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Virgin Atlantic A346 Deliveries...  
User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Hi there.
The search function doesn't work for me and I just wanted to know...

Am I right in saying the VS has a few more A346s on order that are due for delivery for this year? If so, then what is going to happen?
...
Either LH, IB, EY, QR could take them on... but if those carriers aren't interested in the somewhat inefficient A346, could other airlines buy the planes of VS before they are delivered (can someone who knows when they are due let me know?) i.e. airlines that haven't previously ordered the aircraft but wouldn't mind the extra capacity? Like BI for instance who is looking for a new long-haul fleet?

Thanks anyway  Smile
FLYTUITRAVEL.

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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

FLYTUITravel...

I thought (maybe wrongly) that VS had delayed their A346's...especially considering their recent 787 order to rplace their older A343's...come on A.Netter's...correct us!

Also, maybe SA would be interested in the A346's...as their 744's are going and their 342/343's are getting a little long in the teeth...just a thought...



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

G-VWIN is on order, set for delivery sometime this year. Thats it as far as I know, but someone may be able to clarify.

BA787


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9022 times:

Checked the Airbus website, G-VWIN is destined to arrive at somepoint this year.

LHRBlueSkies is also correct, 4 of the Virgin-ordered a/c have been delayed, not sure about any more ILFC deliveries


BA787


User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9022 times:

Anyone know when/if VWIN is due to arrive exactly?


FLYTUITRAVEL.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

Would be safe to bet that we could see an order for the A3510 for VS? Could they transfer their order from the 346's to the 3510's?


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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8920 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 5):
Would be safe to bet that we could see an order for the A3510 for VS? Could they transfer their order from the 346's to the 3510's?

What would be the point of operating both the 787 & 350...????

And I'm sure Airbus wud force themselves to swap the 346's to 350's....beg even!



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5014 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 6):
What would be the point of operating both the 787 & 350...????

Let's ask Singapore Airlines.
And Aeroflot.
And Qatar Airways.


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Let's ask Singapore Airlines.
And Aeroflot.
And Qatar Airways.

Yup, good point, but I still can't fathom out why they would want 2 apparantly competing types? Could it be 'cos the 350 is for higher capacity routes, and the 78 for longer, thinner flights?

Either way, I like the 346 - and the 345 - just wish they'd been packaged better..



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8826 times:
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Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 6):
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 5):
Would be safe to bet that we could see an order for the A3510 for VS? Could they transfer their order from the 346's to the 3510's?

What would be the point of operating both the 787 & 350...????

The A3510 (A350-1000) is a B747/B773/A346-sized aircraft. Would fit nicely with the B788/9, I'd say.

IIRC, VS's order + options for the A346 numbers 38 aircraft in total (25 firm + 13 options). Wonder how many they'll end up with in the end...



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User currently offlineSevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8751 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
Checked the Airbus website, G-VWIN is destined to arrive at somepoint this year.

G-VWIN has been in service for 18 months now!. Since then G-VFIT, G-VFIZ, G-VYOU, G-VRED, G-VWEB and G-VBUG have joined the fleet.

There are no more A346 due to arrive for the foreseeable future. All existing options/orders have been deferred or delayed.

Regards



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8738 times:

Quoting Sevenheavy (Reply 10):
There are no more A346 due to arrive for the foreseeable future. All existing options/orders have been deferred or delayed.

But the slots still exist right? So another airline can take them on?


FLYTUITRAVEL.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 11):
But the slots still exist right? So another airline can take them on?

I wouldn't be surprised if Iberia tried to take those slots. I know they are looking for more A340-600s.

A little off topic but does anyone know if G-VYOU is painted in the revised color scheme?



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8627 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 11):
But the slots still exist right? So another airline can take them on?

LH took at least two of them IIRC, and it wouldn't surprise me if they got the rest om them too.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8613 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Thread starter):
Am I right in saying the VS has a few more A346s on order that are due for delivery for this year? If so, then what is going to happen?

From what I have been informed, it is becoming very unlikely that Virgin Atlantic will be taking any more A346's.  Sad I sincerely hope that this is not the case. The A346's are a great replacement for Virgins 744's and would fill the gap until their A380's start to arrive or even possibly an eventual A350-1000 order.

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Thread starter):
Either LH, IB, EY, QR could take them on... but if those carriers aren't interested in the somewhat inefficient A346

Inefficient ? It would have been wise to think twice before posting such remarks. The A346's is currently one of the most efficient airplane in the 350 seat segment. Despite its higher fuel burn vs the 77W, it is by no means inefficient. Some of the major A346 operators are also among the most profitable airlines in the world. (IB, LH, VS)

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):

Let's ask Singapore Airlines.
And Aeroflot.
And Qatar Airways.

Correct Scorpio. I would include Qantas into the group of very likely candidates to also order A350 in the future  Wink

The 787/A350 will most likely end up being operated side by side, like what we currenlty seeing with the A330/777 combo.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1412 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 8):
Yup, good point, but I still can't fathom out why they would want 2 apparantly competing types?

The A350-1000 is to the 787-8 what the A330-300 is to the 767-200. Different aircraft, [arguably] different markets.

On a vaguely related note, when are we to expect any of VS's current fleet re-painted in the new colours?


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 2):
G-VWIN is on order, set for delivery sometime this year. Thats it as far as I know, but someone may be able to clarify.

LOL... Research before you post please. It has been in the fleet since 02/2006.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
Checked the Airbus website, G-VWIN is destined to arrive at somepoint this year.

delivery date: 340-642 28/02/2006 G-VWIN

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Let's ask Singapore Airlines.
And Aeroflot.
And Qatar Airways.

Touche!

