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Jet Airways is starting operations between Totonto and New Delhi via Brussels from Sep 5, and will fly to this city five times a week, the airline's founder and chairman Naresh Goyal said. "Canada was on our radar the minute we were allowed to fly internationally in January 2005. Canada-India trade is growing every day and so is travel between our two countries," he said.
Goyal said his airline was targeting the 800,000 Indians in Canada, many of whom fly to India regularly, and added that the withdrawal of Air Canada's service to India last month had made the prospects for Jet Airways better.
"Our cost structure is low because wages are low in India. As an Indian company we understand our customers, who are Canadians now, intimately - whether they are from Punjab, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu or Karnataka or Andhra Pradesh," he said. "We also know what food they want to eat, what films they want to see and what music they like."
The airline chief said when Jet Airways starts its Toronto and Newark service, it will be among the first to offer eight private, first class cabins, each with flat beds and 23-inch plasma screens with 100 on-demand channels to choose from.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3810 posts, RR: 41 Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7487 times:
yes they've released a special r/t fare from YYZ to BOM/DEL via BRU for CAD 1350 all taxes inclusive valid for travel from Sept 5th till Dec 6th 07.
This airline will do well in YYZ and will really hurt Air India's YYZ-DEL market share.
But 9W has no fares for the Western Canada, YUL and YOW markets which begs the question...has AC suspended their domestic SPA within Canada to safeguard their own interests?
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2400 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7313 times:
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 3): Is 9W planning on starting a DEL-BRU-EWR anytime soon ? Any plans For DEL-EWR non stop??
The idea is to use BRU as a scissor hub. Route in all flights to BRU around the same time (arrival bank) interchange passengers and then fly onward to different destinations. The idea is good, let's see if the execution will be good too!
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2427 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7181 times:
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 6): Why such a long transit time at BRU? 2 hour pit stop in each direction seems excessively long.
Because BRU is the scissor hub....pax from BOM and DEL will be able to connect to YYZ and EWR.....operating two actual flights, 9W will be offering 4 flights....more flights from other city pairs may be added down the line...thus, the 2 hours halt is required to ensure that all pax connect smoothly....AI is not the only one to anticipate delays
Freqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7181 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 4): Is 9W planning on starting a DEL-BRU-EWR anytime soon
I think Jet would rather to firmly establish its presence first than starting adding frequencies, especially it'll start BOM-BRU-EWR first with 77W.
I was told by Jets local office that they are soon starting AMD-BOM-BRU-EWR . Makes sense as EWR seems to be half-Gujarati. OTOH it seems they are following AI's milk runs.
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 2724 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7063 times:
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 10): I cant believe that this kind of operation is remotely profitable for 9W. Unless of course they're cost are ridiculously under industry norms.
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4559 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
Do you know how much cost is involved with the kind of operation 9W is operating at BRU? Unless there is a substantial local market between Toronto-Brussels, and 9W is going to get high load factors ex.YYZ with significant local traffic to BRU, then this service defies economic reality..
Assume BRU-DEL/BOM were leave with 85% flow traffic (from NYC and TOR), then the revenue per ticket (one-way fare) is subdivided over 2 legs (YYZ-BRU & BRU-DEL)... that is very very expensive from a cost, equipment, and labour perspective...and dilutes overall yield.
Drgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 387 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6875 times:
Do you know how much cost is involved with the kind of operation 9W is operating at BRU? Unless there is a substantial local market between Toronto-Brussels, and 9W is going to get high load factors ex.YYZ with significant local traffic to BRU, then this service defies economic reality..
Assume BRU-DEL/BOM were leave with 85% flow traffic (from NYC and TOR), then the revenue per ticket (one-way fare) is subdivided over 2 legs (YYZ-BRU & BRU-DEL)... that is very very expensive from a cost, equipment, and labour perspective...and dilutes overall yield.
WTF? The carrier is able to carry passengers on all legs. And it doesn't really matter if there aren't many local passengers getting off in Brussels if the airline can cover its costs by filling the plane with folks travelling between Canada/the U.S. and India.
How is this different from any of the other India-Middle East services operated via Europe except with the added benefit of being able to cross traffic from DEL and BOM to both YYZ and EWR by linking the flights in Brussels?
