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Bmi Longhaul And Medium Haul Expansion  
User currently offlineBmiexpat From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

According to an internal memo, bmi have finally made some announcement regarding the aquisition of new aircraft for longhaul and medium haul out of LHR. Looks like some interesting times are ahead for bmi!


Dear Colleague

As you know the board has over recent months been reviewing its strategy for the development of new mid haul and long haul routes from Heathrow. I am delighted to tell you that the main board has unanimously authorised the acquisition of ten additional aircraft to our current fleet to support our strategy.

An additional five Airbus A330 aircraft valued at around $500m will join the three similar aircraft that we now operate with the first additional aircraft expected to be delivered in Spring 2008.

In addition, following on from our acquisition of BMED earlier in the year, bmi will also take delivery of five new Airbus A321 aircraft valued at $250m. This will enable us to further expand our medium haul network.

This is tremendous news for us and enables us to implement our strategy to further develop our long and medium haul route networks over the coming years. It will give us the headroom to introduce new routes and services as well as the ability to increase capacities on existing destinations where the demand exists.

As we move forward towards the full integration of the former BMED network I hope very soon to be able to tell you of our plans for the forthcoming winter period that commences on 28th October. This will include enhanced frequencies as well as new routes. I also expect to be able to let you know shortly about our specific network plans for our long haul operations.

The board and the shareholders’ approval for these ten additional aircraft is a clear indication that they have every confidence in the business and its growth and development and it sends out a clear message of their continued support and commitment to bmi.

Kind regards

Nigel Turner

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4924 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10331 times:

Sounds like good news - just hope these aircraft are used wisely


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User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

I would love to see BMI operating to either LCA or PFO. Since BMI are CYs main hadling agent at LHR, these flights could be operated in codeshare agreement with the 2x CY daily flights to LCA which achieve loads of >70% on regular basis.

If BMI are to start long haul flights out of LHR, it would be a great opportunity for Cyprus connections.



CY@Uk
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10165 times:

So...they decide to get rid of the A321s and have now decided to get some more?  crazy 


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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10018 times:

Quoting Bmiexpat (Thread starter):
An additional five Airbus A330 aircraft valued at around $500m will join the three similar aircraft that we now operate with the first additional aircraft expected to be delivered in Spring 2008.

Will these be new - if so purchased or leased? I'm guess leased but from who...

PurpleBox.



Next Flights:STH-ATH-STN (A3), BHX-INV-BHX(BE), LCY-FRA-BOG(LH), EZE-FRA-LHR(LH)
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
So...they decide to get rid of the A321s and have now decided to get some more?

Yeah, no kidding. Make up your damn minds, BD!


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
So...they decide to get rid of the A321s and have now decided to get some more?

Exactly - How true.

Bmi really needs a working strategy - I recently flew back from Domodedovo on their new medium haul concept. Great seat, great product, wonderful staff (as always)... Alas, just too poor souls in business class. Another route probably for the chop, and my concern is that Bmi are betting the farm on routes like this being their future.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9889 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):

Exactly - How true.

NVM, apparently their older A321s weren't suitable for anything other than short hops whereas these new A321s will be more suited for medium haul routs such as the ones currently opped by BMED.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9787 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
So...they decide to get rid of the A321s and have now decided to get some more?

Exactly - How true.

Bmi really needs a working strategy - I recently flew back from Domodedovo on their new medium haul concept. Great seat, great product, wonderful staff (as always)... Alas, just two poor souls in business class. Another route probably for the chop, and my concern is that Bmi are betting the farm on routes like this being their future.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9698 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
So...they decide to get rid of the A321s and have now decided to get some more? crazy

"Ya, but no, but ya, but no, but you see what happened was....."

Basically BD decided that the A321s were too big for the operation they were running, and that strategy still remains the case. But BMED was aquired whole, including 5x A321 ordered by BMED as a side order to BA. bmi are taking on these frames, the five A321 are not new orders.

bmi needs to get its new message out there....especially with the fares & service concepts, just my opinion.

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
So...they decide to get rid of the A321s and have now decided to get some more?



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 5):
Yeah, no kidding. Make up your damn minds, BD!

