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787 Windows. Are They Any Different?  
User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20863 times:

I thought the windows of the 787 would be different. They look pretty similar from what is being done. Does anyone know the actual size of the 787 windows and the size of other aircraft? Thanks.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20818 times:

YES! THEY ARE BIGGER! I'M SHOUTING because maybe it will sink in that way.

The cockpit windows are also bigger. Huge, making the other windows not look as big.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31012 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20785 times:
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Over 18". They are a good deal larger then the 777's, which are the largest in current service.

User currently offlineEchster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20785 times:

Click on the "Inside The Plane" tab.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/boeing/787/787primer.asp


User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20785 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
YES! THEY ARE BIGGER! I'M SHOUTING because maybe it will sink in that way.

The cockpit windows are also bigger. Huge, making the other windows not look as big.

The Windows on a Ghost plane can be any size you can imagine.  rotf 


User currently offlineAA757200 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20698 times:

Quoting A380900 (Thread starter):
I thought the windows of the 787 would be different. They look pretty similar from what is being done. Does anyone know the actual size of the 787 windows and the size of other aircraft?

Have you tried the boeing website, or does someone else have to do the heavy lifting for you? 787 windows will be the largest in the industry. A higher eye level will give the passenger a better horizon view. The windows will not have traditional shades. They are made from electrochromic glass, which dims at the touch of a button.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20664 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 4):
The Windows on a Ghost plane can be any size you can imagine.

ROFL

Quoting Echster (Reply 3):
Click on the "Inside The Plane" tab.

Cool. Thanks.

And anyone who's flown the 777 knows those windows are already nicely sized. Even the 744 windows are sized okay and located at a good height for looking out.

The 787 with 18" tall windows will offer me (a tall guy) a good view without craning. So I'm happy.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20592 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
They are a good deal larger then the 777's, which are the largest in current service.

I thought the DC-10 and MD-11 windows were larger than those on the 777. They always seemed significantly larger to me but I don't have the actual dimensions handy.


User currently offlineGivenRandy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20430 times:

I was wondering about the windows, too. Looking at the inside-the-cabin, the interior of the windows look huge. But, the size of the hole in the skin doesn't look nearly as big.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20377 times:

Quoting A380900 (Thread starter):
I thought the windows of the 787 would be different.

Yes... as said above they are bigger. Nearly 2x larger then the A380's.... plus they offer individual and transparent shading. A feature until now only seen on business jets.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20281 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
Nearly 2x larger then the A380's

no way.

they are only about 30% larger than the 777 windows. are the A380 windows that much smaller than the 777 windows? i thought they were nearly the same...



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20102 times:

I could be wrong, and this is NOT meant as a slam, but I've always percieved Airbus' windows to be smaller, at least the models I've flown on, which isn't every model.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19990 times:

there must be a table that lists all the windows. it's not classified information...


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User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19976 times:

Quoting AA757200 (Reply 5):
They are made from electrochromic glass, which dims at the touch of a button.

Lovely... When the electrochromic window dimmer malfunctions then pax will have another reason to demand compensation from the airlines.

JUST KIDDING!! I'm only satirizing how we Americans complain too much. duck  flamed 

Besides, Boeing's high quality manufacturing standards will certainly make the above a non-issue. So go ahead and call me a  butthead .

Quoting Echster (Reply 3):
Click on the "Inside The Plane" tab.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/boeing/787/787primer.asp

Thanks for that URL - lots of cool info about the Dreamliner!



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19933 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
The cockpit windows are also bigger. Huge, making the other windows not look as big.

Are you sure about that?
















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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19879 times:

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 13):
Lovely... When the electrochromic window dimmer malfunctions then pax will have another reason to demand compensation from the airlines.

Just to note, from a purely mechanical standpoint, these windows are actually far simpler. Just a dial and a low voltage circuit supplying power to the glass. The dial is the only moving part in the whole system.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19851 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 14):
Are you sure about that?

you show a picture of an L1011 without any reference and what is your point?

Yes, the cockpit windows on the 787 are huge, thus they make the side windows look smaller.

Same goes for the L1011 in your pic. look how tiny the side windows look...



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9109 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19677 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Over 18". They are a good deal larger then the 777's, which are the largest in current service.

AFAIK they are 19"x11" and smaller than those on the DC8, which were 18"x14.5".



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19604 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
you show a picture of an L1011 without any reference and what is your point?

His point was that the L-1011 had a big windscreen and was reputed to have the best field of view of any airliner ever built (okay, that's my point, thought I'd just tag that in).


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19571 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
no way.

they are only about 30% larger than the 777 windows. are the A380 windows that much smaller than the 777 windows? i thought they were nearly the same...

