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Qantas Increases Order For 787  
User currently offlineYYZTPA From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 days ago) and read 14805 times:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKN0622209820070706?rpc=44

118 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5148 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14723 times:

I thought they took up these options a while ago?

User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14620 times:

According to Boeing, Qantas has the following firm orders:

787-8 GE 30-Mar-2006 15 - 15
787-9 GE 30-Mar-2006 30 - 30

So these are new! Congrats to Quantas and Boeing!



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1988 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14601 times:
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Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 2):
Congrats to Quantas

Quick better fix that, or risk being banished to A.net purgatory for a cardinal sin of the absolute highest order!



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14512 times:

I'd expect a few more of these types of announcements (airlines firming up options) between now and Sunday. Maybe a few UFO's revealved as well. Since Boeing likes to let the airlines decide when to announce, I'll bet a few will see this as a golden opportunity for some postitive P.R.

User currently offlineCruzinAltitude From United States of America, joined May 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14467 times:

I wonder if this is the first in a series of 787 announcemnts. If so, thats sweet. Airbus ran the PR at Paris, so it's would be nice for Boeing to have a run of orders.

User currently offlineMIT787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14403 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 2):
Quick better fix that, or risk being banished to A.net purgatory for a cardinal sin of the absolute highest order!

Don't be too hard on him...He did spell it right in the first sentence. Also, Boeing made the same error on their "Who's flying the 787" website...All in fun...GO BOEING!!!!!!
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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30397 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14377 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
I thought they took up these options a while ago?

When they placed the original 45 plane order, they noted 20 of their 70 options were guaranteed to be exercised.

And so they have been.  thumbsup 

Now here is to hoping they convert the other 50.  champagne 


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14325 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 1):
I thought they took up these options a while ago?

It was falsely reported in the press months ago that this was the case, but it wasn't the case... until now.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5730 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14210 times:

Any one know which version, -8 , -9?


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User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14167 times:

I guess seeing that the 787 project is running as planned has given confidence to airline and we will probably see more options being firmed up in coming weeks.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5730 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14167 times:

Qantas ordered 20 more 787-9s:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070706a_nr.html



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5730 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14132 times:

Check out the statement:

"We at Boeing are very proud that Qantas Airways has decided to move forward with an order for 20 additional 787-9 Dreamliners plus options. Qantas is a key 787 customer with 45 airplanes currently on order and has a well-deserved reputation as one of the world's premier carriers. Boeing will work closely with Qantas to finalize the order in support of the airline's long-term growth plans."

So it's a new order and not a conversion of options and it's not a final order either.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14028 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
"We at Boeing are very proud that Qantas Airways has decided to move forward with an order for 20 additional 787-9 Dreamliners plus options. Qantas is a key 787 customer with 45 airplanes currently on order and has a well-deserved reputation as one of the world's premier carriers. Boeing will work closely with Qantas to finalize the order in support of the airline's long-term growth plans."

So are these actually for Qantas or are they for JetStar?

Anyway, Keesje, 20 more -9 orders in favor of your theory of 787-9 domination. Still the ratio is around 3.5:1 in favor of the -8 even with these orders tacked in.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13978 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 13):
So are these actually for Qantas or are they for JetStar?

Does it matter much? Same purse in the end, and aircraft could be moved from one fleet to the other if necessary.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5730 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13912 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 14):
Does it matter much? Same purse in the end, and aircraft could be moved from one fleet to the other if necessary.

Agreed, I think these will probably go to Qantas but if JetStar sees a need for the -9 on any particular route it woldn't be a stretch to transfer a few to JetStar.

BTW, with this order (65) Qantas will be the largest operator of the 787 and the second largest buyer (after ILFC who has 74 on order).



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5730 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13911 times:

It also means more business for GEnx and 40 more of those engines, plus options.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5730 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13786 times:

Qantas will also be the largest operator of the 787-9 with 50 of them.


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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13682 times:

Go 789, go Boeing, go Qantas! I still say the 789 will end up being the most popular model.  Smile


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4820 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13501 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 2):
Congrats to Quantas

Q A N T A S

EK413



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3588 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
Q A N T A S

Sorry for the hijack but:

Either spell the name like it sounds, or pronounce the name like it's spelled.

