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How Is AA Doing At Dallas Love Field?  
User currently offlineGhillier From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

I know they switched to all AA Eagle flights this spring and I see on aa.com that they are offering reduced mileage awards for flights from Love.

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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Not sure how they are doing at DAL, although I would guess probably not so well. I think I read somewhere on here that flights to STL and SAT were being cut.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Go figure.
So, can I pose another question on this same thread... if AA pulls out completely (can't decide whether they'd do that or not) then who will take their place? The revised Wright Amendment states that WN gets 16 gates, CO gets 2, and AA gets 3.

So who would take AA's gates?

I wish (here I go again, stop me if you've heard this one) that someone would reopen the Braniff ticketing/bag claim wing and operate out of there. Put security in the skybridge/concourse of color and you'd have an airport terminal separate from the crowded mess that Southwest has going on.


I always doubted AA could make a go at Love...


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11983 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Yes, the Eagle flights out of Love do horrible -- most of them (especially to MCI and SAT) go out near-empty just about every day. The AUS flights sometimes, especially on Mondays, Fridays and Sundays, can sometimes go out about half-full or rarely better, and the STL flights have picked up a bit now that AA can sell connections over STL. Overall, though, the flights do horribly.

To keep the gates, and keep a DAL presence, they'd be smart to drop SAT and MCI, and maybe just keep STL and AUS, and add 4-5x daily EMBs to ORD for connections there. Then, once DAL is opened up, they can add 3-4x daily M80s to ORD, LGA and LAX.


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

I know in May American Eagle and Connection carried 23,245 passengers on the four routes served out of DAL while Continental carried 27,100 passengers on their one route to Houston. I don’t know AA frequencies out of DAL to their various cities, but CO and AA both fly only fly the Embraer out of DAL. Seeing that CO one route carries more passengers than AA four, AA must not begin doing that well.

I don’t have June numbers, but figure it would be rough considering all the bad weather which causes many flight cancellations.



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

mci does not go out empty every day.. , rather, .almost full everyday to be very honest!

but hey, who's counting!?


User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
So who would take AA's gates?

I'd put money on B6.



"Reading departure signs in some big airports reminds me of the places I've been"
User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
To keep the gates, and keep a DAL presence, they'd be smart to drop SAT and MCI, and maybe just keep STL and AUS, and add 4-5x daily EMBs to ORD for connections there. Then, once DAL is opened up, they can add 3-4x daily M80s to ORD, LGA and LAX.

Im suprised that AA hasn't used the Embraers to thier advantage. As you said, they can get rid of DAL-SAT and DAL-MCI and add DAL-ORD, DAL-MIA, which would do way better. Although, that may hurt the performance on their Intra-Hub routes out of DFW.



Mason



Northwest Airlines. Now your flying smart!
User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

From what I read in this forum, It sound like AA not doing good out of DAL. I think that is reason because many people would make connection thru DFW or ORD on AA while many people not chose DAL as their final destination. So that may be reason for AA not doing good on that route. I am not sure if WN is doing good on that those route too? We will have to ask WN people, about that.

User currently offlinePr1268 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Forgive me for venting online, but I hope AA loses millions of  dollarsign  dollarsign  dollarsign  with their DAL operations. I'm still torqued over how they fought Legend Airlines every step of the way. Pretty cruel, IMO.  mad 


The only time an aircraft has too much fuel is when it is on fire.
User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 970 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 4):
I know in May American Eagle and Connection carried 23,245 passengers on the four routes served out of DAL while Continental carried 27,100 passengers on their one route to Houston. I don’t know AA frequencies out of DAL to their various cities, but CO and AA both fly only fly the Embraer out of DAL. Seeing that CO one route carries more passengers than AA four, AA must not begin doing that well.

A look at schedules from the websites for 7/16/07 shows this:

Eagle/American Connection
4x MCI
5x STL
4x AUS
3x SAT

Total: 16 flights

CO-Ex
16x DAL-IAH

Capacity seems pretty even. So American doesn't seem to be doing too badly load wise. How about yields and non-rev factors in this?

Pretty impressive little operation there for CO-EX. They seem to be working a nice little niche there without much notice - didn't realize CO-Express had that many to IAH from love.



I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

AA whether they want to admit it or not, stinks at DAL. But they will never admit they made a mistake in going over there in the first place. I cannot stand that airline, at all and they have put a few airlines out of business, so I don't shed a tear for them losing $$$$ anytime they can...............

I also miss Legend, what a great little airline, that was also killed by AA.

Karma will get AA one of these days..............and Robert Crandall, as well.


User currently offlineCjpark From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1268 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 11):
AA whether they want to admit it or not, stinks at DAL. But they will never admit they made a mistake in going over there in the first place. I cannot stand that airline, at all and they have put a few airlines out of business, so I don't shed a tear for them losing $$$$ anytime they can...............

I also miss Legend, what a great little airline, that was also killed by AA.

Karma will get AA one of these days..............and Robert Crandall, as well.

Mistake or not it was a strategic move on their part to ensure they would have a place at the airport if and when it was opened up.

Was your airline a victim of the free market system Jay?



"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting Cjpark (Reply 12):
Was your airline a victim of the free market system Jay?

I'll stick up for Jay on this one.
No, his (and my) airline was not a victim of the free market system. I am ALL FOR increased competition. Unfortunately, American Airlines is not. I can't blame them. But the things they did to Legend for several years were inarguably predatory.
The only people who don't see it that way are the people that mattered: the politicians.
When you lose a lawsuit and sue again under the same allegations, that's lawsuit abuse on top of all the other sins.

But, this is off topic.