They're not. They seemed to be about the same size as the 777, or thereabouts. I'd be shocked if the 787 windows were twice as big as the 380 windows.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 11):
I could be wrong, and this is NOT meant as a slam, but I've always percieved Airbus' windows to be smaller, at least the models I've flown on, which isn't every model.

You're not wrong - the 320, 330 and 340 have relatively small windows compared to the competing Boeing products. The windows on the 380 are bigger (though smaller than the 787), and there is no reason to believe that the 350 won't have larger windows as well (whether they match the 787 remains to be seen).

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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19555 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 9):
plus they offer individual and transparent shading. A feature until now only seen on business jets

Out of interest does anybody know then if the FA's can control this function?? I guess they would need to for takeoff and landings and also at other times.

Also what are the chances of it not working?? i mean i would hate to be in the seat with the one that doesnt dim and im trying to get some shut eye!!


User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19449 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
Yes, the cockpit windows on the 787 are huge, thus they make the side windows look smaller.

Same goes for the L1011 in your pic. look how tiny the side windows look...

I got the impression that the 747's cockpit windows were larger than any other. It's just that in visual perspective, the sheer size of the aircraft and/or the angle of the glass with respect to the pilots' seating positions hide this fact. Are the Dreamliner's or L-1011's cockpit windows larger than the 747's? Thanks


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 19386 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
you show a picture of an L1011 without any reference and what is your point?

That's exactly my point - you said:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
The cockpit windows are also bigger.

Bigger than what? Bigger than the 777 cockpit windows? Bigger than everything else before? Even bigger than those of the L1011. A reference to what you refer with bigger would have been nice.

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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2214 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19156 times:

Quoting A380900 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know the actual size of the 787 windows

787 windows are 10.5" x 18" spaced 24" apart
777 windows are 10.5" x 15.3" spaced 21" apart

So, compared to the 777, each window is ~20% larger, but there are 13% fewer of them for a given length of the cabin. This gives the 787 window belt ~5% more glass area than the 777 window belt, per unit length of the aircraft. So yes, they are bigger... just not as huge as the interior mockups initially suggested.


User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18905 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):

Just to note, from a purely mechanical standpoint, these windows are actually far simpler. Just a dial and a low voltage circuit supplying power to the glass. The dial is the only moving part in the whole system.

far simpler than a sliding shade? Sure, they are not nearly as advanced and technical as some would believe, but to say 'from a mechanical standpoint..." is a bit of a stretch when comparing it to something like the current sliding shades. I've never seen a shade malfunction in a mechanical way. I think there is more to go wrong in photochromatic windows(i thought they were LCD based), you need a circuit breaker to pop, resister to break, loose connection, whatever and it doesnt work.