Either it should be pronounced like it is and spelled Quantas, or it should be spelled like it is Qantas and pronounced like the country Qatar.

Darned Australians are soooo difficult and sensitive.


User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12882 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 20):
Either spell the name like it sounds, or pronounce the name like it's spelled.

Either it should be pronounced like it is and spelled Quantas, or it should be spelled like it is Qantas and pronounced like the country Qatar.

English is the worst language in the world for following the rules of spelling and pronunciation. And, since Qantas is actual an acronym rather than a real word, they haven't really done anything wrong language wise anyway.  wink 

Mike


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12806 times:

Despite QF ordering 20 more 787s Mr. Dixon seems to be fond of the A350XWB. Will QF be the next airline to order the 787 and the A350XWB after SQ did?


.............................................................................................................................................................

Dixon did not rule out purchases of the 787's competition, Airbus' A350 XWB (extra wide body).

"We are looking at the A350-1000," Dixon told reporters after the panel discussion, referring to the largest of Airbus' proposed mid-sized A350 family. "It is of great interest to us." Qantas is already a buyer of Airbus' larger A380 superjumbo.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070707/3/34fyx.html

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
It was falsely reported in the press months ago that this was the case, but it wasn't the case... until now.

That's correct. And it's so easy to check the orders on Boeing's website....



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12641 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 20):
Either spell the name like it sounds, or pronounce the name like it's spelled.

Cut us a bit of slack, DLPMMM - people can always type the name in full, 'Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services,' if they prefer.  

Every country has its favourite mispronunciations. When I'm in the States I don't complain about having to say 'Noo Orlins' or 'Da Moyn, Iowa' or 'Hewston' or 'Albakirkee.' When in Rome do as the Romans do.....  

Well done Qantas, anyway - the 787 clearly suits them down to the ground, they're betting the farm on it.

[Edited 2007-07-07 06:55:31]


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User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11651 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 22):
Despite QF ordering 20 more 787s Mr. Dixon seems to be fond of the A350XWB. Will QF be the next airline to order the 787 and the A350XWB after SQ did?

...Possibly but then good business practice is to keep your supplier on their toes by talking up the oppisition....

Quoting Manni (Reply 22):
Dixon did not rule out purchases of the 787's competition, Airbus' A350 XWB (extra wide body).

"We are looking at the A350-1000," Dixon told reporters after the panel discussion, referring to the largest of Airbus' proposed mid-sized A350 family. "It is of great interest to us."

The Problem with the A350-1000 is the performance has to match the brochure. An awful lot is promised(77W killer and all that) yet it is narrower and has 40K less power. I have seen the figure of 30% more fuel efficient than 77W.

Frankly I will believe all this when I see it especially since the 787 is only 20% more efficient than the much older 767.

I recently remember what the A346 was going to do to the 77W. That fell way short in the efficiency stakes and the rest is history.

If the A350-100 gets engineered as per the brochure then good luck to Airbus but I believe their current predicament with the 77W/787 has them promising a little more than they might be able to deliver and as such the Airlines may or should be a little skeptical. In any event time will tell and the decisive factor will be the barrel versus panel approach. Interesting times ahead...................................


