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DL To Start LAX-SAN  
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8251 times:

DL will be starting 10x weekly LAX-SAN service, operated by ExpressJet.

Will the Eagle codeshare continue?

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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

IMHO, DL does not have enough feed at LAX to make this route profitable on an RJ, especially with fuel costs rising.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 1):
IMHO, DL does not have enough feed at LAX to make this route profitable on an RJ, especially with fuel costs rising.

Especially with a frequency of only 10x per WEEK? Oh well, let's see how it does...



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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8202 times:

I think I would rather drive 2 hours than fly

User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8202 times:

It could fit in well with their latin america flights. But until the schedule is out who knows.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 4):
But until the schedule is out who knows.

Starting Aug 1 1X per day on Tues/Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat
Flt 7738 dep LAX 6:10pm arr SAN 7:00pm
Flt 7737 dep SAN 7:45pm arr LAX 8:35pm

Increases on Aug 30 to 2X per day on Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri/Sun
Flt 7744 dep LAX 8:55am arr SAN 9:45am
Flt 7745 dep SAN 10:25am arr LAX 11:15am

Flt 7738 dep LAX 6:00pm arr SAN 6:50pm
Flt 7737 dep SAN 7:45pm arr LAX 8:35pm



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

Making up for the cancelled LA-TJ service (another thread) -- they're gonna try THIS side of the border now! It will probably be more successful but the frequency is certainly not overwhelming! It's apparently timed for very specific connections (to intl service.) I assume these flights will be served at the CT at Lindbergh. As already mentioned, with this minimal number of flights, the code-share will certainly continue, I suppose.

We've got to admit that DL is certainly trying just about everything out of LAX these days; a lot of it will stick while some will slide down the wall and into the dirt...

bb


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

Well, let's see - "Shuttle By United" tried this many years ago - and pulled out. At one time or another, many airlines have done "tag-ons" to LAX flights, extending them to SAN, such as AA doing IAD-LAX-SAN in the past.

Today, the only real economic planes are the Saab SF340 and Embraer 120 - both prop planes designed for short haul. Both of these airlines are going after the long-distance traveller from LAX who can afford the very expensive cost for the short flight.

For Delta and ExpressJet to enter the fray would indicate to me that DL hopes to connect some travellers to further destinations beyond LAX...but DL's operations at LAX are not extensive enough to warrant this service, in my opinion.

Question: How short of a flight can one have in an EMB145 and still have it be profitable? SAN-BFL is only 42 minutes (I've done it), so LAX would only be 20-25 minutes. Is that economical?



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User currently offlineWN230 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 341 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

Quoting Meta (Reply 3):
I think I would rather drive 2 hours than fly

Same here, but i'd want to try it out just once to see what the short service is like.

WN230



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
Well, let's see - "Shuttle By United" tried this many years ago

Well, shuttle was running mainline jets at high frequency. A bit different.

Quoting Meta (Reply 3):
I think I would rather drive 2 hours than fly

Or take the best and cheapest option, the train.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

for me its great because there are bigger planes flying out of LAX but i live in SAN so it is roughly the same price for me to go SAN-LAX-ATL and i have the fun of flying on the 777

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7717 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
Today, the only real economic planes are the Saab SF340 and Embraer 120 - both prop planes designed for short haul.

But don't forget that both AE and UX are running a few jets themselves on the SD-LA route and have been for some time so there must be certain times or other circumstatnces that make the RJs practical...

I haven't really researched the DL/LAX intl schedules yet to know for sure but my guess is there something arriving LA at a certain time that is full of pax heading for Lindbergh. Anyone familiar with the LAX schedules know? (Maybe it's not even a DL arrival but a SkyTeam partner that wanted "DL"metal, more seats, or just a jet instead of the code-share turbo-prop.)

 scratchchin 

bb


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

I wonder if they would ever restart TUS-LAX....might do well with just an ERJ.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

This is great, having something to think and talk about while we all wait to hear what Virgin America is really planning! Thanks, Delta, for the distraction...  Smile

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 7):
Well, let's see - "Shuttle By United" tried this many years ago - and pulled out. At one time or another, many airlines have done "tag-ons" to LAX flights, extending them to SAN, such as AA doing IAD-LAX-SAN in the past.

And don't forget the 747s that used to fly that 109 miles (e.g. UA to HNL via LA!)

bb


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting Meta (Reply 3):
I think I would rather drive 2 hours than fly

2 hrs? Not on the 405!!!



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1534 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
But don't forget that both AE and UX are running a few jets themselves on the SD-LA route and have been for some time so there must be certain times or other circumstatnces that make the RJs practical...

UAX has no RJ service, but they do have 18x daily on EM2. AE has 4 ERJ and 12 SF3. I just don't see this route doing well enough to justify RJ's...but hey what do I know.

It is interesting to see that DL is trying shorthaul now out of LAX. And just last week they announced they were pulling down longhaul for the fall...interesting games we play...



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
UAX has no RJ service, but they do have 18x daily on EM2.

They ran CRJ-700's until recently.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7497 times:
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Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
just last week they announced they were pulling down longhaul for the fall.

