Emirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
Agree with both. Where am coming from is actually 2 things:
1. In November, the 787 will be heavily involved in testing and therefore may not come to DXB however,
2. Since Boeing wants to secure the much disputed 100 wide-body order from EK, then they should show the plane.
Am not a fan of either Airbus nor Boeing, meaning I like them both and since Dubai government now bought 3.12% of EADS, that order seems to be moving the Airbus way. If Boeing is keen on changing the mind of Clark and Co., they should consider sending the 787 to DXB. Even if they do it as part of flight testing.
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 8716 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
Not sure Boeing is really pushing to secure more Dreamliner orders from the Middle East region, I'm not saying that they don't want orders, just not pushing for them. In other threads mention is made of Boeing trying to "capture" a A350 launch customer, I'm skeptical of that also. Cost benefit analysis will probably be the main factor in the airshow appearance, as already mentioned, the test phase will be in full swing, and since the Dubai show is closer to the EU, not sure Boeing wants to fly a Dreamliner there, have an "issue" enroute and have all the Airbus supporters making fun of its new prize. The line for taking pot shots at the new kid on the block grows with every passing second that the A380 and A350 do not progess. Now if the test phase is progressing better than normal, they might take the chance to "show off" their new toy, time will tell, I would say monitor the testing, ahead of schedule, good chance, behind schedule, no chance.
Aminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 3): and since Dubai government now bought 3.12% of EADS, that order seems to be moving the Airbus way.
This is an interesting dichotomy !!!
DUBAI (=Government=Sheikh) owns 3.12% of EADS, but also most of EK !! And not always the interests of these companies coincide.
Possibly, an exclussive huge A350 order from EK would help the EADS stock, but until now, even the announcement flood of Le Bourget has failed to do so.
On the other side, the risk for EK by depending so heavily from the success of the A350 project, in turn subject to many risks, would be obviously high, coupled with the non-availibility of a meaningful No. of airraftat least until 2014 (EIS not meaning delivery!) .
Therefore, the logical response to this dichotomy seems to go the QR way, signing a certain percentage (can be different in both ways to QR's) with Airbus, subject to the needed safeguards, and the balance .with Boeing.
As for the visit to the show, I do not thing EK can wait to decide until November if they want tolerable B787 slots, but of course, we do not know what Tim Clark has informally reserved.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10512 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
Quoting Himself (Reply 1): Considering it's in November, they could probably fly one of the 6 test planes over for the week.
By November, Boeing will have more than just the six flight test and two static frames built. Why would they interrupt the flight test program when they could fly over a later frame with a normal cabin?
Poitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15): By November, Boeing will have more than just the six flight test and two static frames built. Why would they interrupt the flight test program when they could fly over a later frame with a normal cabin?
Even then, Boeing could use the trip as part of the testing regime, for ETOPS for one. The probability is the Dreamliner will be there.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8): Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
The second 787 is far from built.
have they even mined the graphite yet? Silly
Well, there was something going on behind the closed doors of the the hanger they held the coming out party for the 787 in. Mike Blair pointed to the back of the hanger and said "the second one is being built back there." And when they did their world tour of the various fabrication sites, they all had what looked like a number of completed sections in public view.
Of course it could all be a giant conspiracy, with Boeing using Hollywood props to make it look like they are actually building additional airframes. I am sure there are those who subscribe to the idea.