Quoting Sevenheavy (Reply 10):
G-VWIN has been in service for 18 months now!.

Yeah someone that knows what they are talking about and or did a simple web search to see that the a/c has been in operation for a good year and a half now.

Current VS A346 fleet
371 340-642 30/08/2003 G-VGOA Named Indian Princess
376 340-642 23/10/2003 G-VATL Named Miss Kitty
383 340-642 26/07/2002 G-VSHY Named Madam Butterfly
391 340-642 15/10/2002 G-VMEG Named Mystic Maiden
416 340-642 29/11/2002 G-VOGE Named Cover Girl
449 340-642 23/12/2002 G-VFOX Named Silver Lady
575 340-642 08/04/2004 G-VEIL Named Queen of the Skies
615 340-642 18/02/2005 G-VSSH Named Sweet Dreamer
622 340-642 17/03/2005 G-VNAP Named Sleeping Beauty
639 340-642 27/05/2005 G-VGAS Named Varga Girl
706 340-642 01/12/2005 G-VWKD Named Miss Behavin
723 340-642 30/01/2006 G-VBLU Named Soul Sister
736 340-642 28/02/2006 G-VWIN Named Lady Luck
753 340-642 24/05/2006 G-VFIT Named Dancing Queen
764 340-642 19/07/2006 G-VFIZ Named Bubbles
765 340-642 23/08/2006 G-VYOU Named Emmeline Heaney
768 340-642 19/10/2006 G-VRED Named Scarlet Lady
787 340-642 20/12/2006 G-VWEB Named Surfer Girl
804 340-642 28/02/2007 G-VBUG Named Lady Bird



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User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8375 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
Yeah someone that knows what they are talking about and or did a simple web search to see that the a/c has been in operation for a good year and a half now.

Thanks for the compliment but I must admit I didn't need to - if you see them as often as I do you get to know this stuff off by heart ( sad, I know Wink)

Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):
The A346's are a great replacement for Virgins 744's and would fill the gap until their A380's start to arrive or even possibly an eventual A350-1000 order.

The A346 are very good at providing extra capacity for existing A343 routes but they fall a way short of being able to replace B744's. particularly on the leisure routes. Even in its lowest capacity the B744 holds 80 more passengers and its length makes it much more restrictive on where it can fly.

It is not completely out of the question that VS will take more A346 but once the 787's start being delivered the need for more A346 will pretty much be non-existant

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 12):
A little off topic but does anyone know if G-VYOU is painted in the revised color scheme?

No. It was the last to be delivered in the old livery. Only G-VRED/BUG/WEB are in new colours.

Regards



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineAyubogg From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8189 times:

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 1):
especially considering their recent 787 order to rplace their older A343's...

Is this confirmed anywhere? That would be awesome!



Alba gu bràth
User currently offlineZuluTime From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

The A340-600s can't be used on some of the Caribbean routes to replace the 747-400s. Airbus nosewheels have an inhibited nosewheel deployment and so you can't turn the aircraft around on the runway - the A340 needs a larger turning circle than the 747-400 which isn't available at some of the Caribbean points to which they fly.

User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 17):
Thanks for the compliment but I must admit I didn't need to - if you see them as often as I do you get to know this stuff off by heart

I just found it ridiculous as big a PR machine SBR and Virgin Atlantic are how come some can't google such a simple find?

Cheers, Big grin



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User currently offlineAviationNut From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
Yeah someone that knows what they are talking about and or did a simple web search to see that the a/c has been in operation for a good year and a half now.

... and in the "English Language" be aware that the names given to the aircraft relate to the registration itself - and they all refer to women in one way or another...

The "V" explains its self

G-VGOA "Indian" Pricess (Indian West Coast - GOA)

Through to

G-VBUG "lady Bird" (an insect called a - BUG) etc...

Try the others...

Kind Regards

AviationNut Big grin



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6127 times:
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
Checked the Airbus website, G-VWIN is destined to arrive at somepoint this year.

where on the airbus website can you find this sort of info??


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 6):
What would be the point of operating both the 787 & 350...????



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Let's ask Singapore Airlines.
And Aeroflot.
And Qatar Airways.



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 8):
Yup, good point



Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):
Correct



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 16):
Touche!

Those are not so obvious!
-The 787-8 has no competitor, which is why Qatar ordered it, along with the (larger) A350s.
-There is absolutely no confirmation that Aeroflot will stick to its 787 order.
-And as for Singapore, it is not very obvious as to why they ordered both. The 787-9 has an A350 competitor and the A350-900 has a 787 competitor.


The only real reason why any airline would have both the 787 and A350 is if they want the 787 and then something the size of the A350-1000, or if they want the A350, and then something the size of the 787-8. Qatar falls under this category.


User currently offlineAviationNut From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 22):
where on the airbus website can you find this sort of info??

I don'y know... try a database at http://www.planespotters.net/.

Regards

AviationNut  Big grin



Regrets: I only flew Concorde Trans Atlantic twice
25 Post contains links and images AviationNut : I should have done my homework too... try http://www.airlinerlist.com/ you will need Microsoft Excel and Winzip. This confirms G-VWIN on line 1187 of
26 Gkirk : I could probably see EK opping both A350 and B787 in the future as well.
27 BA787 : Sorry, my mistake. It did say that on planespotters.net though, hence me putting it. Apologies BA787
28 ScottB : So does that mean that the "real" A346 backlog is on the order of one for TG, seven for LH, seven for EY, and one for Airbus' Executive/Private Jets?
29 Post contains images WINGS : I fear that you are correct. I do not discard the possibility more A345/6's being ordered in the future. Likely candidates to fill that role are IB,T
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