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6773 times:
Quoting Ag92 (Reply 9): If I am reading it properly the aircraft stays at YYZ for 8 hours!!!
what will it do?
It will probably stay parked off-site, not generating revenue, and incurring charges at the Worlds most expensive airport. What should it do??
9W's profit forecasts have been significantly downgraded because of agressive international expansion to North America. Their flights will undoubtedly be hugely popular out of Toronto, as far as profitable, that remains to be seen.
Etihad claimed to do well on the YYZ/BRU/YYZ leg of its AUH flights. Presumably, 9W will inherit the vast majority of customers travelling in this market.
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6743 times:
It would be interesting to see how 9W copes with the competition . Doing BOM-BRU-EWR and other INDIA-BRU-EWR routes they leave a clear gateway for Kingfisher and an improved AI to enter into the non stop DEL-EWR/JFK , BOM-EWR/JFK market and other non stop markets to the US east coast . Given what Kingfisher is likely to offer (quality for buisness and first traveler) i see them get quite popular with the buisness travler and tourists and other frequent fliers also love point to point . Lets see how the Kingfishers and AI respond if and when they get the new aircrafts and govt. clearences.
Ammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 991 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6661 times:
A little off topic, but has jet installed the new interiors in every A332? i have an opportunity to fly them from london to delhi, it would be a good incentive for booking.
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Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2638 posts, RR: 15 Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6608 times:
Quoting Ammunition (Reply 20): A little off topic, but has jet installed the new interiors in every A332? i have an opportunity to fly them from london to delhi, it would be a good incentive for booking.
Economy is virtually the same, the first few 332s they recieved are from ILFC, so they have the 2-2-2 biz class layout with the millennium seats which are also very comfortable--the ones foundon the SAA 340s.
If you want the new seats check the seat map--if it shows a 1-2-1 layout it is the New VS style Biz class layout.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2427 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6585 times:
Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 12): Do you know how much cost is involved with the kind of operation 9W is operating at BRU? Unless there is a substantial local market between Toronto-Brussels, and 9W is going to get high load factors ex.YYZ with significant local traffic to BRU, then this service defies economic reality..
Well, first of all, they would be depending on the cross traffic from BOM/DEL and EWR/YYZ, to fill their planes and ensure that they fly out of BRU with a good load....add to this some traffic from 5th Freedom rights.....
I always wonder why a.netters venture to make statements like then this service defies economic reality....it sort of assumes that there is a bunch of fools sitting at the airlines offices, who know nothing of the industry they work in....if it occurs to someone here, lets be sure that the airline would have thought of it......
FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6568 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 18): Its supposed to be BOM-PVG-SFO, end of the year but apparently Chinese authorities and permission need to fulfilled
With the in-flight product of UA and CA out of SFO it is a no brainer as far as what airline will have the best service, and premium product from San Francisco to China..
EnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6462 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 18): But the writer has a very valid point when he makes this statement as YYZ does have the highest fees in the world
How does one verify this? My understanding is that the landing fee is one of many fees that an airport might charge so without knowing all the fees there is no way to compare the total. Is there a website or resource that gives the breakdown for various world airports?
25 Flyguy1: According to an article in USATODAY last week, JFK, and SFO will start in 1-08. It did not say which Indian city those flights would originate in.
26 FLYACYYZ: The incurred charges refer to the extortionist landing fees at the GTAA, and the point being, an aircraft parked on the ground for 8 hours is not gen
27 HanginOut: My understanding is that there will be no first class cabin on the YYZ flights (only biz and econ) as the A332 is a two class bird. The B77W to EWR w
28 Nimish: That's probably a long way out as even their current BOM-PVG-SFO service has not been approved by the Chinese authorities (owing to India delaying ap
29 Cricket: I personally think that 9W is going to be seeing how the BRU scissor hub does and also alter its' YYZ timings depending on various factors by Summer 2
30 Flying Belgian: I'm quite pzzled as well... Actually the yields weren't that high on those segments. BRU-AUH-ABRU was far better. FB.
31 Ammunition: any chance of the 777 on the LHR-DEL routing in the coming weeks? im flying with them on 26th.
32 Ammunition: Was looking at a pic of the interior of the A332, and noticed the PTV boxes in the foot area on the window/side seats, is this in every window seat?
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