It is quite simple. The A321s no longer fulfilled bmi's requirements on the routes they were operating before the KJ acquisition, hence why they decided to get rid of most of their original examples. With the acquisition of KJ the A321 is suited to many of the routes and further aircraft will actually be more useful to the combined BD/KJ than they were to BD before. Also, they will now have a fleet of much newer A321s than the ones which were originally operated by BD, so in actual fact they have probably come out laughing.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 4):
I'm guess leased but from who...

I can't say for the A321s (though I'm sure there are planes available) but loads of leasing companies have ordered A330s and I'm betting that CIT or ILFC could dig up a few by next Spring.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

Are BD re-furbishing the KJ aircraft to their own 'BMI' interiors similar to the one we see on the Moscow route?

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

has anybody any idea what kind of network BMed will fly from October? They even say they want to expand the network. And will be BMed be a fully integrated into BMI from November so that I can get all the usual star alliance benefits when flying BMed?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

I guess the A32S will still waering BA's livery by October so it will be weird to see BA's logo flying for BD.
A part from that, it is getting late now. People are already booking flights with BA to destinations served by KJ.
How will the transition work?



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

How many daily slots did BD sell earlier this year?

Which short haul routes are going to be dropped?

LBA, INV, JER or just MAN?



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 15):
How many daily slots did BD sell earlier this year?

I think that when the dust settled they were BA slots which BMed had ben using but which BA had first right to acquire... Or something like that! (In other words, BD didn't have much choice in the matter.)


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

Well, if bmi get all their a/c painted the same colour, that would be a start!

Let's hope that they make better use of their A330's now than in the past, and hopefully they can replace the leased B763 that is doing the Saudi route (still?)

It will be very interesting to see which routes Sir Bish decides to go for, although they don't seem to stick at new routes for very long. Anyone remember FCO? ALC? MAD? MXP? FRA (I think)? Also be interesting to see which UK or European routes will be scrapped to allow for A330 expansion?

They aren't bad in the skies, pretty poor on the ground, so let's hope they can make a real go of it...good luck Derby Aviation!



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

What do star alliance partners think of the bmi pantomine? Particularly thinking of United, US Airways. SQ, TG, AC.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 17):
It will be very interesting to see which routes Sir Bish decides to go for, although they don't seem to stick at new routes for very long. Anyone remember FCO? ALC? MAD? MXP? FRA (I think)?

Erm would now be a good time to mention BOM ?  Wink

Seem to recall that India was seen as a huge opportunity for them at the time. Oops.

While we're about it, remember Washington too....

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 17):
Also be interesting to see which UK or European routes will be scrapped to allow for A330 expansion?

I suspect a few frequencies will go from some of the key business routes - making them even less attractive to the business traveller. Some BRUs and AMSs will go, some LBAs surely, etc.



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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 19):
Erm would now be a good time to mention BOM ?  

Seem to recall that India was seen as a huge opportunity for them at the time. Oops.

While we're about it, remember Washington too....

Thanks Cornish, I forgot those 2! I know BOM was dropped 'cos they couldn't get the revenue in, as everyone jumped on the bandwagon at the same time.

I know they dropped CDG due to the excess of flights operating there from the UK, but as for AMS/BRU, pass, good question. Also, their committment to the regions is always dubious...remember Liverpool, started as an alternative to MAN, then dropped and hey presto, MAN!

I would guess a reduction of 1 or 2 flights from possibly all routes that have multiple daily operations...

Strikes me, as I've said before, that they should develop a 2- or 3-hub operation, based around LHR, GLA & MAN, get the best of all worlds, and not having to raid the LHR-slot kitty... Just wish they would decide on a strategy and stick to it !



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
Just wish they would decide on a strategy and stick to it !

Good god no !! If they did that, they'd never get talked about on a.net  Wink



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 21):
If they did that, they'd never get talked about on a.net

I had a nice experience on BD last week from Moscow. Flight delay was made up en route, and all two of us in Business class enjoyed the personal service their staff always give. Only flew BD, as BA was full.

BD make up their minds too quickly. Remember the plan to dominate India (Hyderabad and Bangalore), Dominate Saudi (Damman), Egypt, etc... The mid haul concept could have the same problems.

