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Aer Lingus New Base Down To Just 2- BHX/BFS  
User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

According to this months airliner world magazine, EI has ruled out MAN and GLA as a new base and is just looking at BFS/BHX and plans are at an advanced stage and would be announced within the next few weeks.

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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Where are they aiming to fly to from BHX or BFS???


from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 1):
Where are they aiming to fly to from BHX or BFS???


Im not sure but it would be into mainland europe, nothing has been confirmed yet


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5150 times:

This is good news. If MAN is now out of the running, which is a surprise, then I can see BHX getting this. BFS, as I have said in other posts, is too close to DUB and would dilute their home market (DUB) too much.

BHX has the potential I guess, for both short haul expansion and longhaul opportunity.

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7216 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5093 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
BFS, as I have said in other posts, is too close to DUB

Rumours are that its Belfast, with a summer 2008 start.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12522 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Even notwithstanding FR's threat to fly to BHD?

I wonder if today's announcement re LGW will result in some LHR slots being freed to fly LHR-BFS?


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
I wonder if today's announcement re LGW will result in some LHR slots being freed to fly LHR-BFS?

Wouldn't be surprised at all. Interesting to see EI returning on DUB-LGW, and it will be interesting to see how FR will react. On a sidenote, the people working on the route map should learn some geography lessons: they have put LGW north of LHR on the map :S


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Wonder would EI base an A330 @ BFS.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
then I can see BHX getting this

Agreed. BFS is wayy to close so only the logical choice is BHX if their expecting good traffic. If BFS is chosen, pax can always look and DUB is close. So I'm guessing BHX.

Hunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

lets put the cat amoungst the pigeons here ..... why couldnt the new base be LGW


EI, FR, BD, RE, UA, XL, US,
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7216 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Its Belfast. Close to home - one advertising budget - a population that loves Aer Lingus.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Brand awareness definitly favours BFS.

User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
On a sidenote, the people working on the route map should learn some geography lessons: they have put LGW north of LHR on the map

Hoefully you didn't see the non map based route network that was in the Cara magazine last year. Itasted 1 issue. It was a "network diagram" rather than a map. So the UK was central with Germany and Poland above the UK, Spain and France to the left of the page.......it went on in similar vein for the rest of Europe. Pax keep commenting on the terrible geography of EI. Very embarassing as a frontline employee.

No discussion 'at all' among workers in EI about new base, no rumours of whether any crew will be based in the new UK base. All new bases are supposed to be agreed with current unions under existing working conditions. Only discussion is about re-opening Cork as a base for cockpit crew.


User currently offlineBFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 743 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
BFS, as I have said in other posts, is too close to DUB and would dilute their home market (DUB) too much.

You say that now. However, having lived in England for the past 5 years I see a vast difference in culture, i.e. mainland Brits consider 2 hours a reasonable travelling time even to get to and from work every day, whereas in Ireland and Northern Ireland, I get the impression that people are much less willing to travel any further than their locality to get to a plane going where they want to go. That is just an observation made as a Northern Irish man who likes to travel and as a former Belfast travel agent:

"Are you willing to fly from Dublin?"
"No."


User currently offlineEirbus06 From Ireland, joined Apr 2006, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting Bramble (Reply 12):
Only discussion is about re-opening Cork as a base for cockpit crew.

The Cork base was accepted 3:1 in favour,and EI crews are already based there since the beginning of July!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Does anybody know when the new base is likely to be opened?

User currently offlineBritannia191A From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Quoting BFS" class=quote target=_blank>BFS (Reply 13):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
BFS, as I have said in other posts, is too close to DUB and would dilute their home market (DUB) too much.

You say that now. However, having lived in England for the past 5 years I see a vast difference in culture, i.e. mainland Brits consider 2 hours a reasonable travelling time even to get to and from work every day, whereas in Ireland and Northern Ireland, I get the impression that people are much less willing to travel any further than their locality to get to a plane going where they want to go. That is just an observation made as a Northern Irish man who likes to travel and as a former Belfast travel agent:

"Are you willing to fly from Dublin?"
"No."