What long-haul pulldown are you talking about?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
I haven't really researched the DL/LAX intl schedules yet to know for sure but my guess is there something arriving LA at a certain time that is full of pax heading for Lindbergh. Anyone familiar with the LAX schedules know?

The 7:45pm SAN-LAX will connect to all the red-eyes out of LAX - JFK, BOS, BDL, CMH, CVG, RDU, ATL, FLL, MCO, TPA, JAX, GUA, GDL, LIR, BZE, CAN (operated by CZ), ICN (KE), TPE (CI)

The 6pm LAX-SAN will be taking in some of the Mexican feed.

The morning flights don't connect that well - only with a handful of cities on DL metal and some codeshares.

Does anyone know if this is another one of the XJet "at risk" flying?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7412 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
But don't forget that both AE and UX are running a few jets themselves on the SD-LA route and have been for some time



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 15):
UAX has no RJ service,



Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 16):
They ran CRJ-700's until recently.

Oooops, my bad. Thanks for your back-up, '7E7; I'll have to check that and see when UAx cut the jets (and scold myself for not noticing.  Wink )

Quoting Panamair (Reply 17):
The 7:45pm SAN-LAX will connect to all the red-eyes out of LAX - JFK, BOS, BDL, CMH, CVG, RDU, ATL, FLL, MCO, TPA, JAX, GUA, GDL, LIR, BZE, CAN (operated by CZ), ICN (KE), TPE (CI)
The 6pm LAX-SAN will be taking in some of the Mexican feed.

Thanks for the info Panam'. I would suspect the intl connectors are the ones this flight is designed to please as well as, I suppose, any of the new western region stuff that DL has started out of LA (but I don't think the timing is good for any of that.)

There might be a few hard-core SkyMiles-ers who want to fly SAN-RNO, SMF, PDX or HNL but who also want 1) no props, and 2) no SLC connection! (I know, it's far fetched but am I not correct that there are LOTS of high-level SkyMiles-ers in SAN?)

bb


User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7279 times:

That is good that more of airlines are start interstate flights. It has been doing very well in Texas with WN, CO, and AA. WN and CO are huge popular in Texas. The reason for more interstate flight in California is that it is soo long and a lot of people would need to travel for business purpose and flight is their only way to get there same day or next day when necessary. NW, UA and F9 has been doing that between SFO and LAX and another cities in california. Since SAN is largest town in south of calfornia and it would be easier for people to fly fron north part of california to SAN to save their time driving. (any critique or comments welcome)

User currently offlineDL777LAX From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7205 times:

Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 19):
F9 has been doing that between SFO and LAX

F9 pulled out of LAX-SFO, AS pulled SFO-SAN. Intrastate flights in California are just too short and too competitve to make any serious money. A drive to San Diego takes 4 hours from my house in West LA. A flight to SAN for a weekend vacation means getting to LAX two hours before the flight, a half hour flight, half hour to get a rental, and a half hour to drive in San Diego. Its still quicker to drive to San Diego.



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User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 20):
Its still quicker to drive to San Diego.

No it isn't. BTW I've never shown up two hours before a flight.


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Quoting Meta (Reply 3):
I think I would rather drive 2 hours than fly

For a final destination of Los Angeles, flying makes no sense. Car or train are the reasonable options. SAN-LAX is for connecting traffic, and driving to LAX to catch a flight isn't that attractive. Sure, I've done it, but it is two hours driving, and thats only if you don't hit any traffic.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
I assume these flights will be served at the CT at Lindbergh.

It's possible, but I wouldn't make that assumption automatically. Delta Connection flights to SLC have been running out of T2, even though SkyWest has a presence in CT as well for the UAX flying. And back when SkyWest was doing the SAN-LAX flying for DL, they were out of CT as well. But Delta may want to keep all the flying under their brand together at T2, rather than having to send LAX passengers over to CT, where they'd either have to set up their own branding or have their customers see only "ExpressJet Airlines" and not "Delta Connection".


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 22):
It's possible, but I wouldn't make that assumption automatically. Delta Connection flights to SLC have been running out of T2, even though SkyWest has a presence in CT as well for the UAX flying. And back when SkyWest was doing the SAN-LAX flying for DL, they were out of CT as well. But Delta may want to keep all the flying under their brand together at T2, rather than having to send LAX passengers over to CT, where they'd either have to set up their own branding or have their customers see only "ExpressJet Airlines" and not "Delta Connection".

Right, '717, these are thoughts that went thru my head. I understand that there is apparently no real "rule" about whom or what cx and/or routes are to be located at the CT but it certainly has been pretty consistent that LA-bound service has all been there. I agree that from DL's perspective, it would be much better to have anything of theirs leave from T2W BUT right now, anyone flying to LA on "Delta" (Connection) is expecting to leave from the CT. (I kind of doubt there's much room at the CT for more counter space with XE now in residence...)

It does seem kind of complicated; that's why I brought up the question. It will be intersting to see how it ends up.