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 20):
jumped on the bandwagon at the same time

Luck then that nobody is jumping on the openskies bandwagon.  Smile

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
BA slots which BMed had ben using but which BA had first right to acquire... Or something like that! (In other words, BD didn't have much choice in the matter.)

So, to operate the Bmed routes, BD have to drop a similar number of domestic / short haul departures... €50 that LHR - Manchester will be dropped - and the PR spin will be all around responsible 'green'. I can hear the toilets being flushed in Castle Donnington as we speak.



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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 22):
€50 that LHR - Manchester will be dropped

If so, how will the North West feed into TG, SQ, NZ, SA, AC, UA, NH, OZ etc @ LHR - Virgin Trains... Silly



Next Flights:STH-ATH-STN (A3), BHX-INV-BHX(BE), LCY-FRA-BOG(LH), EZE-FRA-LHR(LH)
User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

they dropped YYZ too from MAN, so wonder what they have planned this time round,
its got to be a LHR-SFO/LAX 1st !



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
25 Jimyvr : They didn't. bmi agreed tof ly this route for AC for 1 season.
26 HUYfan : Lets clear up a few points here. Bmi will shortly be announcing plans for an overhaul of the mid-haul product. It is likely to include some aspects of
27 Planemanofnz : Bmi is essential to the Star Alliance for connectivity purposes only ; take away MAN and you take away even more of the benefit of even being in the
28 JoFMO : I slightly disagree in regards to Germany. BMI's only destination left from LHR is Hanover up to 3x daily. LH has it's code on it. So BMI is the only
29 BCALBOY : BMI plans are very difficult to 2nd guess. We don-t know if the slots acquired by BA as part of the B.MED deal are the actual B.MED slots or if they a
30 Richcandy : "On BHD BMI are operating two BHD/LHR services within 30-40 mins first thing in the morning with arr slots at LHR which are prime slots for NATL arriv
31 Humberside : Do UA have the aircraft to do that? Isnt there some high yield finance industry related traffic that bmi could capture on the JER route? Plus they ar
32 BestWestern : On my Heathrow - Dublin connection the hostie - announced "why not avail of our seasonal service to Jersey" I thought the route was year round?
33 Lovinitflyboy : The service is year round, for how long who can say! but yes the service is year round.
34 BCALBOY : Situ when both BA /BMI operated BFS/LHR was a lot different. Easyjet had a much smaller operatoion. BA carried a lot of transfer psgrs on the first s
35 Eric : What happend to their plans re: Novosibirsk? Is that pending Moscow success?
36 Post contains links AIR MALTA : BMED website does not exist anymore. If you try to use www.flybmed.com you'll be directed to BMI website. Nonetheless, bookings are not possible throu
37 LHRBlueSkies : I can't see bmi doing anything more within Europe, where they are getting ass-whipped by Ryan and Easy (among others), nor will they go for LCA, TLV,
38 Zkojh : well they can spend money on planes, good news, just wish they get someone from I.T to update their webiste, their route map for a start is well out o
39 Steeler83 : Especially the A330s. I have been saying for the longest time that they'd be better off sticking with Star Alliance markets with little or no competi
40 Lovinitflyboy : The rumors i here again and again is CLT, PHX and SEA to start with and that 1 or 2 of the BMED routs will be put on the A330, but as i say at this st
41 PurpleBox : Why would they do this - with only 8 (3 existing & 5 new) A330's. Surely they will all be needed for long haul - unless the BMED routes are just to f
42 UAL777UK : Can you quote a source for that as I am finding it hard to believe that on the basis that UA is tight on metal for expansion that they could even con
43 Gkirk : I would say MME-LHR could be a goner...can't be cheap operating ER4s on that route... Probably have a 763 or 772 available I would think?
44 ZuluTime : Why would United suddenly start LHR-Denver next year when it's a route that they could have previously obtained authority to fly under Bermuda II if t
45 Zkojh : man - ORD route is one of bd's profitable routes has been for the last 5 years, why would they now chop it?
