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Pax Carrying Bags On Board, A Bad Thing?  
User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6451 times:

It seems there is a real animosity towards pax carrying everything they can onboard the aircraft as a carryon. I know it gets extremely annoying and frustrating when some idiot is trying to stuff a huge rollaboard into the overhead (especially on an RJ) but with the state of today's system of checking bags, can you blame them?

I have worked in MHK for a few months as gate agent/ticket agent/ramp agent/baggage agent and I certainly don't blame the pax for trying to avoid checking their bags and carry everything on board that they can. We deal with WAYYYY too many lost bags that get mishandled and misconnected and even though they may be on DL or AA or WN or anyone else on their flights all day, its always US's fault and I get the receiving end of angry pax who make it without their bags way too often.

Sorry for the rant, but the point is, with the baggage nightmare that is PHL and occasionally DEN at times, can you really blame the pax for not wanting to deal with the possibility of their stuff being lost?

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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6436 times:

If I had my way all checked bags would be scanned at the counter. Scanned when they are put on the cart, then scanned right before they go up the ramp into the plane. Would solve alot of problems about where bags are and if they are missing...

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6411 times:

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 1):
Scanned when they are put on the cart, then scanned right before they go up the ramp into the plane. Would solve alot of problems about where bags are and if they are missing...

If UPS and Fedex can do it with packages (scanning at every place it changes hands), don't see why airlines can't do it. Maybe they just don't want to do it...

Similar to my recent argument regarding overbooking flights. Maybe 10-20 years ago it made sense to overbook with CONFIRMED pax, but with today's technology, there is no reason for this system to remain other than airlines are permitted to continue to do it and they don't want to treat pax better...



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User currently offlineBoeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6388 times:

I sometimes hate when people carry their small suitcase aboard plane rather than check in. They sometimes would try to put suitcase in that small overhead and suitcase is too big . F/A would patience try to help them but hafl of time would say sorry have to check in the cargo and passengers would go off about thief, damage or whatever. I always has that worry but I has to be smart what to put in suitcase and what to leave at home. I think that CRS sometimes need to be harsh by saying sorry it is too big for overhead and need to be check in. It is very hard when plane is late arrive at some place and passengers need to make the connection but suitcase stuck in overhead always make people has to wait for it to come out. THAT woudl make a lot of unhappy passengers.  irked 

User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6388 times:

I have a 22" rollaboard suiter for the overhead bin and a rolling tote for underneath the seat in front of me. Both meet the carry-on standard for all major US airlines, and I can fit everything I need for a week in the two of them. Why would I check them only to have to spend a minimum of half an hour at the baggage carousel waiting for them to appear...if they appear at all, that is.

That being said, I have zero tolerance for people who bring things on the plane as carry-on that exceed in size or number the standard set forth by the airlines. Why don't the gate agents stop them? Case in point: On my last flight, some idiot had shoved a HUGE guitar case in the overhead bin above my (empty) row of seats, effectively blocking all three slots...and the part that made me really see red was that the owner of this guitar case was seated nowhere near where he had put this oversized monstrosity. Grrrr!



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
the part that made me really see red was that the owner of this guitar case was seated nowhere near where he had put this oversized monstrosity. Grrrr!

Lost bag from the previous flight. Remove it and hand it to the FA for the lost and found (or leave it in the aisle).  devil 


User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Airlines could easily make more effort with regards to ensuring bags travel on their correct flight, but you have to remember the human (I couldn't care less / not my job) factor of those involved in the loading process...not everywhere but the majority of places. There is a system being developed (maybe ready for release) that includes a micro electronic tag in the baggage label, so bags can be traced, located and loaded in case they get lost - but airlines don't want to spend the money on the infrastructure.

It also has to be said the US carry-on allowances are far higher than here in the UK/Europe...or certainly used to be. We get 1 pce and that's it, and certainly at LHR/LGW, the size allowed is very strict. We used to get a lot of US travellers transitting , going from a 744/777/D10 to a 737 or 320, and always the arguement was "but it fitted on the other a/c overhead!" Maybe, but do you really need 2/3 carry-on's plus your 3 checked bags for a 1 week vacation?!?!