You think B6 will move in? Interesting... with all the fanfare and panache they've got, they could almost resurrect the Braniff heritage at Love Field.... Nice thought!


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

I flew AA AUS-DAL-MCI a couple of times last fall. Liked the service, liked the AA wing of the DAL terminal (quiet) and I liked getting 2,000 bonus miles to my AAdvantage account for connecting in DAL!

I would connect in DAL again even without the bonus miles.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 14):
I would connect in DAL again even without the bonus miles.

Agreed... Love is a breeze to do anything in: be dropped off, transfer, be picked up, rent a car, what have you. Dallas Love is very much a more manageable facility than DFW.
I like DFW a lot, too; it serves a certain purpose that Love never could.
But for my O&D airport of choice when returning home, give me Love any day.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 13):
You think B6 will move in? Interesting... with all the fanfare and panache they've got, they could almost resurrect the Braniff heritage at Love Field.... Nice thought!

They've tried that at HOU with dismal results; why would DAL be better?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Quoting Cjpark (Reply 12):
Mistake or not it was a strategic move on their part to ensure they would have a place at the airport if and when it was opened up.

Was your airline a victim of the free market system Jay?

Nope, I don't even work for an airline, I just hate AA and their arrogant attitude.

Looks like their "strategy" of moving to Love Field, ain't working. I "love" that!!


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3006 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Here are onboard load factors for the first four months of 2007 departing DAL

Kansas City
Jan
AA 32.8% (1x/day)
AA* 57.0% (3x/day)

Feb
AA 30.5% (1x/day)
AA* 65.8% (3x/day)

Mar
AA 34.8% (1x/day)
AA* 74.1% (3x/day)

Apr
AA* 65.1% (4x/day)

St Louis
Jan
AA 24.1% (3x/day)
AA* 50.8% (2x/day)

Feb
AA 27.4% (3x/day)
AA* 56.3% (2x/day)

Mar
AA 36.2% (3x/day)
AA* 69.6% (2x/day)

Apr
AA 31.6% (1x/day)
AA* 60.7% (4x/day)

Austin
4x/day on AA*
Jan 25.7%
Feb 30.5%
Mar 36.2%
Apr 33.6%

San Antonio
3x/day on AA*
Jan 29.9%
Feb 36.7%
Mar 47.9%
Apr 43.4%


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5948 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Those numbers are absolutely dismal.
What's the difference between AA and AA*???

I typically find myself in nearly full jungle jets when I go COEx to IAH...


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3006 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 19):
Those numbers are absolutely dismal.
What's the difference between AA and AA*???

AA is mainline American....M80 or 737
AA* is American Eagle...50-seat RJs.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

On a related note...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3510640/


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 8):
I am not sure if WN is doing good on that those route too? We will have to ask WN people, about that.

I don’t know about specific routes but overall WN is doing well as DAL

May 2007
WN 659,841 passengers up 21.70% from May 2006 542,173 passsengers

Also from the Dallas Morning News “Mr. Kelly said changes in the Wright amendment have led to a tremendous jump in traffic and revenues for flights at Dallas Love Field. He said the increased traffic, up about 30 percent, may produce an additional $100 million in annual revenue for Southwest.”



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Quoting Jr (Reply 10):
Pretty impressive little operation there for CO-EX. They seem to be working a nice little niche there without much notice - didn't realize CO-Express had that many to IAH from love.

Now if only we can get CO to throw in a couple 737s here and there, it would be great!



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offline737DAB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 6):
I'd put money on B6.

I wouldn't. Where would they fly to? They wouldn't be able to fly to any of their hubs because of the Wright Amendment.



Nothing is certain.
25 Tornado82 : ExpressJet has the 145XR's, and could fly to practically any city in the country from DAL with the XR's range (sans EWR and CLE). If I were ExpressJet
26 JayDavis : Good idea Tornado82, yet I think at one time, COEX had service from DAL to CLE and it didn't do very well. Also don't know how people would like to fl
27 SkyyMaster : Is there anything in the amended WA agreement/compromise that states an airline has to actually use the gates they lease at DAL? What's to keep AA fro
28 ScottB : Except that would probably provoke the nuclear response from AA. It's also a business plan which really only works for about the next seven years. Av
29 JayDavis : Just heard on the 5pm local KDFW Fox 4 News that AA was dropping service to STL and SAT starting in September from DAL. But AA is doubling service to
30 MoMan : So you started a new thread about it? We knew that DAL-STL was not doing well. Maybe they will bring back a couple more STL-DFW flights, which are al
31 JayDavis : Yes, I started a new thread and gave the link to the Fox 4 website for people to read the entire article. I'm really surprised that they dropped STL,
32 RJNUT : I didnt think that was the case,,,And they are now doubling the flights...Dont always believe everything pepole on here say!
33 MoMan : What are you talking about? STL is a AA hub. AA still flies DFW-STL, they are just dropping DAL-STL, which was added back in 2006 to retaliate agains
34 Cch362 : WN has really given AA a good spanking on this one. Of AA's four DAL routes, STL has the worst load factor -- about 33%. MCI has the best, but at less
35 Tornado82 : Who said CLE and EWR? I'm talking ExpressJet's branded, unaffiliated "X-Jet" service. "X-Jet" isn't even allowed to fly to EWR/CLE. X-Jet could sure
36 ScottB : It can be balanced between DFW and DAL; after all, they've got ERJ's at their disposal, too. ERJ's at DAL to remain Wright-compliant, MD-80's at DFW,
37 Tornado82 : Eagle's "standard" ERJ-145's can't do what X-Jet's 145-XR's can do. That was my point.
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