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Air Tahiti Nui Crews Suspended For Drug Dealing  
User currently offlineAswissinmad From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 148 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9834 times:

According to RFO Television, 20 percent of Air Tahiti Nui's Crews have been suspended and charged for drug traficking..

http://www.rfo.fr/dep.php?dep=070707092157.9roa8dgz

(sorry could only find it in French)
Apparently they bought extasy, cocaine and canabis in the USA to re-sell it in Tahiti. In 2005 already, one of their pilots was arrested for drug dealing and condemned to 15 months in jail. He was also suspected of flying LAX-PPT under extasy.

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User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9808 times:

It's not 20%, I think there are more than 450 flight attendants working for ATN. What a pity, they wasted their jobs and now they're giving a very bad image of a company which didn't need that. Shame on them.

And now to make things worse, f/a unions might decide to go on strike to protest against the decision to fire them. It's incredible.

EDIT: I've checked the figures, in 2006 there were 391 f/as at ATN, but I'm rather sure there are more than 400 now.

[Edited 2007-07-07 21:47:45]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Shame, I always find stories like this very troubling. Almost all airline employees worldwide are hard working honest individuals and stories like this helps create a negative impression of the industry.

User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9653 times:

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 1):
It's not 20%

The article says 20%. Why is it not?



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 1):
And now to make things worse, f/a unions might decide to go on strike to protest against the decision to fire them. It's incredible.

Don't these flight attendants need to be fired if they are convicted of a drug charge? I think in the United States flight attendants have to be fired under those circumstances. I know a WN flight attendant was fired after she testified during the Danielle van Dam murder trial that she used marijuana.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

Quoting Aswissinmad (Thread starter):
According to RFO Television, 20 percent of Air Tahiti Nui's Crews have been suspended and charged for drug traficking

That is actually shocking...

Quoting Aswissinmad (Thread starter):
Apparently they bought extasy, cocaine and canabis in the USA to re-sell it in Tahiti. In 2005 already, one of their pilots was arrested for drug dealing and condemned to 15 months in jail. He was also suspected of flying LAX-PPT under extasy.

Maybe they were bring the drugs back to Tahiti to raise money for TN!  duck 

-JD


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
Don't these flight attendants need to be fired if they are convicted of a drug charge? I think in the United States flight attendants have to be fired under those circumstances

In the UK also. Your airline would have no choice but to fire you. Any drug related charges automatically fails you for a 'criminal record check' which is needed to gain an airside pass to work at any UK airport.


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
Don't these flight attendants need to be fired if they are convicted of a drug charge?

Of course they do, I meant it's incredible that unions dare file a complaint against ATN's management and decide to go on strike. To fire them is the minimum ! They're compromising their own health, which is not the main problem, and the safety of passengers.

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 3):
The article says 20%. Why is it not?

33 f/as = less than 8.5% of all f/as. Surely not 20%.


User currently offlineASWISSinMAD From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
The article says 20%. Why is it not



Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
33 f/as = less than 8.5% of all f/as. Surely not 20%.

Where does it say 33 f/a's in the article? I only read "several dozens" and "20%"


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9344 times:

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
33 f/as = less than 8.5% of all f/as. Surely not 20%.

In any case it is one to many..

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 7):
Of course they do, I meant it's incredible that unions dare file a complaint against ATN's management and decide to go on strike. To fire them is the minimum ! They're compromising their own health, which is not the main problem, and the safety of passengers.

Sad thing is that it has just ruined the reputation of an already struggling airline..

-JD


User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 9194 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
I know a WN flight attendant was fired after she testified during the Danielle van Dam murder trial that she used marijuana.

WN must have a weak flight attendant union then because I know from my own personal experience that you are allowed one chance by the government to clean yourself up. My own company fired me several years ago for tampering with my urine sample. I filed an appeal with my union and was reinstated with back pay and have been a good boy ever since. We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

pualani


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
WN must have a weak flight attendant union then because I know from my own personal experience that you are allowed one chance by the government to clean yourself up.

 crazy   crazy 
Why should a third party be charged to clean a drug addicted employee up?

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
My own company fired me several years ago for tampering with my urine sample.

 eyepopping 

The firing should have not been contested as it was drug related. Being a Flight Attendant you are in a safety sensitive position, the fact alone that someone was rehired after urine tampering is scary!

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
I filed an appeal with my union and was reinstated with back pay and have been a good boy ever since.

 thumbsdown   thumbsdown 
Amazing, no wonder why Flight Attendants love the unions so much.. You can be addicted to drugs and be re-hired?

Wonder how many ex-druggies are in charge of our safety?

Is it any wonder the US has such a crappy reputation for flight crews?  stirthepot 

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

Different rules apply to different nations..

