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User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Here comes a question, which am sure one or more of us has in their mind.

Some facts first:

July 8th - Roll out (Done)
End August - First flight (should be on the 27th)

Now the question: Would the upcoming Dubai Airshow see the Dreamliner???

All comments are welcome and much appreciated!!!

Last, but definitely not least a big congratulation to BOEING for a trully remarkable piece of equipment. Now that the wait is over, a new one has begun with the A350XWB.

P.S. 1 small rule if I may, please do not change this thread into an A is better/more efficient/aerodynamic/blah blah blah/etc. than B or vice-versa. Am sure there are other threads for that.

Thanks,

 Smile


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User currently offlineHimself From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Considering it's in November, they could probably fly one of the 6 test planes over for the week.

User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

Well, i personally think it is too early to bring the 787 into Dubai Air Show. It will be in a critical testing, Boeing may think it is not the right time to demonstrate it.
Just my opinion


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Hey guys,

Agree with both. Where am coming from is actually 2 things:

1. In November, the 787 will be heavily involved in testing and therefore may not come to DXB however,

2. Since Boeing wants to secure the much disputed 100 wide-body order from EK, then they should show the plane.

Am not a fan of either Airbus nor Boeing, meaning I like them both and since Dubai government now bought 3.12% of EADS, that order seems to be moving the Airbus way. If Boeing is keen on changing the mind of Clark and Co., they should consider sending the 787 to DXB. Even if they do it as part of flight testing.

Thanks to both for your comments.  Smile



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Hard to say since the second airframe is already built as well. Which means that the others should follow shortly. So they may have enough planes that they can send one over to DXB.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5666 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

WEell I think Boeing can try and combine some of the flight test requirements with the round trip to DXB in Nov.


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User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2737 times:

It may not only be the first time that the Dreamliner shows up at an Airshow, but also the first time that the two "New kids on the block" A380 and 787 will meet.

Let's wait and see, till then, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 Smile



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2725 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Hard to say since the second airframe is already built as well.

The second 787 is far from built.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
The second 787 is far from built.

have they even mined the graphite yet?  Silly


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6726 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Not sure Boeing is really pushing to secure more Dreamliner orders from the Middle East region, I'm not saying that they don't want orders, just not pushing for them. In other threads mention is made of Boeing trying to "capture" a A350 launch customer, I'm skeptical of that also. Cost benefit analysis will probably be the main factor in the airshow appearance, as already mentioned, the test phase will be in full swing, and since the Dubai show is closer to the EU, not sure Boeing wants to fly a Dreamliner there, have an "issue" enroute and have all the Airbus supporters making fun of its new prize. The line for taking pot shots at the new kid on the block grows with every passing second that the A380 and A350 do not progess. Now if the test phase is progressing better than normal, they might take the chance to "show off" their new toy, time will tell, I would say monitor the testing, ahead of schedule, good chance, behind schedule, no chance.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
WEell I think Boeing can try and combine some of the flight test requirements with the round trip to DXB in Nov.

I would think this would be the best way to work it, although it does imply some risk for Boeing should there be an "incident" on the way to or from the show.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

I think Boeing should show the B787 at the DXB Air Show. Giving the new airplane more exposure to potential customers never hurts anything.

User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2421 times:
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I certainly hope that Boeing can be bothered to show the Dreamliner at major air shows in late 2007 and 2008. I'd love to see it at ILA 2008 in Berlin at the end of May.

User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 3):
and since Dubai government now bought 3.12% of EADS, that order seems to be moving the Airbus way.

This is an interesting dichotomy !!!
DUBAI (=Government=Sheikh) owns 3.12% of EADS, but also most of EK !! And not always the interests of these companies coincide.

Possibly, an exclussive huge A350 order from EK would help the EADS stock, but until now, even the announcement flood of Le Bourget has failed to do so.

On the other side, the risk for EK by depending so heavily from the success of the A350 project, in turn subject to many risks, would be obviously high, coupled with the non-availibility of a meaningful No. of airraftat least until 2014 (EIS not meaning delivery!) .

Therefore, the logical response to this dichotomy seems to go the QR way, signing a certain percentage (can be different in both ways to QR's) with Airbus, subject to the needed safeguards, and the balance .with Boeing.

As for the visit to the show, I do not thing EK can wait to decide until November if they want tolerable B787 slots, but of course, we do not know what Tim Clark has informally reserved.

aminobwana

[Edited 2007-07-10 14:32:38]

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29656 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):


Quoting Clickhappy,reply=7:
The second 787 is far from built.

have they even mined the graphite yet?  Silly

A number of parts for LN02 have been arriving last week via Dreamlifter, so part of it may be in the jigs, but it will be a bit before she's ready to roll on her own 10 tires.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting Himself (Reply 1):
Considering it's in November, they could probably fly one of the 6 test planes over for the week.

By November, Boeing will have more than just the six flight test and two static frames built. Why would they interrupt the flight test program when they could fly over a later frame with a normal cabin?


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
By November, Boeing will have more than just the six flight test and two static frames built. Why would they interrupt the flight test program when they could fly over a later frame with a normal cabin?

Even then, Boeing could use the trip as part of the testing regime, for ETOPS for one. The probability is the Dreamliner will be there.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
The second 787 is far from built.

have they even mined the graphite yet? Silly

Well, there was something going on behind the closed doors of the the hanger they held the coming out party for the 787 in. Mike Blair pointed to the back of the hanger and said "the second one is being built back there." And when they did their world tour of the various fabrication sites, they all had what looked like a number of completed sections in public view.

Of course it could all be a giant conspiracy, with Boeing using Hollywood props to make it look like they are actually building additional airframes. I am sure there are those who subscribe to the idea.  yes 


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