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US Upgrades FAT  
User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

US locally announced today that they're not only bringing back the 319 to LAS, but also that all other flights are being upgraded to CRJ 900s. That means, five -900's to PHX, and another -900 for the red-eye to LAS in addition to the 319 each afternoon. The 319, flight #51, will continue on to JFK. Would appear that US looks to strengthen their status at FAT, where they currently hold the #2 position in market share.

UA, on the other hand, is starting a 4th CRJ to DEN in October.

Interesting is that as the summer madness ends, capacity is on the rise at FAT. Certainly could have used that additional capacity now.

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User currently offlineTargowski From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

any chance we see FAT get a nonstop to ORD on UA? They could fill a CRJ easily.

User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Wow!! FAT-JFK!? Very interesting.


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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Thread starter):
for the red-eye to LAS

how can there be a redeye to LAS, on such a short flight?


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Targowski (Reply 1):
any chance we see FAT get a nonstop to ORD on UA? They could fill a CRJ easily.

mmmm..enjoy that flight


User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 3):
how can there be a redeye to LAS, on such a short flight?

The same reason their is a red-eye from LAS to MRY (it leaves LAS at 11:59 and arrives at MRY at 1:30AM). Many other California destinations served by US also have red eyes from LAS: MRY, SBA, BFL, FAT, SMF, SFO, SJC, SAN, PSP, OAK ect... Every destination in California except SNA, MCE, LGB, and BUR.

Also, I think this upgrading of the route might be a play against XE who have been having very high loads out of FAT to SAN.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
Also, I think this upgrading of the route might be a play against XE who have been having very high loads out of FAT to SAN.

Glad to hear this. Sounds like maybe the XE route could possibly support a third r/t, along with some existing-flight tweaking, e.g., a late afternoon/early evening SAN-FAT trip and an evening s/b return (plus moving the morning FAT-SAN flight earlier?) I still think the fall may see some schedule adjustments/additions/redux from XE.

Good news (from US) for Fresno!

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Good news, although it would have been better in June and July when traffic peaks (DL missed out by not starting ATL this year). I think there were some fears of the housing slowdown impacting the local economy but I think that is proving wrong.

I had seen that US was upgrading FAT-PHX to mainly CR9s with 1 or 2 CRJs but going to all CR9s is very good.

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
Also, I think this upgrading of the route might be a play against XE who have been having very high loads out of FAT to SAN.

Unless US plans to lower fares for a FAT-SAN connection I don't think it has anything to do with XJet.

I'm on XJet FAT-SAN nonstop next week and got the ticket on a 3 week advance for $118 RT. US for a 3 week adv using connections wants $275.

It probably has more to do with recognition that FAT is still booming. Passenger growth at FAT has been over 7% per year for the last 4 or 5 years. That is much larger than the national average.



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User currently offlineFAT5DEP From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Quoting Targowski (Reply 1):
any chance we see FAT get a nonstop to ORD on UA? They could fill a CRJ easily.

In looking at a 1979 OAG, UA used to fly a 727 nonstop to ORD. A lot of places to fly on mainline equipment back then. I think UA and/or AA could be successful flying FAT-ORD, or maybe WN to MDW... yeah right.

I hear a lot about US and UA adding service, it seems like it has been awhile since AA has added flights at FAT. I wonder if we can expect anything from them in the near future?



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User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
DL missed out by not starting ATL this year

Speaking of, was there ever an official reason as to why they canceled this and the other cities announced at this same time?


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

I remember Western having LAX-FAT-RNO-SLC service on both 737-200's and 737-300's when first introduced...Now ThAT mustve been a fun way to get to SLC...


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 2):
Wow!! FAT-JFK!? Very interesting.

Where did you see that???


User currently offlineCageyjames From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 11):
Where did you see that???

First post said that flight #51 will continue on to JFK


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 9):
Speaking of, was there ever an official reason as to why they canceled this and the other cities announced at this same time?

From a Fresno newspaper article dated April 21 2007,
"We looked at the summer schedule and had a stronger need for the aircraft in an international capacity," said Anthony Black, a spokesman for the airline.

Hopefully DL won't make the mistake of avoiding Fresno next year.  Wink

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
I remember Western having LAX-FAT-RNO-SLC service on both 737-200's and 737-300's when first introduced...Now ThAT mustve been a fun way to get to SLC...

Post merger I used to do it on DL out of FAT. There usually was 20 or 30 minutes on the ground in Reno so I'd get off, stretch my legs, and get a slot machine fix in the terminal.  Wink



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 2):
Wow!! FAT-JFK!? Very interesting.

Wow, I thought that the only FAT Kennedy was in Massachusetts! LMAO! Do any of the US FAT flights codeshare with UA?

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 5):
The same reason their is a red-eye from LAS to MRY (it leaves LAS at 11:59 and arrives at MRY at 1:30AM).

