Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2177 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12412 times:
Yeah - it's a mess. And all the flights from the WAS area that diverted to PHL, and finally got back off the gate, are now on average 2hour + taxi times. Two flight attendant colleagues of mine are stuck in the mess - they both say "Oh the humanity.....". (one in BWI, one in PHL).
And just for good measure - ATL and ORD just went on their afternoon TSTM ground delay programs. YUM - packed airplanes, no movement, and no protection for the passenges.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9027 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12249 times:
Had a ground stop on my way to CLE this morning. In fact, the way the day started, my CO flight to EWR (EWR-BOS) was delayed over 2 hours due to lousy ceilings in BOS (I was sitting in the President's Club and couldn't even see more than a gate down that's how bad it was). Eventually, I got rebooked onto a flight to CLE, but we hit a ground stop in BOS then, at which point I realized my connection to CMH was shot there, and since I was to fly back to Boston tonight (only in CMH for a few hours), I got off the plane, went to the President's Club, claimed Trip in Vain (since I had no way of making it to CMH in time for what I needed to do) and got my money back.
And of course, right now, BOS is in a ground stop too due to thunderstorms; my flight back from CLE-BOS, scheduled for a 325p departure, is sitting on a taxiway in CLE right now caught in the middle of this ground stop. Really glad I claimed Trip in Vain...
StarCityFlyr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11767 times:
It looks like every summer, we hear that air travel is going to get worse and worse. Yet I hear nothing about any plans to do anything about the problems. All I see are "hand wringing" officials warning the traveling public to be prepared for extensive delays, cancellations and problems. Is there not someone smart enough to realize that you can only have so many planes in the air and at the airport at any one given point in time?
It amazes me that while the FAA officials are saying that the ATC system is operating at or above capacity, the airlines are continuing to add service. When will someone realize that until systems (computer and other) are upgraded or changed, additional flights should be restricted?
Why are we continuing to turn a blind eye to the problems?
Let's not forget that the airlines are challenging the current funding system for the FAA which is holding things up... I'm not saying that they don't have a valid point, but its' a hold up non the less to funding the upgrades...
Cberflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10763 times:
F9 728 from DEN was diverted from DCA to IAD, after being in holding patterns west and south of DCA for almost an hour. After a 45 minute refueling stop, we took off again for the >10 minute hop over to DCA.
Pizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10731 times:
Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 16): Let's not forget that the airlines are challenging the current funding system for the FAA which is holding things up...
The world war II era ATC equipment is showing that the FAA is in need of more funds to upgrade their equipment. The problem is that the airlines only use 86% of the ATC services and but the airlines still pay for close to 99% of the funds. Therefore, with private charter planes only contributing the last 1% general aviation pays for close to nothing. Furthermore, upgrading the ATC systems all over the USA is imperative to keeping our skies safe and to reduce delays in congested areas.
SR100 From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10564 times:
Great job by jetBlue
I was on flight B6 334 MCO - IAD this afternoon and we were diverted to RDU. At all times, the flight deck and cabin crew informed us about what the knew. During the three hour delay, about half of this time in a holding pattern over South Carolina, we received several times mineral water and other refreshments. All five crew members were very, very friendly and patient with those among us, having outbount connection flights in IAD and being worried.
Compared to several similar weather related delays and diversions that I have expierenced with other carriers in North America and Europe, today's work of this B6 crew was by far the best. Very impressive handling of the situation by this crew, thank you.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17593 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10511 times:
My wife and and just got back from Las Vegas (trip report to follow), our flight CO# 1579 was scheduled to land at 7:44Pm. Someplace over the mid-West the pilot came over the pa to announce that we made such great time that we would be landing at 7PM, when we got to Pennsylvania the Captain came on again to notify us that the FAA was not allowing flights from the West to enter the NYC area. That began our trip up North of NYC where we circled, however the Captain (who btw did a fantastic job the whole way, really great crew tonight) notified us that we had a quick oppurtunity to make an approach to EWR from the North. He stated though that if we were told to hold one more time from the FAA the Captain and First Officer were going to take us to our alternate airport which was Stewart airport, we started decending quickly and through some really bumpy clouds we landed at EWR at 7:30.
They pad EWR's schedules so much and we made such good time coming back East that after all those holds and circling we pulled into the gate 8 minutes early, however once inside it was obvious the extent of the delays as announcments were being made of departure delays up to three hours. The CO service centers were packed.
I have another even more dramatic story about the flight to Las Vegas, but I will save that for my trip report.
You can see our flight tonight, where we started circling and where we headed North to wait.
Kubus From Poland, joined Dec 2005, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10290 times:
Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 20): The world war II era ATC equipment is showing that the FAA is in need of more funds to upgrade their equipment. The problem is that the airlines only use 86% of the ATC services and but the airlines still pay for close to 99% of the funds. Therefore, with private charter planes only contributing the last 1% general aviation pays for close to nothing. Furthermore, upgrading the ATC systems all over the USA is imperative to keeping our skies safe and to reduce delays in congested areas.
FAA needs to quit wasting funds and actually complete a project or two in timely fashion. As for the GA argument, look up couple threads here or go look up AOPA and read the news there not CNN and the like.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9795 times:
Part of the problem in the northeast on Tuesday was an ATC radar problem that affected PHL and BWI/IAD/DCA. That created a backlog, and even once the radar was back in service, the normal traffic + backlog + afternoon storms = a big mess. We had stuff anywhere from 1-5 hours late. Lines of weather went through MDW as well.
Wednesday doesn't look to be much better. A cold front will be running about SHV to BGR, with rain/thunderstorms out ahead of it, and everything between BOS and CLT is going to get nailed by weather, with re-routes, and more ground stops and ground delay programs.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to be working the PHL desk....
: Well...as long as you didn't stop sniffing glue today, as well... I am so glad I worked early morning shift this morning...
: I have not been on company WSI yet today as I am home for one more day but I am hopeing the convective chills out a little bit by Thursday.
: Just heard on CNN, that an aircraft was #57 for takeoff, WTF? LOL. That would have been a unique experience. The most congested airspace in the countr
: Not just any problem, it was a direct lightning strike to my understanding. shut down pretty much the whole DC area from about 1300EST until 1600EST.
: Here in DTW we did not get the big storms like they where saying. Everything went north of DTW to FNT, LAN, MBS. We need the rain badly here.
: both of those went to CHS... i was doing CHS-ATL yesterday evening and saw 2 AA mainline there, found out they were diversions, and they were both th
: I had a 1630 lcl departure out of Florida last night going to Teterboro. It started as a 1 hour update delay and turned into a 3 hour 18 minute ground
: I have been number 71 at LGA once to go. Now that was a hell of a wait. Lucky me I was not a crew member on that flight but a passenger doing the non
: I am willing to bet you had a score of Dash8, ERJ, and CRJ waiting in front of you! The airport cloggers were at work.. -JD
: It's starting again, AA departures past 2PM look to be mostly canceled, now I got to scramble and get to JFK so I can get to STL for tomorrow!
: If there are thunderstorms around the DC metro area and the northeast corridor, if diversion is required, where do inbound long haul flights from Euro
: I had two friends coming back to BWI from Europe yesterday with connections in JFK and EWR. one was canceled altogether and the other had a 4 hour del