25 Danny : If you look at major carriers domination of -9 is more obvious. In addition I believe many -8 will be converted to -9 before being built.
26 Post contains links FXramper : Qantas To Order 70 planes including 20x787+NB Plus Fleet Spin Off (by Jimyvr Jun 28 2007 in Civil Aviation)
27 Post contains images AviationNut : "I couldn't agree with you more,"
28 6thfreedom : Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services How do you propose the change the spelling?
29 Glideslope : Precisely. There is a very large gap these days between the A Brochures and reality. Take the "possible" 2 new 380 operators in 08. Just what are the
30 StickShaker : The members of the Boeing sales team who tried so hard for so long to sell any version of the 777 to QF must be wearing wry smiles when they read thi
31 DLPMMM : As I said, Aussies are soooo sensative (it was light humor). I'll give 3 possible options and don't care which is followed. Option #1: Keep the curre
32 Thorben : The A3510 is certainly interesting for a lot of 787 customers, because of the size. Given that 787 orders are mainly for the -8, I wouldn't rule out
33 Gemuser : We'll take option 4 thanks - "Keep both the current spelling and pronounciation, and keep bitching every time someone misspells Qantas" After 87 year
34 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Hmmm so more 787's for QF ... I wonder if this points them down the road of having 737, 787 & A380 in their mainline fleet , and retire the 744's in d
35 BoeingBus : WOW, can't believe an honest mistake would cause such havoc with a few here. what is up with that? so much sensitivity... For a minute, hmm maybe two,
36 NYC777 : " target=_blank>http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070707/3/....html Yeah this is all posturing talk by Dixon to improve his negotiating position. Why would h
37 Aminobwana : In the shoes of Qantas, I would,,before taking any decision, see if Boeing is willing to develop the B787-10ER or even the B787-8ER (as discussed sho
38 Post contains links A342 : Because he wouldn't have an option. Plus their A380s will be powered by RR, too. More in the related FI article: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles
39 Zeke : This order was known for some time, I was expecting it to be announced at Paris along with some other aircraft for the QF group.
40 Thorben : Haha, I knew some people would be sorry someday for having ordered the 787.
41 Post contains images BoomBoom : Don't count your chickens before they hatch. "Interest" doesn't necessarily indicate "fondness".
42 SirOmega : Hmmm.. so now they're only 125 planes away from that magical number.. 787.
43 Baroque : So you are happy with Quantas order Boing planes I suppose?
44 Stitch : That is about the crux of it. The 777-200A was not as good as the A330-300 for the short-to-medium haul services so QF ordered that, and I think both
45 DrExotica : Works fine for me Baroque. Watching some of the hothouse flowers on this forum is pretty entertaining...
46 Post contains links and images Manni : Hmm, I expected this reply as soon as I started typing that post, because I've read a similar reply before... http://www.airliners.net/discussions...
47 Post contains images 7cubed : Yep, so sorry they ordered 20 more
48 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..that's what I was thinking..but I'm sure Thorben will have some good spin to it...
49 Thorben : Well, now they are stuck with it.
50 Post contains images MCIGuy : My god, man, that makes absolutely no sense at all! "We regret buying this product, so much so we went out and bought more"! Yeah, that makes great b
51 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-expands-order-to-65-aircraft.html I noticed this: Qantas CEO Geoff Dixon has also called on Boeing to formally
52 JayinKitsap : Also in this article it explains that Qantas has exercised its 20 plane option bringing the firm to 65 and also converted 20 purchase rights to optio
53 MCIGuy : I wouldn't be at all surprised to see QF as the launch customer for 789ER and 7810ER.
54 Stitch : A 787-9LR - Yes. A 787-10ER - Not so sure. They didn't want the 777-200ER or 777-200LR and a 787-10ER would cover that market nicely. I do, however,
55 Thorben : No, switching now would make no sense due to high related cost and later delivery. In addition fleet commonality and low price for those already sign
56 Post contains images MCIGuy : Funny you should put it that way. Boeing has changed the way they do things forever. I think they'll go straight to the "LR" designation for the exte
57 Post contains images Halophila : Careful!!!!!!! Yes, we are sensitive - to others, to world issues, about our image abroad etc Difficult? Well better that than easy I guess... my ex