-JD


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1305 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8979 times:

Quoting ASWISSinMAD (Reply 8):
Where does it say 33 f/a's in the article?

Sorry, I should've made myself clearer. It was reported in Tahiti's newspapers that 33 f/as got suspended.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 9):
In any case it is one to many..

I agree with you on this point...

TN really didn't need that !


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8927 times:
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Ia Orana all !!!

I am not going to say much about this whole story that is hitting the news like there is no tomorrow as TN crew managment is reading this and I know they already hate me for having critized their management !!! Anyway...

I have spoken to the union leaders as we have the same union at Air France and I believe that their point of view is justifiable.
First of all the union does not agree with drug trafficking or taking any kind of drugs. Why have they expressed their disagreement with the airline is because TN is going ahead with firing all 33 crew members, yet the crew members haven't been heard by the justice department and haven't appeared in court. Remember that until proven so, no one is guilty.
The union agrees with firing anyone that has been proven guilty as soon the the court decides so not before, that's all.
Now if you don't agree it's fine. I do hope that they will fire all of the bad apples and quick !
I also wish ATN all the success they deserve and that the good people will continue to work hard !

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



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User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Why should a third party be charged to clean a drug addicted employee up?

Depending on circumstances, and of course, the drugs themselves, drug/alcohol addictions may be considered a health issue/handicap. In that regard, it's like an illness, and would be treated as one.

It's funny to get upset about drugs though, because few people truly have drug issues. Alcohol, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter, and in my mind a much bigger safety issue.


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 14):
Depending on circumstances, and of course, the drugs themselves, drug/alcohol addictions may be considered a health issue/handicap. In that regard, it's like an illness, and would be treated as one.

It's funny to get upset about drugs though, because few people truly have drug issues. Alcohol, on the other hand, is an entirely different matter, and in my mind a much bigger safety issue.

Alcohol should never be referred to in an "on the other hand" manner. It's a drug like ecstasy and heroin that is strongly addictive over time and does enormous damage. And the same can be said for tobacco. As a safety issue alcohol is at least as dangerous as heroin or ecstasy due to ready access to it, and due to the marketing forces promoting its' use -- and from which our governments happily take huge wads of cash.

Substance abuse and dependency is a health/medical issue, and, IMHO, not a crime. And should be dealt with as such.



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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

Quoting Pualani (Reply 10):
WN must have a weak flight attendant union then because I know from my own personal experience that you are allowed one chance by the government to clean yourself up. My own company fired me several years ago for tampering with my urine sample. I filed an appeal with my union and was reinstated with back pay and have been a good boy ever since. We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

I too have flown into PPT for over 5 years with NZ and i have to say that crew member must of been doing something suspicious to get a full body search or its just a story that has been blown out of proportion .. Full body searches are only done if there is a reason ie suspicion of drugs on the person !!! Our crews used to go there all the time and NEVER have i heard of anything like that at all .. If anything PPT and the police were always VERY relaxed mind you after leaving LAX anything is relaxed ..



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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 16):
We also fly to PPT and I have heard at least one of my co-workers has been stripped searched for drugs. It was a traumatic experience as she was cavity searched by a male police and after she said in essence she felt like she was raped.

I find it strange: first, in French law drug oriented thorough searches are to be done only by customs officers not police, then, only doctors can do "cavity" searches...not officers
if this story truly happened, that was rape indeed



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

Quoting Aswissinmad (Thread starter):
He was also suspected of flying LAX-PPT under extasy.

I had a guy in the army who was constantly on speed and extacy. I highly doubt that the pilot could have come on board on drugs. If he had taken them during flight someone should have recogniced something or the F/O was on extacy too.

What a flight!  Smile


User currently offlineA340313X From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

I'd like to point out that trafficking does not in any way equate to personal use or addiction. The blatent lack of knowlege regardng this subject displayed by some here is nothing short of hilarious.

User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
You can be addicted to drugs and be re-hired?

Wonder how many ex-druggies are in charge of our safety?

A positive urine sample does not prove addiction.
Ever wonder how many current alcoholics are in charge of your safety?


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 20):
A positive urine sample does not prove addiction.

The fact that a Flight Attendant purposely tainted a urine sample, is and of itself a sign of an addictive behavior..

-JD


User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Why should a third party be charged to clean a drug addicted employee up?

Most unions have an EAP (employee assistance program) .Just one of the benefits that I get for paying my union dues for the last 21 years.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
The firing should have not been contested as it was drug related. Being a Flight Attendant you are in a safety sensitive position, the fact alone that someone was rehired after urine tampering is scary!