I kinda agree with BFS but I dont think DUB is too close and its a different market. Without getting into politics, a percentage of N.I based people regard themselves part of England. On a seperate note, there is the whole of N.I to think about as well. If you lived in Port Rush, its a good 1hr drive south to Belfast then you have to get to the right Motorway down to dublin which is about 100 miles, still a good 1.5 to 2hrs drive. I live in Manchester and it would be like me driving to Luton, why would I want to do that when I have Manchester. Same applies with Belfast. I think its an excellent choice for Aer Lingus. My only concern is that BFS isnt huge and with the number of planes already in and out could it cope!


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Quoting BFS (Reply 13):
I get the impression that people are much less willing to travel any further than their locality to get to a plane going where they want to go. That is just an observation made as a Northern Irish man who likes to travel and as a former Belfast travel agent:

"Are you willing to fly from Dublin?"
"No."

I'm not so sure. I've flown from Belfast and Cork in the past, even though Dublin Airport is (depending on the M50!) less than an hour away. Aircoach has a regular service from Cork and Belfast to DUB, and another operator does the Galway-DUB run.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27126 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

The good thing about a BFS base would be quick access should there be a tech prob . You could get engineers or sub A/C to BFS in a very quick period. If the worst came to the worst you could bus passengers to Dublin.

Quoting BFS" class=quote target=_blank>BFS (Reply 13):
"Are you willing to fly from Dublin?"
"No."

I think this depends on personal circumstances. I know people who always fly from Dublin and people who would not entertain going from Dublin even if it were cheaper. The one thing I have noticed is that there seems to be a cut off point around Banbridge. Alot of clients in the border counties prefer Dublin and further North than that it is really split.

As for a A330 service it didn't work last time. I frequently flew EI 111 from BFS to SNN and JFK and the BFS to SNN service often only had 20% loads with the rest getting on in SNN. Only during summer season and holiday seasons were the loads decent. Brand awareness would not be an issue in the North though but I will be surprised if they do eventually go for BFS.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Apparently there is already some work under progress at BFS to accommodate Aer Lingus. From the back of my mind, stuff like relocating the car rental firms to increase the size of the departure hall and installing a lounge in the area where he viewing balcony used to be.

All in all, BFS certainly is the low risk, less hassle alternative for EI compared to BHX. Advertising, brand awareness, logistics, competition etc. all favour BFS in my opinion.

Belfast is, in my opinion, from an observer's point of view an interesting market as there are lot of LCCs around without one being the clearly dominant carrier on the market. Easyjet, Flybe, Jet2, bmibaby all have decent networks.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 4):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
BFS, as I have said in other posts, is too close to DUB

Rumours are that its Belfast, with a summer 2008 start.

Oh? Well, er, that' proof that I know bugger all, lol Big grin

Quoting BFS" class=quote target=_blank>BFS (Reply 13):
as a Northern Irish man who likes to travel and as a former Belfast travel agent:

Of which I am both...

Quoting BFS" class=quote target=_blank>BFS (Reply 13):
having lived in England for the past 5 years I see a vast difference in culture

Disagree. Northern Ireland is an oncredibly price sensitive market. IIRC there are no Full Service short haul carriers there any longer, except from the charters and the NA charters.

Quoting Britannia191A (Reply 16):
then you have to get to the right Motorway down to dublin which is about 100 miles

There is only one. The M1.....

Quoting Britannia191A (Reply 16):
a percentage of N.I based people regard themselves part of England.

oh dear...  sarcastic 
Are you saying Northern Irish people would rather fly for an hour to somewhere in the UK mainland, because of the political situaqtion historically?

Really you have no understanding of the market or situation there whatsoever...

.7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27126 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 20):
oh dear...
Are you saying Northern Irish people would rather fly for an hour to somewhere in the UK mainland, because of the political situaqtion historically?