58 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..those slots right now are worth a fortune..they don't have any in their fleet anyway so there wouldn't be any problems with "commonality"..and who'
59 Post contains images ContnlEliteCMH : LOL!!!! Thanks for the best laugh I'll probably have today! I can't figure which is funnier: the fact that these words' pronunciation are so far remo
60 Post contains images Stitch : I look at it kind of like the 747-400 ands 747-400ER. The base model already had ~7300nm of range and the "ER" added about another 400nm to that. So
61 Jbernie : Well I was close, in the thread about orders for 07/08/07 I wondered if QF would firm up its options. Shame they didn't do it on right day though.
62 Boeing767-300 : Then Manni you won't be suprised then by that. The fact remains that SQ took forever to firm up their 20 A350. I believe the SQ A350/ A330 lease deal
63 Thorben : It would cost them a fortune to keep their 767s five years longer. Commonality in the sense of getting 45 or how many 787s and then adding A350s of t
64 Baroque : I am just surprised that Nav did not offer a modest prize for the visitor from the US that can pronounce Melbourne properly. We have had many ambassa
65 StickShaker : QF were part of the group of airline customers that convinced (pushed ?) Boeing to increase the gross weight of the 789 to give it extra range. Long
66 NAV20 : Since both the 788 and 789 have longer ranges than Qantas' 744s, Baroque, I would expect eventually to see them deployed on all or virtually all curr
67 Gemuser : I don't think this follows. QF have stated that the first 30 QF B787s WILL replace the current B763s, so you will see them initially on Cityflyer, Ta
68 Post contains links NAV20 : That's very much at odds with what Qantas themselves are saying, Gemuser:- "Qantas has selected the Boeing 787 as the cornerstone of its domestic and
69 Baroque : Something tells me you are right Gemuser. Nav correctly quotes the list of goodies, but somehow I wonder. The choice of GEs could suggest Nav is corr
70 Post contains links Gemuser : Sure, if you go back thru the press releases you can defend both sides of the argument, you quoted the latest. Earlier they said its strict replaceme
71 StickShaker : I disagree completely. There is no point in placing a massive order (115) for state of the art long haul aircraft only to deploy them on regional rou
72 Post contains images PM : Actually, the A350XWB has already sold more than the MD-11 had when it went out of production. Since it won't enter service for another six years I s
73 N328KF : Wow, you are just so...rich. Dixon obviously didn't have a gun to his head when he ordered these...just like he didn't have a gun to his head when he
74 Jacobin777 : ...yes....it seems as if other carriers are getting the A350xwb for the prices of the older A350's..it would be a better deal for QF.... ...no it wou
75 Post contains links and images NAV20 : According to the links/discussion on this thread, ANA are planning to put two 787s on their Tokyo services to Frankfurt/JFK, replacing single 747s. F
76 Jbernie : I agree, I am thinking QF is not wanting to broadcast its intentions too soon, they are still a year or more away from seeing the first 787, no need
77 Aminobwana : I will dare to make a forecast: As QF has stated that they will purchase on the end 115 B787, meaning that orders for 50 frames are still open, if th
78 Post contains images Baroque : I just compared the company announcement (pretty bare) with this mornings papers (787 orders but quite a bit of speculation). One of the issues raise
79 Danny : Only those who committed to older A350. Qantas was close to it but as they said last minute price cut won it for 787 so I am sure they have a good de
80 Bringiton : With so many A350-900's sold for now , and the A350-1000 EIS being in 2015 boeing can wait till perhaps 2013-2014 to deliver Qantas a 787-10 if they
81 Aminobwana : Where they mentioned Boeing's price cut ?? I agree. Therefore i am sure that such modified 787-10 will, if the quantity justify it, be implemented (s
82 Gemuser : This AGAIN!!! QF DOES NOT "NEED" an aircraft between the B787 & A380! They may decide that an aircraft in this size would be a good business decision
83 Danny : QF already disagreed with you indicating that they want 787-10 and will go with XWB-1000 should Boeing fail to deliver it.
84 Zeke : They operate A330s which seat 297 people, which is more than the 763 at 254 people, they will also have 744s in service which will seat around 412 pa
85 Zeke : Got to go back a long long way, been discussed on here a long before you joined a.net. QF got significant discounts for being one of the initial cust
86 Keesje : Help me out: wouldn't a 787 to match A350-1000 be more like a "787-11"? The 787-10 I have sen sofar seems more of a A350-900XWB / B777-200ER competit
