Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2655 times:
Dubai Airport is considering purchase of Manukau City's 10% stake in Auckland International Airport. Given Dubai Airport & EK ultimately have common owners, this provides support to EK establishing a real hub out of AKL. They have already mentioned that they will soon be operating AKL - US West Coast, and this would presumably be timed to also provide connectivity with SYD, MEL, BNE.
TruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
Interesting... I just dont see it happening though. Not the Dubai to buy Auckland airport but the EK AKL-LAX or SFO as people would never think about going EK on that route as it is no where near the 2 destinations.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 1): Interesting... I just dont see it happening though. Not the Dubai to buy Auckland airport but the EK AKL-LAX or SFO as people would never think about going EK on that route as it is no where near the 2 destinations.
.will be interesting if they attempt AKL-LAX/SFO.... other carriers have been successfully using 5th freedom rights..
Now while I know the United Arab Emirates (certainly Dubai) has Open Skies with the United States, I'm not so sure how it would work out out of AKL....
Fly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
It could actually plug the gap for them, particularly if they also operated non-stop SFO/LAX - DXB. This would enable them to be a round-the-world carrier.
Personally, I think they would be probably looking at AKL-GRU a few days a week at some stage in future in order to achieve the same. If the flights were well timed, this would also provide connectivity from Australia to South America on an airline who supposedly has quite a good product.
ZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 1): as people would never think about going EK on that route as it is no where near the 2 destinations
Not sure about this. Look at the airlines who fly the Atlantic who are "no where near the 2 destinations" yet have a presence. EK have service. 10 abreast on a 77W is a bit tight for 12+ hours to LAX but their cabin service is competitive.... they are fast building market presence here thanks to their superior cabin service on the tasman and competitive fares to SE Asia and Europe. Just as SQ, MH, AI, PK, NZ, TN, etc, have established a presence on the north atlantic, so too, EK could on the Pacific ex AKL.Make no mistake - this is a company with a deep wallet and big ambitions. I wouldn't underestimate their potential to attract customers to the South Pacific USA market.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21683 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 5): so too, EK could on the Pacific ex AKL
but all our other examples use fifth freedom as it is meant to be used. an intermediate stop on a route.
AKL is not intermediate. AKL is further from DXB than LAX is. LAX-DXB is almost the same distance as DXB-SYD, in the opposite direction. There is no geographical reason for EK to serve AKL-LAX from a standpoint of connecting to DXB.
They don't currently fly LAX-DXB, so this isn't a fifth freedom flight. LAX-AKL-SYD-DXB is four countries, but fifth freedom would only apply to LAX-AKL-DXB without a stop. It's a seventh freedom flight, and there's no reason they would automatically have the right to such a flight, even with open skies between the USA and UAE.
Open skies between Korea and the USA, for example, wouldn't automatically give a US carrier the right to fly ICN-FRA without a connection from FRA-USA and an agreement between the USA and Germany.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Thankyou for the clarification; actually I'm not saying I agree with EK doing this; just that I don't underestimate their potential to pull it off sooner or later as part of a round-the-world service just as NZ do, albeit somewhat more directly - between LHR and both HKG and LAX. Further liberalisation of air routes seems likely.
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
If the New Zealand and United States grant EK the right to operate AKL-LAX-AKL with local traffic rights,what's in it for them and existing carriers flying the route? I just don't see EK getting the traffic rights. I understand competition is good for consumers,but what happens if it undermines the viability of NZ?
Personally I feel this will be very bad move, and I hope that the regulators nip it in the bud before it gets too far, as once they have the 10% share they are well placed to go on and obtain 50.1% and therefore control.
I would be very concerned about Dubai Airport owning Auckland Airport, and then being able to "negotiate" deals with its own airline Emirates for landing charges that would ultimately allow Emirates to undercut other airlines flying out of Auckland, and in particular cherry pick some of the more profitable routes that these airlines fly.
Not that it will happen immediately, but it will happen over time as international airline agreements are liberalised. To me it is a bit like the phone company being able to own the broadband supplier, which most countries in the world are moving away from.
The Middle East business headquartered on the shores of the Persian Gulf is chaired by Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, part of the billionaire Maktoum family who run the tiny emirate of Dubai, which derives its money as a global service centre for neighbouring oil-rich emirates like Abu Dhabi.
Where once the oil-rich Arabs frittered their money on Rolls Royces and designer gear, now these investors buy prized global assets with long-haul returns. And as DAE chief and American Bob Johnson said in Auckland yesterday, the business regards Auckland Airport as part of his plans to "build up an airport portfolio for the next 100 years".
According to website dubaiaerospace.com, DAE is only 15 months old.
UAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
DAE is an independent company, nothing to do with Emirates. They have their own strategy and shareholders which consist of large firms based in Dubai.
Emaar company (owner of tallest structure in the world)
Dubai International Capital (Rumored to buy stake in EADS)
Amlak Finance (Leading Islamic Finance company)
Dubai Airport Free Zone
Istihmar (largest shareholder)
DIFC (International Stock Exchange)
Government of Dubai