Who made you judge,jury and executioner ? When I tampered, it was counted as a false positive. So there fore, I should have been put into rehab but was not. After I was reinstated, I went to 6 months of rehab and that was followed by 5 years of random urine tests. Sometimes it was every other week or monthly, ALL CLEAN!

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Amazing, no wonder why Flight Attendants love the unions so much.. You can be addicted to drugs and be re-hired?

Wonder how many ex-druggies are in charge of our safety?

I actually do love my union,they came through for me when I really needed them. I think you are sorely lacking in compassion if you can write someone off without giving them a chance to correct themselves. They are quite a few ex- addicts flying now at my airline having completed the rehab program. Some went back to using but most cleaned their lifves up and are great flight attendants.

pualani


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4882 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 5):
Maybe they were bring the drugs back to Tahiti to raise money for TN

hahah

TN did not need this at all, very sad to hear. What puzzles me is that most people go to French Polynesia to relax, unwind and take it easy, not to get all whacked out on E. Kind of odd.

As for the pilot being suspected of flying JFK-LAX while on E, that is simply f*cking ridiculous. I really really hope that's not true.

YOWza



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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 23):
As for the pilot being suspected of flying JFK-LAX while on E, that is simply f*cking ridiculous. I really really hope that's not true.

I think the flight was Los Angeles to Paris?

-JD


25 EDICHC : A cavity search should only be performed by a medical practitioner as this is a proceduere that carries a small but significant risk. In addition cav
26 Nzrich : I would put money on this never ever happened !! For a start the poster is from HNL now if a American carriers crew member was subject to this kind o
27 EDICHC : I would agree with you there. I have grave doubts about the accuracy of this tale.
28 Ken4556 : Drug use and drug tracifficating are two different things. Most empolyers will give you a second chance if you enter rehab and get help for drug use.
29 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : 100% Agreed Very well put as well. I have a feeling the "story" about the Hawaiian Airlines Flight Attendant having a cavity search in Tahiti was not
30 Post contains images HALFA : While I will not attempt to defend my coworkers claim of a colleague being "cavity" searched in PPT, I will say from personal experience that the cus
31 MD11Engineer : The only exception would be if the seller is an adict himself and sells some of the stuff to finance his own addiction (mostly small time street deal
32 Post contains links FLYGUY767 : From experience, I can again attest to the fact that I have never seen a overly cautious, or angry Tahitian Customs Official. If there ever was such
33 Post contains images AA61Hvy : Air Tahiti's new tag line: Fly Air Tahiti-we're high before we even leave the ground No disrespect to the airline, I love their paint scheme!
34 Tundra767 : I can tell you from my flying expierence as a crewmember on charters to PPT that customs did a very through check of all the crew members bags. Infact
35 SkyexRamper : Maybe they should pay their crews more and they wouldn't be trying to make extra cash on the side.
36 FLYGUY767 : So in other words one of your crewmembers stole champagne off of the aircraft? Do you work for OAI or Hawaiian Airlines? Sorry, your last statement m
37 Tundra767 :
38 FLYGUY767 : Forgive me if my response seems rude, but a few things are not making sense with what you are saying. To start your profile says that you live in the
39 Laxintl : ATA has operated subservice on behalf of Air Tahiti Nui.
40 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : Sorry, about that.. Question, what equipment did they use? That is making me wonder even more as TZ hasnt hired in a while, and the age on the profil
41 Laxintl : L-1011
42 FLYGUY767 : Interesting when did this happen? -JD
43 Tundra767 : [Edited 2007-07-09 22:57:38]
44 FLYGUY767 : Great, thanks for the information... Have you worked the DC-10-30 yet? Very good, thanks for the clarification! -JD
45 Post contains images HALFA : Can't say that I've ever seen an "angry" Tahitian Customs Official either. Ones temperament has no bearing on ones ability to perform their job. Just
46 Pualani : Are you just ignorant or do you have some mental disability ? ALL U.S airlines have recovering addicts, whether it is painkillers, hard drugs,or weed
47 FLYGUY767 : Re-read what I wrote. Your spin on things is rather different than what is fact in reality. To start I said that I have never had, nor can I ever rem
48 Pualani : Why don't you reread what I wrote, she told me she felt like she was being raped. I don't remember if any legal action took place but I do know that
49 FLYGUY767 : Try not to detract from the topic.. Back to what we were discussing TN and their crews suspended after drug trafficing. The whole reason that we are
50 Pualani : FLYGUY767 has now posted 818 posts and counting....addiction.....do you think he needs an intervention ? I only brought up what I wrote is because wha
51 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : Okay, this site is a bit on the addictive side... I admit it! Aside from that I apologize if I have seemed to be mean to you, or anything of that mat
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