46 Cornish : yes i know everybody keeps saying this one, but don't forget that it is one of their very few long haul routes. given that no-one except the LCCs mak
47 UAL777UK : Your right, they could have flown it............out of LGW, which was of no interest, hence why I hope as a result of open skies the rumour of LHR-DE
48 Gkirk : Saying that, AA's MAN-ORD is apparently one of their top 3 European routes (MAH4546 can confirm?) so if BD were to drop the MAN-ORD and UA didn't tak
49 Cornish : I'd be stunned if it was one of the top 3 - but you never know. I'm not saying MAN-ORD isn't a good route for bmi - all I'm saying is that with their
50 Lovinitflyboy : Under the Bermuda II agreement, if UA wanted to start DEN-LON, whey would have had to fly it to LGW and BA would have been forced to switch there DEN
51 Bmiexpat : bmi/BMED update According to an internal newsletter bmi will start selling tickets for it's new BMED services from 4th Sept, at which time the BD code
52 Richardw : but will they allow BA feed into these routes at LHR?
53 Bmiexpat : In the newsletter it talks about codeshare agreements existing to allow interline activity, however it doesn't explicitly say that it will in the cas
54 JonnyWishbone : Agree with you 100% Cornish... Why oh why are they SO intent on the long haul bandwagon out of LHR? With everyone else on the case, they wont make mo
55 PurpleBox : Yes - absolutly fantastic - all shiny and very British. PurpleBox.
56 Alangirvan : 5 A330s might replace the JFK-LHR flights that UA sold to Delta last year - so UA will be back in the JFK-LHR market as codeshares on the BMI flights.
57 BA319-131 : - I guess they think they willmake stacks of ££, they need to get real, fares are going to actually drop as CO, DL, NW and perhaps US enter LHR. -
58 BestWestern : Five A330's on LHR JFK - now that really is all your eggs in one basket.
59 HanginOut : If JFK-LHR is operated by BD, I can see this route being a success as they would be the only Star carrier on the route. CLT and PHX also make sense, b
60 UAL777UK : I agree that BD will will go with LHR-JFK, the amount of frequency I am not too sure. I dont think for one minute they will go LHR-DEN, UA would not
61 HanginOut : UA may not be happy with it, but considering that they have a shortage of longhaul planes for all of the routes that they would like to fly, wouldn't
62 LHRBlueSkies : Thanks for the support! However, BD need to be aggressive in their expansion plans, but with Sir M still running the roost, this just isn't going to
63 UAL777UK : Just dont see it happening, UA will be able to tweak the fleet a little more to get their own metal on the route, then they will serve all their own
64 Alangirvan : UA operated twice daily LHR-JFK which they sold to DL. 5 A330s would be enough to cover BMI twice daily LHR-JFK, plus daily LHR to IAD and ORD. Five
65 JonnyWishbone : According to bmi's ress release this morning, it's starting..... bmi, Heathrow’s second largest carrier, has announced that it will serve a new dest
66 AIR MALTA : Well done BMI. At least they are trying differenet things now, especially with the purchase of BMED. BA has been very conservative lately, disposing
67 Post contains links AIR MALTA : BMI has published the new schedules for flights to Amman and Beirut starting 28Oct. Flights will be operated daily. Flights to ALexandria will be stop
68 JoFMO : But who needs a bed for a 5 hour flight in the afternoon? I would say the sky bed is rather useless for a daylight flight to Mediterranean.
69 AIR MALTA : You're right. And if BMI offers cheaper flights it would be very interesting!
70 Jamesontheroad : Without intending to advertise on a.net, the launch prices are being plugged on BD's homepage now. Do any regulars on this route know how they compar
71 Zkojh : lets hope their product is good then on longhaul , might have to give them a go soon use one of my free upgrades.
72 Theginge : Slots were always BMED slots, BA got them as part of the deal as they had first refusal on who bought BMED. Without that BA would not have let BMI pu
73 BCALBOY : Don-t understand yr logic here. Sure BA has lots of slots and can shuffle around which routes have which slots but if it acquires 8 new slots dep c 2
74 Steeler83 : How about being foolish, perhaps ignorant?
75 LHRBlueSkies : Foolish - yes. Ignorant - silly comment.
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