It has to be said, that do you really need to take so much in the cabin, is your time that precious? Maybe what the world needs is to calm down a bit, relax, not rush around, so hey, check your bag in and wait by the reclaim....



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User currently offlineTennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

I really like the pax that hit you in the head with their bags as they waddle down the aisle.

User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6166 times:

I am a frequent flyer and never check my bag. When I purchased my roller board, I made sure it would fit in any standard overhead. I like the freedom of leaving the plane and being on my way without the wait for baggage. I do admit that some people have no clue as to how to manage their bags nor the correct size that fits.

User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6155 times:

Perhaps people take too much crap with them period? Do people really need to carry so much stuff, checked or otherwise? I can't count how many times I have seen a couple surrounded by a literal mountain of luggage at the counter....and four days later see them retrieving the same mountain of luggage at the claim carosel. Heck....if it weren't for my golf bag, I could carry everything I really need in a grocery sack.

We are a very self-absorbed people, and it shows on the cargo loadsheet and the cabin overheads.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
On my last flight, some idiot had shoved a HUGE guitar case in the overhead bin above my (empty) row of seats, effectively blocking all three slots...

Musical instruments are specifically allowed as carry on in most airlines in the US, or at least it would seem by practice. The reason is that the liability for lost instruments are too much to pay for.

As to the carry on, I carry on whenever I can. I simply don't trust that the carrier will get my baggage to me.

As to scanning, this has been discussed in tech ops. I'm sure someone with more tech ability can find it and post the link here.  Smile But to answer quickly, most airlines are moving to scanning. The problem is getting a massive number of bags moved quickly and correctly and not confusing 2 plane or 2 similar airports when the scanner doesn't work.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 5):
Lost bag from the previous flight. Remove it and hand it to the FA for the lost and found (or leave it in the aisle).

I seriously considered following both those courses of action, but one of the flight attendants read my mind and found an empty overhead bin further back for my bag before I could do so. If there had been one male F/A on that flight I might have done it anyway, but all three F/As were tiny and female and my Southern upbringing wouldn't let me make extra work for them.



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User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned the safety aspect of restricting the size weight of handbaggage permitted on board. I, for one, certainly do not want a 15kg(33lb) bag flying around the cabin in the event of severe turbulence, I'm not sure I fancy the idea of a 5kg(11lb) bag hitting me.
If you look on the inside walls of the overhead bins I'm sure you'll find a notice stating the total maximum weight permitted in that bin - that is a structural limit. I'm sure that on many occasions that weight has been exceeded judging by what I've senn in go in them. In the event that the overhead bin fails as a result of severe turbulance I'm quite sure that any injured passenger would be only too eager to sue the airline/ manufacturer for damages, not really fair if it's been overloaded because a couple of passengers couldn't be bothered to check in their luggage and save a few minutes on arrival.
Also, if everyone on a flight decidesto take 2/3 handbags on board - it is quite likely that somebody will not be able to get their handbaggage in the overhead bins which will not only be inconvenient for him and his neighbours but would also provide the potential for an unrestrained missile in the event of turbulence to the hazard of all on board.
I've seen the results of luggage flying around the cabin as the result of severe turbulence - not a pretty sight!
In the UK only one piece is now permitted and has to be of a size to fit under the seat in front of you and - I think - a weight limit of 10kgs. Apart from the safety angle it also reduces the risk of something not permitted getting into the cabin



oTny
User currently offlineHamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

when i fly international, i am amazed how the american carriers are the ones who allow large sizes! i once flew on KLM. at the gate they were looking at every bag and telling you that you can't carry it on board. "but, i always use it when i travel, and never had to check it" , "sorry sir, this is KLM's policy". i might not have been happy about it, but if all american carriers did this, we won't see the drama that goes one before the door closes.


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User currently offlineXJRAmpeR From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2462 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 1):
If I had my way all checked bags would be scanned at the counter. Scanned when they are put on the cart, then scanned right before they go up the ramp into the plane. Would solve alot of problems about where bags are and if they are missing...

United Airlines scans bags once through security, upon entering the plane, upon unload, upon transfer, upon upload into the connecting flight, upon download from that connecting flight, upon scanning it into a back room or what not.

Northwest, IIRC scans bags as well, but I am not quite sure how they do it.