25 PolymerPlane : How does this have anything to do with the interior mockups? Unless you provide the windows size of the mockups, you conclusion is flawed. BTW I just
26 MD80fanatic : Besides, you cannot close a photochromatic window only half way. It's nice to block the high sun and still have an unobstructed view of the ground. I
27 VirginFlyer : You can however dim it partially so that it cuts down the glare of the sun while allowing you still to see through the whole window. V/F
28 N328KF : They are LCD-based, so they are electrochromic. And they are probably using a single LCD element (cell) for the entire window, but there's no reason
29 Ikramerica : According to the NH website illustrations, the windows are 8cm taller than 767 windows. But we must remember that that added height is a full 27cm x 8
30 GBan : Agreed. Certainly can be done. But has it been done this way? I read in another thread that they can control this function.
31 Leskova : The concept of these windows is rather interesting - though I'm not certain whether it's really an advance for the passenger: Sounds good, but what if
32 AndesSMF : There are many automatic devices on a car nowadays as compared to a few years ago. I was warned about the possibility of all these things going wrong
33 Bringiton : This has been discussed and Randy B even gave his take on it . I will try to look up his blog entry but his version was simply that , if you are trav
34 Leskova : Thank you for pointing out the blindingly obvious... I know, but having been in planes with just about everything malfunctioning from lighting, audio
35 Post contains images MD-90 : Honestly, I don't really know about the 747, but you'll note the while the two center panes are very large and extend downwards quite a bit, the glar
36 Post contains links and images Keesje : Does anybody know the size of the MD11 windows, how far apart, they seem large too & at convenient hight.
37 Post contains images ThePRGuy : MD11 pwned the 777 hands down, great windows, airy cabin, lovely. The 787's engine power is around 400% greater than *errm think of an airbus to put
38 Bh4007 : IMO, the appearance of the 787 makes it look smaller than it is; in photos it looks like a big A320 but when you see how big the people are; you reali
39 Post contains images 6YJJK : If I remember rightly, one of the reasons given for Concorde's tiny windows was the difference between internal and external pressure at 60,000', and
40 Post contains links Scott0305 : Check out this BBC news clip about the 787. Pause it at 1:31. They do a pretty good size comparison with an A340 window that lets you see the differen
41 EMBQA : Say what....???
42 ChrisNH : I hope those fancy light-dimming windows won't be a problem in the same way that pop-up headlights are for cars. Nothing looks more retarded than a ca
43 Stitch : The technology is pretty "tried and true" by now, so I expect the MTBF is sufficiently low enough, even with the frame longevity of the 787.
44 EMBQA : My understanding is that it works the same as an LCD calculator.... so it's been around for years.
45 EI321 : Its just marketing. The plane needs to look sexy, so every thing is made to look dramatic, from the shark fin to the nose, to the windows, to the win
46 PolymerPlane : Unless you can provide the real measurement of the interior mock ups, I call it B.S. The mock-up looks bigger because of the shape of the wall around
47 PYP757 : Actually, I wouldn't mind if it malfunctions, if I'm unlucky enough to be seated one seat away from the window, and my neighbor is one of these irrit
48 Works4boeing : When you're standing next to the airplane, the windows do look bigger. It's hard to tell just looking at a picture because you really don't have anyth
49 Post contains images MD-90 : Actually that's incorrect. I read a Flying article a few years ago, and the first aircraft to use polarization was the Gulfstream I, which of course
50 Maersk737 : Now that we are talking about big windows, and the 787 do have big windows, does anyone know how big the windows on the Caravelle was/are? As far as I
51 Ikramerica : it's been used in high end commercial construction for 20 years. it's been used on the 744ER in the bathrooms for years. individual lcds are very, ve
52 Galapagapop : Is the material the windows are made of the kind that if, the switch was to break, it would go opaque, in that the current running through it makes it
53 DrExotica : " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...mp=wm Scott0305 - this is the best and most dramatic treatment of the subject yet - many thanks
54 Post contains links Scott0305 : I'm guessing it has to be correct but I see what you mean. It does look small. Can't seem to edit my original post now but the BBC clip has been upda
55 Post contains links and images Keesje : Boeing 787 mock-up 2007 Boeing 787 mock-up Farnbourough 2006
56 Post contains images Confuscius : Look at the DC-10/MD-11: an enormous field of view from the side but a much smaller view from the front. The F-16 has an enormous all around field of
57 Pohakuloa : i keep looking at this bird and i have to keep telling myself that the aircraft is far larger than it looks while standing alone. the size of the wind
58 Zoom530 : How many angels can you fit on the head of a pin? And if the pin had windows, how large should the windows on the pin actually be?
59 Scott0305 : That picture is just pure fantasy.
60 PolymerPlane : Please elaborate? Cheers, PP
61 Scott0305 : The window size is massively exaggerated. I'm assuming the "people" inside are actually pictures (look at the windows on the far side of the fuselage
62 Post contains images 787engineer : All this is based on the assumption that the people seen in the picture are in the seats closest to the window. If the people are on the other side o
63 Tugger : It will be interesting to see how the windows ultimately look from the inside and how much of the "hole in the plane" it actually ends up using. There
64 PolymerPlane : All you said depends on the distance of the camera to the windows, and the windows to the objects. Have you ever seen the explanation of Loch Ness pi
65 Pnwtraveler : Does anyone remember the huge windows on the Viscount? They were more oval as well. I have been in the cockpits of the DC10, L1011 and the 747. The on
66 Post contains images Bringiton : Another size picture from the flikr link -
67 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Right, nothing will ever match the Viscount's (and Vanguard's) huge windows. They were so big the emergency exits were just the window itself which w
68 MD-90 : Gulfstream's windows aren't quite that big, but they also just use the window itself as an emergency exit.
69 Post contains links and images WingedMigrator : Credit: Seattle Post Intelligencer They show 777 windows being 15 x 10"... Flight International quoted them as 388mm (15.3in) tall and 273mm (10.75in
70 Scott0305 : I see your point as it looks like most of the people are on the other side of the plane - however - the guy in the window second from the right is cl
71 Post contains images VV701 : I saw this newscast and it took me way back - note my handle. It has obviously taken others on the same journey: Here are a couple of more images to
72 EMB195 : Should we expect aircraft manufacturers to go for even bigger windows with the generation of aircrafts after the 787 and A350?
73 Ikramerica : I would guess that Y3, should it be built, will have even larger windows because the overall larger size of the structure would allow for such window
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