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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

The following airlines have requested slots for new routes at MUC for winter 2007/2008. Hopefully most of that will come true, but I'm sceptical with some.


GF wants to serve BAH daily with an A332!

EI wants to start a daily ORK service with A320.

AB wants to begin MXP service with F100.

LH wants to serve RLG (multiple times?) daily with a CRJ. Spot on Flying-Tiger, and welcome to my RU list!
(Interestingly, OLT still wants to serve RLG)

U2 to restart the BSL route? They also want to serve LYS and EMA!

LT wants to fly charters to RKT with A332.

4U wants to start DTM service.

AP wants to start CRJ900 flights to BRI and PMO.



On the freight side, BA World Cargo has already started a weekly STN-MUC-DEL-HKG service, operated with 747F (don't know the operator).

TK also wants to start a weekly IST service with A310F.



Any questions, corrections, additions and comments are welcome.

A342


Exceptions confirm the rule.
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User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Great News for MUC this. MUC is starting more and more to beocme a big gateway in Europe!!


Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight: AMS-FRA-AMS
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting DALCA (Reply 1):
MUC is starting more and more to beocme a big gateway in Europe!!

As it deserves to be...their airport is top notch, truly amazing - it's my favorite in Europe, maybe the world, as far as being easy to get to, get around, and change planes in. Munich itself is a fantastic city too, and with more and more people visiting Germany each year since reunification, it's only going to get busier!

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
AP wants to start CRJ900 flights to BRI and PMO.

I have to say that one surprises the heck out of me. Not to say it won't work, I bet it will, it's just an interesting one in my eyes. But my question is, why MUC to BRI and PMO as opposed to MUC to one of their hubs like LIN or FCO? My guess is to tap a niche route for vacationers?


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 2):
I have to say that one surprises the heck out of me. Not to say it won't work, I bet it will, it's just an interesting one in my eyes. But my question is, why MUC to BRI and PMO as opposed to MUC to one of their hubs like LIN or FCO? My guess is to tap a niche route for vacationers?

Well, they codeshare with LH and will be (or already are?) a Star Alliance member. So I suppose the want to complement LH's flights, not compete with them. (BTW, LH recently stopped MUC-BRI)



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 3):
Well, they codeshare with LH and will be (or already are?) a Star Alliance member.

Oh ok, gotcha, that makes sense.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
The following airlines have requested slots for new routes at MUC for winter 2007/2008

requesting slots doesn't have to mean a thing. in many cases, they are place holders for other routes.

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
LH wants to serve RLG (multiple times?) daily with a CRJ. Spot on Flying-Tiger, and welcome to my RU list!
(Interestingly, OLT still wants to serve RLG)

don't wanna bust any bubbles, but this one is not gonna happen. see above for why

routes to RLG have failed miserably in the past, and that won't change soon.



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 5):
requesting slots doesn't have to mean a thing. in many cases, they are place holders for other routes.

Maybe, but for example, where could GF fly from MUC, if not to BAH? Some of these are good indications.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
additions and comments are welcome.

SA started its new MUC service 3 times a week until October. Then it will become daily for one month and after that it will be a 4 weekly service, MUC-JNB to be on day 1357 and JNB-MUC on 1246 only vs the intended daily services.



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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
AB wants to begin MXP service with F100.

Maybe do you mean BGY? AB doesn't fly to MXP


User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
On the freight side, BA World Cargo has already started a weekly STN-MUC-DEL-HKG service, operated with 747F (don't know the operator).

Operator is GSS (glabal supply solutions) based at STN, 3 x 747-400F leased from Atlas Air anjd placed on the Uk register as G-SSSA B C.
Occasionally replaced by Atlas Air 747 Family.


 wave 



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 8):
Maybe do you mean BGY? AB doesn't fly to MXP

Officially, the have requested the slots to fly to MXP, but let's wait and see.

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 7):
SA started its new MUC service 3 times a week until October. Then it will become daily for one month and after that it will be a 4 weekly service, MUC-JNB to be on day 1357 and JNB-MUC on 1246 only vs the intended daily services.



Quoting BBJII (Reply 9):
Operator is GSS (glabal supply solutions) based at STN, 3 x 747-400F leased from Atlas Air anjd placed on the Uk register as G-SSSA B C.

Thanks for this info.
BBJII, do you happen to know how the return flight is routed? I heard something about BOM...



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):

GSS routes

BOM Thursday, 01:40 MUC Thursday, 11:45 **
BOM Thursday, 01:40 STN Thursday, 06:30
BOM Saturday, 12:40 FRA Saturday, 23:00 **
BOM Saturday, 12:40 STN Saturday, 17:30


Freighter Services
Origin Departure Date * Destination Arrival Date *
DEL Monday, 15:40 HKG Monday, 23:05
DEL Monday, 04:30 STN Monday, 09:00
DEL Wednesday, 07:15 FRA Wednesday, 16:35 **
DEL Wednesday, 07:15 STN Wednesday, 11:45
DEL Friday, 02:00 HKG Friday, 09:25
DEL Friday, 01:40 STN Friday, 06:10


for more info use this link: http://www.baworldcargo.com/schedule/SummerSchedule/code/index.html

Look for shcedules based on the departure airport:

Flight not to/from LHR will be GSS. e.g. BOM-HKG or DEL-STN
DEL Saturday, 07:30 FRA Saturday, 17:30 **
DEL Saturday, 07:30 STN Saturday, 12:20



Remember: The Bird Hit You, You Didn't Hit The Bird.....
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 11):
for more info use this link: http://www.baworldcargo.com/schedule....html

Ok, thanks a lot!



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
Maybe, but for example, where could GF fly from MUC, if not to BAH? Some of these are good indications.

now that is a very simplistic view of things. of course, in this case, you are right. but obviously, local airlines such as LH and AB have a broader choice of destinations in order disguise the opening of strategic new destinations.



If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4746 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
GF wants to serve BAH daily with an A332!

well the ceo and other company officials are going on and on about launching ZRH & PVG this winter and now this surprise comes up...its no secret in the airline industry that GF loses a lot of $$$ on its FRA route and I feel that at MUC the same trend will continue as competing against EK double daily & QR daily flights who have a wider selection of connecting cities via their respective hubs is going to make the BAH-MUC route a loss maker for GF.

GF should not waste its time opening new EU/UK routes and should concentrate on its core markets. The only long haul destination worth experimenting with from BAH is China.


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