(Incidentally, SAN-SLC looks to be back to all mainline this September. Maybe because of B6 entering the market, or...)

bb


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5843 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 22):
But Delta may want to keep all the flying under their brand together at T2, rather than having to send LAX passengers over to CT, where they'd either have to set up their own branding or have their customers see only "ExpressJet Airlines" and not "Delta Connection".

But wouldn't having the flights at T2 really mix things up? The American Eagle codeshare flights leave from the commuter terminal, right?

So what you are suggesting would have some DL passengers with LAX tickets having to go to T2 while others would go to the CT.

Seems like that like would be even more confusing.



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25 Hawaiian717 : This is what it was like when United Shuttle was on the route, since it didn't completely replace the SkyWest Brasilias. If you were on a Shuttle fli
26 RedTailDTW : I think it would do well. LAX-PHX has a lot more competition and they are doing very well. I think LAX-TUS would do just fine. Mason
27 Post contains images JRDC930 : In a Dream world... , even on a good day LA to SAN by car can take atleast 3-4 hrs, and 6 when theres trafic. I would much rather fly than drive in t
28 FATFlyer : I can partially agree with you on some of that, but the question is how easy or confusing did passengers find those situations. It may be no more con
29 JFKPurser : PS Used to fly 727-200s every 30 minutes. At one point in the 1970s, AA flew many daily frequencies with 707s and DC10s. I once flew a WA 707-347C on
30 CALPSAFltSkeds : The point is that in the 70's you pretty much had to travel to LAX to get anywhere east out of SAN. SAN single runways is becoming more crowded and t
31 ArcrftLvr : Is it me or does it seem like DL's expansion might be a bit too aggressive? I hope they are not biting off more than they can chew.
32 SANFan : I was kidding when I posted: Looking at the schedules, it really looks to me like they just took the a/c from the LAX-TIJ flight and changed the dest
33 Laxintl : Interesting. Add that casulty to Managua which got axed pretty early on in the Spring. So now DL is only left with 2 of its 4 (LIB & GUA) Central Ame
34 SANMAN66 : Speaking of short flights, I remember in the mid to late 1980's,both Delta and Eastern flew SAN-ATL which stopped in ONT ,which was only a 20 minute f
35 Post contains images SANFan : And the LAX-TIJ pm flight schedule was (on 2,3,4,5,6): Flt 7685 dep LAX 6:10pm arr TIJ 7:10pm Flt 7686 dep TIJ 7:40pm arr LAX 8:35pm (and there was a
36 Platinumfoota : What? I live in West LA and it only takes me 2hrs and 15 minutes to SD in the morning with some traffic, how slow are u driving? and who drives to SD
37 DL777LAX : I've done Oceanside to my place in about an hour and a half at two in the morning. Its fun to say you barrelled down the 405 going 100mph. There is a
38 Post contains images Platinumfoota : YES!! And maybe UA can codeshare with them
39 SANFan : I thought I'd include another piece of information regarding this discussion of DL service between LA and SD. Some of this has been alluded to on othe
40 Post contains images Flyingcat : That was your mother! Why I outta...... Seriously though I wonder if it is possible to use codeshare to help with the flights. Do any of the cuurent
41 Boeing7E7 : Even in the existing HSR plan, there is no plan for the San Diego-LA leg to be high speed. This is why its the last leg of the entire system, if the
42 SuseJ772 : This was my thought as well. DL seems to be trying to make LAX a focus-city (if not a mini-hub) but then (at least in my arm chair opinion) does seem
43 Post contains links RDUDDJI : Being discussed here: DL Schedule Changes In Sept. (by RocANDtpa Jul 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)
44 HVNandrew : MGA and BZE are both "seasonal" flights. Both return in November, BZE 1x weekly on a 752, MGA 2x weekly on a 738.
45 Post contains images JRDC930 : Maybe i have just had bad luck, but from San Bernardino, which is closer to SAN, it normally takes me 3.5, 3 hrs at best when there is no traffic, and
46 Laxintl : Well neither were certainly advertised as "seasonal" when launched and the timing of their discontinuations are also somewhat odd if this was truly a
47 Hawaiian717 : American Eagle runs a bus between their terminal and to several different terminals (T2, T3, T4, T5, and T6 as I recall) to facilitate the various co
48 Coronado990 : As long as airports make most of their money from parking lots in front of the terminal, I doubt train/metro's will ever be encouraged to serve our a
49 XJET : Yeah, and don't they also serve SNA, CRQ, and OXR? I mean.....SNA is really really close to LAX. They serve that route 5x daily I believe.
50 San747 : Really? Because I consistently do San Jacinto-Culver City (essentially the same destination, but add 30 miles to the origin) in 2.5 hours, and that's
51 CALPSAFltSkeds : Those were the days. MTDB has discontinued through service on most routes. Several routes used to continue through downtown between south and north o
52 San747 : They sure do, I'm flying JFK-LAX-SNA on UA on the 21st!
53 Platinumfoota : That seems to happens to me sometimes, but mostly they re-open lanes when traffic picks up. Most people use the 405 but i just use the 5 all the way.
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