Really you have no understanding of the market or situation there whatsoever...

.7L


Your right

Haha youd be surprised the 'different' kind of tattoos you see around here these days booking holidays  

Its all about money these days .

[Edited 2007-07-14 14:50:39]

User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

EI requested slots at PRG for W07/08 from BHX 4x weekly


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7216 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting PRGLY (Reply 22):
EI requested slots at PRG for W07/08 from BHX 4x weekly

Means nothing.



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User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 23):

Means nothing.

Could you explain why this 'Means nothing'?


25 BestWestern : Its a common diversionary tactic to apply for slots at airports, and insert a false destination. BHX here could be a placeholder for any non shengen
26 Hammerb32 : It's in the Irish Times along with a piece on CO negotiating 4 LHR slots from EI on a lease.
27 PRGLY : It certainly means nothing, but at least it is seen that some external administration activities are beeing taken. Just FYI PRG will become Schengen d
28 AirNZ : Eh......have BMI suddenly pulled out of Northern Ireland and I haven't noticed? Irrespective of a lot of feelings on a.net (which I can both agree an
29 BestWestern : Thats why I said... Why didnt you mention that earlier? Do you have a source for the EI slot applications?
30 BestWestern : Can you provide a link to the article, as the Irish Times archive has no article discussing such items
31 PRGLY : source is from PRG Airport slot coordination comittee based on results of slot conference held in June. I mentioned that just to show that EI is expr
32 7LBAC111 : Since BMI switched to the BoB concept, they are not considered Full Service within the industry (by definiition.... ) 7L
33 Post contains links OA260 : I dont think BMI know themselves what they are. They have a C class which is to be fair quite good for a domestic flight. Buy on board for some and t
34 AirNZ : Yes, a very valid point certainly, but I would still somewhat disagree with the use of an arbitrary 'industry standard'. In the context of the topic,
35 BHXDTW : So has EI actually confirmed what this 2nd base would be primarily used for ?? I mean... I havent seen anything to say why they are creating this new
36 EI321 : Being a non UK airline Im not sure they could, unless there was open skies between the EU and these countries.
37 COEI2007 : I think they said they would fly up to 15 routes from the new base, and that the base would be used to take advantage of local wage rates. I'd love t
38 EI321 : I think we will see an EI A320 order before the year is out. About 10 aircraft - half for the new base and half for DUB.
39 BHXDTW : How do you think the political climate could affect the decision.. you know like... uniting Ireland sort of thing... (that isnt meant to be a flame wo
40 Cornish : It will in terms of who can provide the most financial incentive and support for EI launching services out of these airports. The more support they g
41 Kaitak : I don't see anything flameworthy about that, BHXDTW; it's a fair question. I think we had a very good example of how far the political scene had adva
42 EI321 : Good question. I dont think its much of an issue these days. If it were 10 or 15 years ago it might be different. But Birmingham is also more open to
43 Shamrock350 : Ryanair are not in Belfast for now but they are in talks of flying to BHD which would be similar to EI and BHX and FR at EMA.
44 7LBAC111 : I think FR at BHD was scare tactics at keeping EI out of BFS. BHD's infrastructure simply couldn't cope with a sizable FR operation. 7L
45 COEI2007 : Do EI still have rights that they could excercise? Maybe we might see some A319's. They might be useful for increasing frequencies on a number of rou
46 Revo : I wonder what sort of destinations would be made available with EI from BHX or BFS and do you think that long haul might be an option?
47 Shamrock350 : Possibly but it will probably depend on if the base is a success or not. If it does happen maybe when they start getting the new A330s in 2009 instea
48 Post contains images BHXDTW : to be honest, I think it could be a good idea for EI to eventually try long haul flights from the new base.. I mean... it will give another dimension
49 Smokeyrosco : I believe they have only exercised one option out of the 10 they had for 320's
50 AirNZ : Actually, you might be somewhat surprised! Yes, I'd kind of agree with you there about the infrastructure. However, that notwithstanding, I also don'
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