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Any Embraer 120 Operators Left In The UK?  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

I'd be interested to know if there are any Embraer 120 operators left in the UK-more specifically in the South-east part of Great Britain...
For a charter project I'd like to get quotes for flights from Ostend to the South of France but need quotes from the UK,since operators in other parts of Europe would be too far away (cost of positioning flights..)


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User currently offline02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3561 times:

Skydrift, based at Norwich fly the EMB-110 Bandierante, but there are currently no UK-registered EMB-120 aircraft, pity! Hope that helps?


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User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3546 times:

Eastern Airways and Highland Airways (airlines) both operate EMB 120.


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User currently offlineTitch From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 329 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Quoting Alespesl (Reply 2):
Eastern Airways and Highland Airways (airlines) both operate EMB 120

Ummm, no they don't.

Eastern operate J31's, J32's, J41's and SAAB 2000's.
Highland operate J31's and a solitary Shorts 360.


Titch



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Thanks for the replies- but Highland airways are located too far north - I need some charter-capacity between Ostend and South of France but just three flights/week-which measn they have to position the aircraft first into OST -if too far away,it's to costly for the charter-price,since the ferry flights would be empty on both legs..


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting Alespesl (Reply 2):

No they don't, at all

Quoting Titch (Reply 3):

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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):

Not sure you'll find any operators that specifically, if at all.


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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

The last British Brasilia operator I can think of was Air Exel UK and that was almost 20 years ago..... (I am not even sure if their Brasilias were G-reg'ed).

Are you looking for a 30 seater in general or only for a Brasilia?

There are hardly any pax Brasilias in Europe left. How about Atlantique Air Assistance ? They have two available for charters from Nantes.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

30-50 seater - seatmile-cost not higher than about 110 €/hour at 75% occupancy all included...
ATR would be fine as well -but the ones available are to far based from Ostend..



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Would VLM be able to offer you anything with their F50s? Perhaps a little large, but based relatively close to Ostend.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4723 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

KLM Cityhopper does/did charter as well with their F50's, and AMS is not that far. Perhaps an option?


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

What about Scot Airways Dornier 328's at Cambridge?

The former Air Wales ATR's are based at SEN I think, and are being marketed by Flightline - could be another option



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
KLM Cityhopper does/did charter as well with their F50's, and AMS is not that far. Perhaps an option?

They still do. Check http://www.klm.com/passage/cityhopper/en/column/affordable.html

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User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting Titch (Reply 3):
Quoting Alespesl (Reply 2):
Eastern Airways and Highland Airways (airlines) both operate EMB 120

Ummm, no they don't.

Eastern operate J31's, J32's, J41's and SAAB 2000's.
Highland operate J31's and a solitary Shorts 360.


Titch

Sorry, you are right, I got those J31 confused with EMB 120



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
KLM Cityhopper does/did charter as well with their F50's, and AMS is not that far. Perhaps an option?

I tried several companies -it's a quite frustrating exercise...
KLM say they don't have capacities available -so why the heck do they advertise Charter-capabilities ,if a regular three flights/week are not interesting for them ???
One other operator -WDL in Germany ,say they have never received my request, because their E-Mail does not work !!!!
Three other operators never replied to my request at all...
I mean- OK- my request is just for some kind of semi-regular 50-70 seater from Belgium to France,but nobody seems to be interested..



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 13):
Three other operators never replied to my request at all...
I mean- OK- my request is just for some kind of semi-regular 50-70 seater from Belgium to France,but nobody seems to be interested..

No idea if you have tried Eastern or not, but I know on another forum, an enquiry was made by someone to Eastern for a one-off flight from HUY or DSA to CWL. They got a very quick reply and quote

Out of interest is this project hypothetical (like some piece of coursework) or real?



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
Out of interest is this project hypothetical (like some piece of coursework) or real?

No- this is for a real request from one of my customers who wants to develop some new regional lines..



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

If you have a thrice weekly requirement and a guaranteed number of approx. 30 seats, why don't you try to get an airine like VLM interested in running the route ?

User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Maybe try getting in touch with ScotAirways? They have aircraft at LCY and SOU.

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 16):
If you have a thrice weekly requirement and a guaranteed number of approx. 30 seats, why don't you try to get an airine like VLM interested in running the route ?

Historically VLM are only interested in focus-business places and never did anything in France.It's not their kind of business.Their turf are Benelux and the UK.Ontop,three weekly frequencies out of area are complicated to fit into an airline's network plan .
It's an interesting exercise, but quite more difficult than I thought it would be...
Obviously it's easy to find a 737 for three daily rotations out of the same place,since it does not require re-positioning of the aircraft.But starting something small and somewhat "exotic" faces strong hurdles;



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 18):
Historically VLM are only interested in focus-business places and never did anything in France.It's not their kind of business.Their turf are Benelux and the UK.Ontop,three weekly frequencies out of area are complicated to fit into an airline's network plan .

I appreciate the comment about three weeky frequencies being difficult to fit into network plans, but VLM do have experience of doing charters, in particular to the Channel Islands on summer Saturdays



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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4062 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Well, as things are, there is no local operator and 30seaters (EMB120, SF340, D328) are not readily available in the vicinity. The best match appears to be VLM, having bases 60-70miles away both in ANR and BRU which should minimise costs for positioning flights. They are doing charters and also have capacity during the day as they have peak operations in the mornings and late afternoons.

I would not rule out VLM getting interested in non-LCY routes. They have stated that LCY is reaching saturation as far as VLM markets are concerned, forcing VLM to develop new markets. If you are talking about "Ostend-South Of France", maybe your request is related to the port/shipping industry. This is a market VLM is experienced in, having served the clientele with the RTM-HAM route for a couple of years. Zeebrügge is the fastest growing port between Hamburg and Le Havre.

VLM has also operated routes such as RTM-MUC and ANR-GVA in the past. I agree that the chances getting them interested in Belgium - France are somewhat remote, but being able to guarantee 30seats thrice weekly should not be ruled out as an important factor. They have also operated tag-ons from RTM, IIRC MA-RTM-ANR, which could be another option.

As we are just at VLM and Ostend, ha VLM ever been interested in operating services to LCY from Ostend ?


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Tried this company?

http://www.aircharterservice.aero/pax/p_commuter_turbo.htm

I know there's a difference in running an airline service compared to a one-off charter in terms of the logistics, but they may be interested.



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2980 times:

Or maybe try Demin Air of Holland....

Denim Air have aircraft based in both Holland and Belguim.

Anoth operator....try TNT Logistics, there day rates for 737 charters are quite low, as the aircraft spend the daylight hours on the ground.


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Otherwise ScotAirways are a good try: They nomally have 2 aircraft on Standby at LCY, and they love a charter.



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