Yeah, that's weird especially given MRY's proximity to "downtown" Monterey. It's a pretty sleepy town to have a RJ swooping in at that time of the night (morning). Do they even come close to filling those a/c?


777fan



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 13):
Post merger I used to do it on DL out of FAT. There usually was 20 or 30 minutes on the ground in Reno so I'd get off, stretch my legs, and get a slot machine fix in the terminal.

LOL, very nice. Did DL keep the -300's on the route or did they put the 732's back on?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
LOL, very nice. Did DL keep the -300's on the route or did they put the 732's back on?

Honestly off the top of my head I don't remember. That's 10 years ago and my memory isn't what it used to be.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting Cageyjames (Reply 12):
First post said that flight #51 will continue on to JFK

So its FAT-LAS-JFK. correct?


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 17):
So its FAT-LAS-JFK. correct?

Yep.
I highly doubt we'll see a FAT-JFK n/s in teh next few years, but nothing really would surprise me.


User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):

It probably has more to do with recognition that FAT is still booming. Passenger growth at FAT has been over 7% per year for the last 4 or 5 years. That is much larger than the national average.

This probably sounds like a better assumption, however, I wouldn't be surprised if US does start lowering fares on this route to compete with XE. If passenger growth is going up by 7% a year like you say, than I wouldn't be surprised to see UA add ORD to the flight list and maybe even IAD if they think money can really be made.

I also noticed that CO does not operate out of FAT. Can they make that with a ERJ-145 (they make it to BFL with them) or would they have to use a 737?

Quoting 777fan (Reply 14):

Yeah, that's weird especially given MRY's proximity to "downtown" Monterey. It's a pretty sleepy town to have a RJ swooping in at that time of the night (morning). Do they even come close to filling those a/c?

I don't think they would wake many people. The most common landing approach used by the commercial traffic does not take them over the town of Monterey itself. In fact it is very rare for any plane to make a landing using runway 10R (the approach that takes you over the town)

As for the loads on that flight, well, I'll set my alarm clock tomorrow and get back to you.
 wideeyed   yawn 



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

The Fresno Bee has posted a 4 paragraph teaser about Thursday's article on this. We'll see what the full article says in the morning.

US Airways flies bigger jets into Fresno

US Airways is adding more than 400 seats and larger jets on its flights from Fresno to Las Vegas and Phoenix to accommodate increased demand.

http://www.fresnobee.com/406/story/83359.html



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 19):
In fact it is very rare for any plane to make a landing using runway 10R (the approach that takes you over the town)

I've done it many times. The approach typically involves flying just offshore along Pacific Grove and Cannery Row, and crossing the Naval Postgraduate School before landing. There are also times where they'll do mixed operations, with landings on 10R and departures on 28L.


User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 19):
I also noticed that CO does not operate out of FAT. Can they make that with a ERJ-145 (they make it to BFL with them) or would they have to use a 737?

Actually, CO was ready to come into FAT, then when F9 decided to tease us, they backed off. Not sure if I'd want to sit in an ERJ for three hours to IAH. Certainly don't want to sit in a CRJ to ORD for three hours, so if United ever wakes up and responds to the demand, I'd hope for an E-170. Given Skywest's position at FAT, doubt that will ever happen.

Back to US, knowing that they were perfectly happy with pretty limited gate and operational space for years, that they've moving into larger quarters at FAT, and decided to actually use a jetway, suggests something must be working here.

FATflyer might know the answer to this, but last year when US started the 319, didn't G4's loads take a sharp drop. FAT-LAS is a pretty competitive market. UAX does well. US is doing well. G4 seems to take some hefty seasonal drops. G4 may have been born at FAT, but they have more competition in this market than in about any other LAS market they serve. I wonder how they'll react?


User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):

I've done it many times. The approach typically involves flying just offshore along Pacific Grove and Cannery Row, and crossing the Naval Postgraduate School before landing. There are also times where they'll do mixed operations, with landings on 10R and departures on 28L.

That's interesting, I haven't seen it happen that often, but apparently it is more frequent. I'll have to check more closely next time I go by their.



"Reading departure signs in some big airports reminds me of the places I've been"
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 22):
Certainly don't want to sit in a CRJ to ORD for three hours, so if United ever wakes up and responds to the demand, I'd hope for an E-170. Given Skywest's position at FAT, doubt that will ever happen

I checked once and IIRC, FAT was one of the 2 or 3 largest domestic markets to ORD without nonstop service (based on passenger counts).

Instead of UA I would not be surprised to see AA do it.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 22):
FATflyer might know the answer to this, but last year when US started the 319, didn't G4's loads take a sharp drop.

August 2006 Allegiant's loads went up from July 2006, about 4 LF points.

