Sabena332 From Germany, joined May 2001, 13988 posts, RR: 97 Posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20794 times:
Lufthansa asked in a recent online survey what passengers think about a "Sleeper-Class" for Economy Class passengers on long overnight flights such as Frankfurt-Singapore or Frankfurt-Johannesburg:
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To increase the travel comfort on intercontinental night flights, Lufthansa is thinking about a separate sleeping area within Economy Class. There, you would have the possibility to sleep in beds with an angle of 180° (Full Flat). This option could be booked instead of a seat.
In the future, when booking a night flight with Lufthansa from Johannesburg to Frankfurt, would you generally be interested in booking into the sleeping area instead of a seat in Economy Class?
Cory6188 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 2650 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20782 times:
Even with the pax stacked up like that, I can't imagine that the cabin would hold nearly as many people as regular Y seats would.....but I could be wrong...
AlanUK From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 673 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20737 times:
Wow, that would be funny. Not sure about the practicalities of it, or the emergency procedures with this layout, but it kind of reminds of the Fifth Element movie!!!
EBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20714 times:
Interesting approach, but it seems like there would be a few challenges to overcome first. One important would be the safety factor - especially in a situation where the plane has to be evacuated within the 90 sec limit.
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 4899 posts, RR: 29 Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20652 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 4): Could LH convert those to seats?
Although the image does not stipulate a potential conversion ot seats, I think also in future pax will need to sit upright during T/O and landing (it is the case today even when flying in First or Business). Lying flat with only one seat belt should be too dangerous in case of aborted take-off, as I doubt that that single restraining device would be sufficient to hold the pax in place.
Another aspect is that the image does not show any devices to stow hand luggage.
But this details might have been left out intentionally ...
Overall, I would be in favour of such a feature, even if this would mean a surcharge to a (seat) Eco ticket, as I envision that the overall cost would still be lower than a Business Class ticket (currently I am flying longhaul in Business mainly due to the fact that Eco-seats are way too cramped for me).
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Sabena332 From Germany, joined May 2001, 13988 posts, RR: 97 Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days ago) and read 20482 times:
Quoting LH498 (Reply 12): Sleeping passengers don't need IFE, won't eat or drink so much...
They should open up a bar next to this "Sleeping-Class", I would go there first to get utterly wasted so that I can sleep the whole 12 hours down to SIN.
Flyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 19605 times:
alltho its only a graphic , but it still looks like a flight for prisoners.i wouldent want to travel like that.It looks like some cheapo cabin.also the beds looks too cramped and cheap.maybe they should add more space.
B4REAL From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2439 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 19576 times:
I really don't see this as too far of a stretch - safety included. Consider this picture link above - there are only 5 clearly visible rows on the outside, and unclearly (presumably) four floor (x3 going up) positions in regards to direction of flight on the centerline. So, that makes about 42 sleeper positions in this space. So, take a large aircraft and carve out that footprint for this configuration then charge the premium. Not a bad idea.....
Also - who is to say this is on the main deck! Doesn't the A340 for LH have a downstairs!
RoseFlyer From United States, joined Feb 2004, 5517 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19410 times:
Quoting B4REAL (Reply 16): Also - who is to say this is on the main deck! Doesn't the A340 for LH have a downstairs!
This is an idea being thrown out for the 747-800s that LH will be recieving. The area between door 3 and door 4 has some of the most valuable real estate in the sky above it. It is tall enough to walk in. For an extra fee, an economy passenger can have a bunk in addition to their seat. The idea has been floated with business class seats and then full flat beds in a separate area which would make for the best first class experience ever. Its not going to replace seats on the cabin floor. Also people will not be able to use these bunks during takeoff or landing because there are not adequate exits. Its an option. Let's see if it ever comes true. Right now it seems like all the 748 will have is a large crew bunk and an overhead galley between doors 4 and 5.
ElmoTheHobo From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1084 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19216 times:
Kudos to Lufthansa for thinking outside of the box. However, this may be more PR than anything.
All those beds and the structure to hold them up are going to weigh a whole lot. Unless they are charging a lot of extra change to make up for the added weight, this idea certainly won't make it past the drawing board. Add in safety and impact certification, the idea seems like a real pipe dream.
