in 80 degree LA!
You do realize that if you count TWA's codeshares, you also have to count United's, and with the star alliance (and Lufthansa), I'm pretty sure that would beat the pants off TWA in terms of European destinations (but i don't know).
I think ContinentalEWR is smoking crack again. Where did you get this info, ContinentalEWR? When you make claims, it is best to site a source. Or was it just a question, as in "IS United pulling out of MXP?" In which case it is silly for people to be commenting on the question like it is a fact.
Imkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
Clearing up a barrage of misinformation:
United currently flies IAD-MXP daily with alternating 767-300 and 777-200 (non ER) aircraft; I think it depends on the seasons. Historically, the flight used to go IAD-MXP-ROM-IAD, but a few years ago United dropped Rome.
United is currently the second largest carrier over the Atlantic, as measured in RPMs. There was a point recently when UAL actually overtook Delta month-over-month in RPM stats, but that was short-lived. Despite having merely 8 destinations in Europe, UALs traffic figures are continuously on the rise, and the highest load factors in UAL's system is to be found on the transatlantic network. Although it might be that United will now only have 7 destinations, you must understand that US Airways is not even close to being as big as United to Europe, even if they will have more destinations. (A moot point, anyway, since UAL will absorb those flights as part of the merger).
Number of destinations is not a good indicator for airline size. Continental is probably the most "international" of the US 'lines; they've got a helluva lot of international destinations in Europe and Latin America. However, many of those points are served with very low frequencies, many even 1,2,3x weekly; rarely are international destination's served more than once daily.
UAL likes to think its "principle subsidiary" is a businessman's airline. As such, UAL strategists like to have many frequencies in high-yield business markets. This is why United has 91 flights weekly *alone* into LHR. That number of flights to one European destination is more than US Airways' or TWA's number of European flights.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1724 times:
From what I have heard, the flights to Milan are going to B767-300 services and there are no plans to decrease service AT this point through June 2001. That would have to been called by now, as United likes to give at least 6 mos notice on cancellation of international services *unless it's due to catostrophic event or terrorism*
Dellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1092 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
I really think UA is losing ground in Europe! You have to admit, competetion is tough in this market.
UA serves Europe mostly from its tiny little IAD hub. Few flights from ORD and SFO too. UA is almost nothing without LH and SK codeshare in such routes.
The NYC-LON market is undoubtly dominated by BA and AA, with a good VS participation as well. UA´s 4 daily flights really represents good part of their profit in Europe, followed by the German routes.
So don´t intend to put UA in a kind of unreachable place. CO and DL are much more efficient in this market than UA.
Just realize that United did not expand in Europe in the last 5 years, except by code sharing with huge European Airlines.
I don´t have anything against UA, but i just didn´t agree with your "theory".
Imkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
Yes, sadly UAL has been hemorrhaging market share in the Latin American for some time now. UAL doesn't have much international confidence, except to Asia.
However, Dellatore, you assumed wrong. You might also want to take the condescension out of your post-- it's not very pleasant, you dolt (just kidding about the dolt)! I did not state a theory. I stated the fact that UAL is still significantly ahead of CO and AA to Europe as measured by the industry standard measurement of RPMs. Look at the DOT stats and individual airline traffic releases.
Yes, the NYC-LON market is dominated by BA and AA: BA has 7 daily flights, AA has 6 daily. Virgin has (I think) 4. United has 3.
However, United does not have the mere 4 flights into LHR you suggested! United alone has 15 daily flights into London. As of spring next year, the flights will be as follows:
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Travelin' man, someone posted a thread about UA ending MEL and MXP on Sunday and if you read the
topic you ignoramus,
it reads UNITED ENDING MILAN FLIGHTS WITH A
question mark. That means I am asking a
question, not making a statement.
I even ask someone to confirm it so I am not
stating it. Alright? Get a life and read a post
before you respond to it.
Vadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1648 times:
United is not loosing ground in Europe. Remember that United has strong partners in Europe like Lufthansa, SAS, British Midland and Austrian.
These airlines are feeding United hubs in America with thousands of passengers. Maybe the same strategy for Europe, where United feeds Star Alliance partners here for instance in London, Frankfurt, Copenhagen, Vienna and Munich. Milan is not a Star Alliance hub!!!
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (14 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
Leave Travelin Man alone. He is my friend.
Hey dude, yes I am freezing my ass off and I'm totally over this winter thing already (it took me 2.5 hours to get home from work a couple nights ago - normally it takes .5 hour). We've had 3 mild winters and now we're back to typical Minnesota winter bullcrap.
An unexamined life isn't worth living.
: I don't think UA is losing ground in Europe. At AMS they are expanding! The flight to Chicago will become Non-stop (now this flight is AMS-LHR-ORD). A
: From a close friend and UA employee: There are rumors at UA about IAD-Copenhagen sometime in the future. (For possible SAS feed @ Copenhagen). *******
27 Travelin man
: I didn't SAY United was better because they had a round-the-world flight. I AM saying that all this talk about UA retrenching is HIGHLY ironic for an
: how many other airlines schedule Boeing 747-400 aircraft on domestic US routes as well :P :P :P :P anyhow, Melbourne won't be dropped.. just rerouted.
: I'm happy about the flight going thorugh Brisbane. Back to Europe: Personally I would like to see UA expand service in Europe. I think that they shoul
: Unfortunately, I do'nt think United will come to Copenhagen from Washington in the nearest future, simply because SAS has decided to start their own d
: UA won't resume IAD-MAD flights anytime soon. Spanair operates the route up to six times a week and UA code shares with them. As for IAD-FCO, it seems
: Milan Malpensa is currently Europe's fastest growing airport. Alitalia has moved most international traffic to MXP from FCO. Smart move by them since
: I would not be surprised to see United retire from MPX in the future. Actually TWA will pull out as well soon (after 50 years) and Delta was thinking
: I don't think we'll see IAD-CPH for UA since, already mentioned, SAS will start that route. Perhaps a IAD-ARN? . MEL could possibly be rerouted and ad
: PA121, DL serves BOTH MXP and VCE from JFK daily. No flights moving there. Northwest was banking on the KLM/AZ alliance, which collapsed. I bet that t
: ContinentalEWR, Your points are all correct. I actually forgot about American, and in the case of Delta I was not precise. However, I do believe the m