Honestly, IMO it comes down to the cost aspect. Airlines can forgo the cost of scanning bags because usually, I'll repeat, usually (not all the time) bags arrive on the next flight.

XJR



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Count me in as one against checking bags when I don't need to. Saves me time on both ends of the trip, as I don't need to get to the airport earlier to go to a ticket counter (can just do online checkin and go straight to security; saves about 5 minutes) and then at the end of the trip, I get off the plane and go straight for my car. Saves at least 15 minutes, sometimes more if baggage delivery is slow. This is part of the reason why elite status is very important to me - I'll be one of the first people to board the plane, meaning my luggage is in an overhead bin right above me; I don't need to go fighting upstream upon arrival to get my bag; just grab it right out of the overhead above me and move on.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting BladeLWS (Reply 1):
If I had my way all checked bags would be scanned at the counter. Scanned when they are put on the cart, then scanned right before they go up the ramp into the plane. Would solve alot of problems about where bags are and if they are missing...

Like BladeLWS mentioned above, we scan the bags upon loading, we scan them off of inbound flights, and now we are to scan them after putting them on a cart or makeup area - there are barcodes on the gate carts specifically for that purpose.

Also, we can check how many bags we are missing on the outbound flight and where they're coming from.


Alex.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting OtnySASLHR (Reply 12):
I, for one, certainly do not want a 15kg(33lb) bag flying around the cabin in the event of severe turbulence, I'm not sure I fancy the idea of a 5kg(11lb) bag hitting me.

Airlines don't change policy based on irrational fears. If they did that, they would stop flying since some people have an irrational fear of flying.

Quoting OtnySASLHR (Reply 12):
If you look on the inside walls of the overhead bins I'm sure you'll find a notice stating the total maximum weight permitted in that bin - that is a structural limit. I'm sure that on many occasions that weight has been exceeded judging by what I've senn in go in them. In the event that the overhead bin fails as a result of severe turbulance I'm quite sure that any injured passenger would be only too eager to sue the airline/ manufacturer for damages, not really fair if it's been overloaded because a couple of passengers couldn't be bothered to check in their luggage and save a few minutes on arrival.

And yet this has never happened that I know of, so you are exaggerating greatly. You don't know it's the structural limit that is posted, and in fact, I highly doubt it's the structural limit or anywhere close to it.

Again, irrational fears are the purview of a psychiatrist, not an aircraft engineer.  Wink



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User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

If I had my way all checked bags would be scanned at the counter. Scanned when they are put on the cart, then scanned right before they go up the ramp into the plane. Would solve alot of problems about where bags are and if they are missing...

Quoting XJRAmpeR (Reply 14):
United Airlines scans bags once through security, upon entering the plane, upon unload, upon transfer, upon upload into the connecting flight, upon download from that connecting flight, upon scanning it into a back room or what not.

Northwest, IIRC scans bags as well, but I am not quite sure how they do it.

And you would think that would help... More airlines do that as well but industry average is still about 7 bags lost/delayed for every thousand moved, which is pretty poor when you think about it as a full international 747 may have around 600 bags on it by itself. You have to look at it in a different manner. Airlines are in the business of moving people, not bags. Most airlines operate through hubs that allow minimum connecting times just enough for you to walk from one gate to the next, not as much regard to how long it takes to transfer a bag. Many airports have old and wore down belt systems which break down often, leading to dozens of missed bags at a time. Airlines don't view a bag going on a later flight as a big disaster, its inconvenient, but just a part of the game. Scanning the bags in the airline environment has not led to any substantial improvements in lost bag rates and in fact, WN and B6, which don't even interline, are not that much better at it than airlines that do.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

I have mixed feelings on this issue - I think the issue of lost bags is seriously overplayed by the media. It really doesn't happen that often, and most of the time the bag arrives on the next flight. Over the years, I've only been separated from my bags 3 times, and they've always been delivered within 24 hours. On the other hand, I can understand how 24 hours isn't acceptable for a business traveler who has to have suits and such for the next morning. And theft from bags has gotten worse in recent years.