Jc2354 From United States, joined May 2004, 437 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19142 times:
I don't think I would like it. I'd like to see a separate, premium economy cabin with increased pitch and lie flat seats. I'd rather step over 2 sleeping people, than climb up/down a bunk.
HanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 545 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19047 times:
I think the concept could work. If you can get 6-9 beds in a row (3 stacked on top of each other in) then you would have close to or the same number of economy beds as economy seats. If there is a difference in seat numbers, you could easily make up for it by charging more for an economy bed.
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26 JAAlbert: All that's missing are the balls and chains around the passenger's feet!
28 Sabena332: Whoa! This comment screems for replies which I can not deliver because of my mod status. Patrick
29 HKGKaiTak: Well they have an awful lot of floor space on A380s ... very interesting concept. I like it. QF should try this on for the Kangaroo Route and trans-Pa
30 LHboyatDTW: Honestly, LH's Y product isn't the most comfortable, and that looks rather cramped in my opinion and not really a place where one can get sleep. If pe
31 Simes: Nice idea, but they look a bit too cramped to join the mile high club in
32 Dtwclipper: I know, it was a little harsh, but to be honest it was my first impression of the artists rendering. But, that's why I added:
34 HKGKaiTak: I'm sure in time they'll come up with doubles ... As for them being too cramped, backpackers manage to get some in hostels, and it is a step up from
35 Klkla: That was my first thought, too, but I thought Boeing has said there wasn't much interest in the concept. But then again, Lufthansa is the only airlin
36 LMML 14/32: Looks more like a scene from the movie Coma. Will that be "your" seat or is that a seperate area you will go to to sleep?
37 HPAEAA: I bet capacity is roughly equal... I don't know what size A/C that is, but they stack 3 up... I guess it all depends on the dimensions.. I'd love to d
38 Flyf15: Thats correct. Seatbacks, traytables, and things completely underneath the seat in front of you. Its all done in order to not interfere with an evacu
39 Wsp: There is no law that requires economy seats to be uncomfortable and only business class seats to allow for some decent sleep. In my experience on the
40 Ilikeflight: I don't know how well this would fly with the pax (no pun intended) I personally don't see it happening
41 Vtnyc: mebbe they got the idea from Indian Railways Ditto esp. You echoed my sentiments !!!
42 DEVILFISH: One question. Would there be "snoring and non-snoring" sections? It looks like somebody suddenly sitting up would hit his head above.
43 RoyalAtlantis: wow...that looks horrific. it's like a youth hostile in the sky...less people snore when they're seated upright in coach - can you imagine this? being
44 BHMBAGLOCK: You need to think more creatively. Agreeed,the idea of actually sleeping horizontally(real deep sleep) on a long flight strikes me as the exact oppos
45 MotorHussy: Or the sound of a T7's engines to drown them out. Oh that's right, LH only have A330's and A340's in this class. But seriously, you need to have pass
46 KhelmDTW: I just don't see it working. What about the crash position? The seats help save your life, and I don't see a bed like that being able to do it. (And w
47 Dl777lax: Besides the obvious concern with structural integrity of the beds, and inconvience of snoring passangers (don't the lif-flat business/first class allr
48 KhelmDTW: Good points, but I do believe that each oxygen mask has its own apparatus that chemically provides oxygen. As for the evacuation question, good point
49 SQ452: That picture is just absolutely crazy and nuts! reminds me of the sleeper buses in China...not being long enough for tall westerners like me
50 MarkHKG: I would add that existing crew rest bunk areas also use oxygen generating cylinders in the PSU. Is there an actual official link to a Lufthansa webpa
51 A3xx900: what is the source anyway? I don't think it is real, looks like a hoax to me; especially when you have a look at the filename of the pic: .../jumpseat
52 Jbernie: actually in some ways i find quite appealing.... if nothing else it should be a darn sight easier to get to the bathroom in the middle of the night th
53 Acheron: If those beds are anything like their seats...
54 Tranceport: oh jeez.....I've consumed a bottle of wine tonight and can't be so politically incorrect as to post what first came to mind when I saw the graphic....