87 Post contains images Danny : That is true, however Qantas may be flexible to go with somewhat smaller 787-10 for the sake of commonality or with bigger XWB-1000 if they decide to
88 Zeke : Yes your observations about passenger numbers would be correct about the 787-11 and A350-1000, but range and payload would be an issue with the GEnx
89 Baroque : Is there any truth that the 350-1100 will be renamed the 2100 to indicate its EIS? Seriously, there might be a case for something over and beyond the
90 Stitch : In general, yes. A 787-10 will be about 5% smaller then an A350-1000 in cabin floor size, so it could be possible for QF to fit 350 seats in it if th
91 Zeke : I am personally doubting any 787-11, I feel they will be pretty we much geometry limited as it is with the 787-10 for takeoff and landing (tailscrape
92 NYC777 : Have to agree there. The 787-10 and the A350-900 are matched up against each other with about 310-330 pax each. Boeing would have to stretch the 787
93 Kbdude : So this thread went down a few tangents... So, the QF additional 20x789 order is not yet firm... and therefore not yet added to the current 677 firm o
94 Stitch : Well the HGW 787s will likely need additional ground clearance for larger diameter fans (unless GE and RR can improve the thrust without it. GE did w
95 Post contains links NAV20 : To be finalised over the next month, according to Dixon:- http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...940-DBE8-4AB6-995A-60BD098A0E2C%7D It's apparently 20
96 Jacobin777 : ...the B787-10 will have around a 50 seat stretch over the -9..how that works in terms of extra space needed, that can be approximated quite accurate
97 Gemuser : Not really, so far its all talk. I refer you to the "talk" about QF ordering the B777, that went on for the better part of a decade. I will only beli
98 Zeke : 340 ???????
99 Shenzhen : Actually, this is the price that Airbus offered the A350 with engines. Qantas receiverd a good discount, but still not as good as the launch customer
100 Post contains images Aminobwana : We should agree to call, independently how easy or difficult would be to develop it: B7811 : a B787 basin technology aircraft more or less similar as
101 Post contains images Gemuser : Sorry A380, of course! Gemuser
102 Zeke : Not what I was told, and you are basically saying the A350OG airframes were offered at 30 million each which is laughable, Access Intelligence had th
103 Shenzhen : The only thing I can tell you is that you were wrong, and you are still wrong. Boeing's proposal to Qantas was without engines, Airbus' was with engi
104 ANstar : I doubt QF will bring the A330-300's back on domestic ops. Theyw ere a failure the first time round so I doubt they will make the same mistake twice.
105 A342 : Now I need a little bit of explanation. The 787 can't have been on any list before 2004, right?
106 Stitch : I suppose I can dig through Access Intelligence's site to confirm this, but the earlier prices would most likely have been Boeing estimates for the 7
107 Shenzhen : Or simply a result of a guess. Please do remember that the Access Intelligence is only guessing also. Cheers
108 DrExotica : Baroque - I can't stand it - I ... must ... try ... Is it appropriately pronounced Mel' - burn (emphasis on Mel)? If I accidentally happened to get i
109 Post contains images Stitch : I expect it's a well-researched and well-grounded guess, however.
110 Post contains images NAV20 : Hi, DrExotica. 'Melbun', as in 'Brisbun.' The last syllable is pronounced the same way as the one in 'Boston' - or should I say 'Bawstun'?  [Edited
111 Post contains links Zeke : Shenzhen, For your next homework assignment, in 2000 words or less describe the effect of the The Cape Town Convention on International Interests in
112 Ikramerica : MEL-bin BAHS-tun NEW YAWK NAH-lins etc.
113 Post contains links and images Aminobwana : Complementing the above quoted, posted 7/9, see the Article of ATW 7/10 http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=9486 "At 787 unveiling, airl
114 Shenzhen : Quite strange. Not sure what any International Convention has to do with you miss quoting a price that Qantas paid Boeing for the 787 airplanes they
115 Baroque : Well you have it from the horse's pen, well keyboard. Your "Mel'burn" could have been right or so close nobody would notice, but as Nav says the last
116 Post contains images NAV20 : Just as well you weren't working in 'Arkansaw', Baroque,,,,,
117 DAYflyer : Thats what I thought too from the specs that were running around on this board. If Dixon decides to order the A-350, then obviously his airline has d
118 Baroque : That is easy compared with Wichita and Ouachitas not to mention a whole stack of related geological terms.
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