They then fell in Sept 2006 about 5 points but Allegiant seems to see a drop at FAT every September, must be the back to school bit.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
25 Xpfg : Okay, I have to be dumb here, because I see it a lot now these days, but what is IIRC? Now onto the topic of ORD from FAT...a 170 would definitely be
26 Copaair737 : AA Mainline already serves FAT from DFW....so I'd guess they'd be more likely. A S80 would probably do teh trick well.
27 FATFlyer : Sorry, I'm working on the computer and just hopping over here. So my fingers are getting tired. I usually try to limit my web speak and text abbrevia
28 Zrs70 : A red eye is not simply a late night flight!
29 Osprey88 : Well, that is what I thought it was, a flight operated between 11PM and 5AM. What is your definition? I would not be surprised if both AA threw an S8
30 FAT5DEP : Hey, something I can personally attest to. I worked for DL at FAT in the mid '90s. DL used 727's, 732's and 733's. Toward the end they brought in the
31 Osprey88 : UA could sure as hell pull either A319 or the three 752s they have running the DEN-JAC route daily during the summer. Makes you wonder why they even
32 Post contains links FATFlyer : Depends on who is defining it. Hotwire.com says Any flight scheduled to arrive after 12:29 a.m. local time is considered a red-eye, regardless of whe
33 Flyboyaz : Nice to see mainline back in FAT. It did very well when they had it there last. We are also getting one mainline back in TUS...737 at 11:30am continue
34 WhatUsaid : ..and if you've done the midnight departure into Fresno, I can attest, there are plenty of "red eyes" on the flight..lol. Fresno Bee story hit this m
35 FATFlyer : That is only a little lower than 2006's pattern. Through May 2006, traffic was up about 5.5%. It then jumped and the airport finished the year up 7.5
36 Ca2ohHP : Part of the reason FAT will see all CR9's is thanks to YV pulling two of their CRJ's (-200) out of the system. Pardon my interruption, but the upgrade
37 FATFlyer : But as he said FAT-LAS is a very competitive market. There are 3 airlines on the route which is unusual for any route in the US, particularly at a mid
38 Ca2ohHP : Couldn't agree more...however running that aircraft LAS-FAT-LAS was because of extended planned ground time in LAS and timing. US draws significantly
39 Post contains links FATFlyer : Frontier pulled its service from Fresno last month. My guess is that US has seen a jump in connecting traffic out of FAT. The station manager says tha
40 Osprey88 : A friend who flew US FAT-PHX in April told me that her flight was 100% full, so hopefully that is a good indication, especially since it was a CRJ-90
41 FATFlyer : FAT usually publishes monthly reports with the load factor for each airline (regionals broken out), but not for individual routes.
42 FAT5DEP : Will the 319 only last about a month and then switch back to a CR9? Seems like a rather short period of time to swap a mainline jet. I have always wo
43 Xpfg : I would assume that the mainline jet will stick around this time, pending FAT success of course. With the newer US dedicated gate/jetway and all, it
44 FAT5DEP : I was checking the website and it didn't show up in mid October. Yes. US and OO switched gates about a month ago. In the mornings I usually see 3 EMB
45 FATFlyer : I believe that is correct, US is now using only gate 17. I saw a new lease that swapped gates around. Skywest now has gates 11 and 15. The UAX Denver
46 WhatUsaid : Skywest's gate situation at FAT has really taken a drive, trying to run everything out of 11...it's just too crowded. People struggle so with the stai
47 FAT5DEP : I agree. Maybe even have the Brasilias board at Gate 9 so you don't have to walk up and down the stairs. And then give Xjet Gates 5 and 7.
48 Post contains images WesternA318 : For a few weeks CO did EWR-BOI...somebody on here said it was one ofthe long-legged ExpressJets, but I'm not sure, although I cringe at the thought o
49 Copaair737 : When? I remember IAH-BOI, but I don't recall ever seeing EWR-BOI. And what gate does AA use at FAT? Are they in the new part of the terminal now? I h
50 FATFlyer : AA is using gate 12 for the DFW flights, 12B for the LAX Eagle flights. Those are in the newer section, first gate to the left of the escalator. FAT
51 Copaair737 : Thanks for the AA info. It's insane to see how fast FAT is growing. When I first flew out of it, it was that little 4 gate or so hallway. Now there i
52 Post contains links Ca2ohHP : Well crew pay (and 1 less cabin attendant) is really what drives the CASM lower on a route like this. Checkout Mesa's payscales: Mesa pay scale
53 Post contains links ExFATboy : The traditional definition of a "red-eye", as I've always understood it, is a flight from the West Coast to the East Coast that leaves late evening t
54 Post contains links FATFlyer : I agree with you about the traditional definition but I have seen others that are interesting. For example, besides Hotwire I've seen NW list it this
55 ExFATboy : " target=_blank>http://www.nwa.com/services/onboard/...inor/ I can understand why NW would use 9 PM - 5 AM as their cut-offs for unaccompanied minors,
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