55 TriStar500: Show me a reliable source and I'll believe it. Otherwise it is just a very creative (and kind of funny) late April fool's joke.
56 GBan: Well, if you click the picture in the OP you'll see the name of the image file: shithansacattlesleeper.jpg I somehow doubt LH would use that file nam
57 PanHAM: That would give a completely new meaning for the Y on the ticket - youth hostel class Nice joke, but far from reality and certainly no LH planning
58 ZakHH: Your application for the "biggest bullshit post of the month" award was received, thank you. If your comment shows one thing, then it is that you do
59 ZakHH: I'd somehow doubt that LH would publish such things on Photobucket, so I guess the file name is from whoever put it there. Given his well known "appr
60 OD-BWH: No matter how sleepy you feel, would you spend a 10+ hr flight or so sleeping!! I don't think so. Guess it's some sort of a fantasy or so
61 ThirtyEcho: What if HAL9000 turns off the life support? This looks like something out of Stalag 17. Just imagine the snore quotient; just imagine the...err...meth
62 HT: THAT answer is rather simple: Sabena332 posted this pic, that he had found, on Photobucket. If you have followed various threads about LH, I dare to
63 LH526: Not gonna happen: - Safety issues, now way this arrangement will make it through an evacuation procedure. No authority will grant permission and certi
64 Burkhard: A link to a real Lufthansa survey would change my view that a.netters start bashing each other with any hoax.
65 Buck3y3nut: I was about to say that Then I read your post... That's what they call it there too: Sleeper class. But it ranges from 3-tier (sort of like Y) to 2-t
66 Trent1000: safety first, not covenience. There would also be issues of air flow/air conditioning, passenger access and potential for (and consequences of) injur
67 EMA747: This is an interesting idea. I can see some problems though. First off how do you have your food? Going without food for 12 hours can obviously be don
68 SuseJ772: Or European sleeper trains. I agree. I like the idea and even if it doesn't work out...I am glad to see someone brainstorming in the aviation industr
69 Sv2008: I don't see these would be very comfortable at all...........if airlines want to increase comfort on ultra long flights they should create a (small) a
70 Sabena332: Short explanation: This Flyertalk.com thread, I saw it yesterday night while browsing the forums there and decided to post it here on A.net because I
71 DEVILFISH: Now, a Teutonic blonde would certainly distract one from noticing the loud snores all around, but could give rise to other strange noises which might
72 SkyHigh777: Careful with your choice of words! I believe there was a thread a couple of weeks ago regarding someone using the term "cheapo cabin"....apparently i
73 PC12Fan: Another pic: http://cs.whiskey.sk/ft/sleeper_class.jpg
74 Glareskin: Whatever you might think of the first artist impression, it is an innovative idea! And it is probably the cheapest way to fly first class. For me, the
75 BlueSkys: Imagine the snoring orchestra! IMO it looks like a chicken coupe! no thanks, i would rather take Y class seats. I can also imagine low level manuverin
76 BlueSkys: And a fat leather clad bald man with a spike collar carrying a whip walking up and down the aisles!
78 Flyboy_se: I can imagine how nice it would be to be stuck in the middle section and have someones stinky feet right next to your face. Really enjoyable 12 hour f
79 Tod: Some have generators, some have gaseous oxygen. The problem with using generators installed in the bunks would be heat release. You would need a dece
80 PLANEGUY: That cabin looks like a flying youth hostel. Interesting concept though. I'm sure the check-in agents would appreciate it. This way passengers wouldn'
81 XJETFlyer: New meaning to stacking them like sardines!
82 Elite: It would be slightly annoying for those who want to do work or is traveling with someone they know. Although technically it might be acceptable, I dou
83 StrandedInBGM: Oh dear Buddha. What would happen if an equipment replacement needed to be done due to emergency maintenance?
84 LHFADUS: nice idea, but hard to believe that this will really happen. at least not those center-beds. from a "comfort-point-of-view", just have a look at how l
86 WN230: Same here and i dont want to be hitting someone on my way down off my bed to use the lav or to just walk around. WN230
87 KLM685: That looks alot like the airplane from the 5th element movie. Where passengers went into this metal beds and slept until arriving to the destination.
88 Flyboy2001: Yeah, this looks like a ton of problems waiting to unfold... someone kicks you in the ribs when they slip on the way down, or whacks you in the head a
89 Vasu: Would it not get claustrophobic? It doesn't look like there's anywhere for the passenger to go for a wander etc... Whilst I've done the whole sleeper
90 Wsp: OMG, just imagine if we ever get 10 abreast seating and the passenger in the middle seat needs to crawl over his neighbors on the way to the lavatory
91 OHLHD: I follow right behind! Wuhaa, I guess you have never been to one! Next you refer to this idea as the death train to Auschwitz. Think first please bef
92 HT: Make the two decks of a A380 one and use that a/c for Zero Gravitation flights. Would give a heck of room to "fly" in. Problem would of course be the
93 Saxdiva: Anyone ever been on a small overnight boat trip (fishing/diving)? The boats here in California give you a bunk that really isn't any more spacious. An
94 Fllcontinental: It could make some money but once people buy a ticket for it and see what they spent all that money on they will not fly it again and it will decline.
95 OHLHD: Since this is only an idea I cannot see how you come to this conclusion. Whoever flew LH will be happy to lie instead of being trapped in their seats
97 TGV: There is no Sleeper TGV. You must have been on a specila train (he on-board disco is not a regular feature). The night trains are "Corail Lunea": htt
98 SAOAP: If LH changed to this, I for one would never ever fly LH Economy again...
99 Vasu: Sounds like that's what it was. It was some sort of chartered Ski Train
100 Lono: Everyone has been on a flight when some "Earth Child" takes off their shoes... and the smell was overwhelming.... now imagine a whole A/C PAX with th
101 Wsp: It is highly recommended to take off your shoes on long haul flights to improve blood circulation in your legs. BA's travel kit includes socks for ex
102 Flyboy2001: Ok, that's fine if you think a kick in the ribs is no worse than someone bumping your knees as they "crawl" over you. I happen to disagree. I don't d
103 Type-Rated: I don't think this would be implemented. Years ago, trains used to offer "berths" similar to the LH graphic for sleeping. The US government eventually
104 TGV: I agree that vertical movement can be stronger on a plane than on a train. On the other hand side movements are stronger on a train, especially when
105 Cgnnrw: Can you say "youth hostel in the sky accommodations"? Great 150 people snoring, burping, farting and scratching themsleves (in places I'd rather not m
106 TGV: But seated passengers won't do this ? I agree totally with you, but let say 5 inches !
107 LHFADUS: Seems this is for real! At least LH is asking PAX in surveys what they think about such a sleeper's section. My sister is in a travel agency, they get
108 UPPERDECKFAN: I think we'll see first people flying standing (no seats) than this one. At least, A&B have taken a look in the past at the posibility of a bus-plane
109 Patroni: Where is this new? Weren't beds like this already offered on the Stratocruiser and the DC-7C? I would definitely book it on a 12h night flight. If thi
110 Tod: Unlikely, unless a new aircraft is designed with that capability in mind. Most commercial aircraft can already hold the maximum number of pax allowed
111 UPPERDECKFAN: When I refer to Airbus and Boeing studiying it in the past, they were thinking on development of new aircrafts. This concept was parked a while ago d
112 Olle: For my flights to Chile this would be wonderful. A chance to get full sleep and get fresh to the destination. On this flights you try to get your seat
113 VC10: I think if you look at the following site the sleepers on the Lockheed Constellation were somewhat more refined than those being proposed by LH http:
114 AntonovA330: Maybe they could integrate something like a "red light district" on certain flights/airlines. Oh yes, of course with curtains! And for charter airline
116 EXAAUADL: Looks like a WW2 troop ship...imagine if someone snores loudly.
117 AntonovA330: Make them run to the airport, twice around the plane and, before entering it, 50 push-ups
118 Aleksandar: Would it be wiser for LH to install some PTVs in Economy first? Patrick, as for the pic you posted at the beginning of this thread, I'll do my best to
119 Viscount724: Previous post deleted. Was in wrong thread on this subject.[Edited 2007-08-06 22:44:30]
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