Personally I prefer to check everything except a small backpack, just so I don't have to haul it around the airport. But sometimes, depending on where I'm travelling, I've recently switched to carrying on for shorter trips - at some airports, the wait for checked bags is ridiculous. EWR is a crap-shoot - I've had bags off 5 minutes after arriving at the carousel, and I've had it take almost an hour. AA at LGA is a joke - last trip it took 45 minutes for the damn bags to come off. LAS can be quite a wait too.

To me, though, the single biggest problem in the US is the loose definition of "personal item." For example, take a look at this Samsonite set:



They market this as a 2-piece set "for your carry-on needs." Now the rolling bag meets the overhead standards, and has a nice touch in that it can roll sideways down the aisle. But that second bag? The ad copy makes it appear that Samsonite (or eBags, whoever wrote it) considers that a "personal item." To me, it's far too big, at least if fully loaded as shown - it's a second bag, and if you turned up with both at the gate I'd make you gate-check one if I was the CSR.

The airlines need to agree on a maximum size for "personal items" and enforce it..."personal items" should fit under the seat in front of you. I understand the logic of allowing the second item - it's mainly so women's purses don't get counted as a "bag", which is fair, and to allow a small laptop case for accessability and convenience at Security. But too many passengers abuse the lack of a defined standard - I've seen businessmen argue that a very large aluminum case, which would not fit under the seat, was a "briefcase" and therefore a "personal item."

Besides defining the rule on "personal items" more clearly, it's mainly a matter of just enforcing the rules you already have - for example, a lap baby doesn't get a carry-on allotment. You have a diaper bag as well as a rollaboard each? Tough, check one. Of course, I have to admit I lean towards doing away with lap babies entirely - yes, I know the "then they'll drive, which is more dangerous..." argument, but a baby in a safety seat is both safer and more likely to sleep well, making the flight more comfortable for all concerned. (A comprimise would be for airlines to treat babies like "passengers of size" - you have to buy a ticket, but if the plane isn't 100% full you get the money back.)

Quoting OtnySASLHR (Reply 12):
If you look on the inside walls of the overhead bins I'm sure you'll find a notice stating the total maximum weight permitted in that bin - that is a structural limit.

In all my years of flying and following the industry, I have never heard of the overhead bin structure failing...maybe in the Aloha "can opener" incident, but other than that, never. I suspect that maximum weight sticker vastly understates the structural capacity of the bin. Sorry, but structural failure is a non-issue.

Having the doors pop open in turbulence IS an issue, though - but in cases like that its the loose items and small bags that fly out, not the larger rolling bags - the heavier stuff is more likely to stay in place. From a safety perspective, you could almost argue for a minimum weight for items in the overheads as well as a maximum.


User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5921 times:
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Could one of you in the industry please tell me the "ideal" size for a carry-on? (if there is one that is!) One that would fit in all overhead bins and not hog all the inside space, with the exception of RJ's of course.

Thank you,

Marc



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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
And yet this has never happened that I know of, so you are exaggerating greatly.

Ok, maybe he is a little, but you must admit there have been documented cases of overheads opening during turbulence, and bags falling down, so maybe that should justify the reduction in the allowed maximum weight of each piece, as well as the overhead manufacturers being able to develop a locking system that keeps the lockers closed upon the flight deck or cabin crew command. Not an impossibility, surely?

Quoting XJRAmpeR (Reply 14):
United Airlines scans bags once through security, upon entering the plane, upon unload, upon transfer, upon upload into the connecting flight, upon download from that connecting flight, upon scanning it into a back room or what not.

Really? Maybe this is a US only thing, 'cos it sure doesn't happen that way in the UK! Bags are scanned once they arrive into the baggage sorting area (either from the terminal or a connecting flight) and then it's off to the a/c. Bags that raise concern over where they came from are scanned again, as are bags taken from the gate room, but that's it.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):
I'll be one of the first people to board the plane

For this, should we read "I'm an Elite and I demand to get whatever I want!"? Does saving 15 minutes really make that big a difference to your life?

Personally, I think there should be an IATA standard for domestic and international flights, that way, wherever you go in the world you know exactly what is allowed.



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
If UPS and Fedex can do it with packages (scanning at every place it changes hands), don't see why airlines can't do it. Maybe they just don't want to do it...

You have way too much faith in the U.S. airline industry. I think it is probably THE most miserly industry in the world. Airlines in the U.S. only do anything about anything when forced... i.e. cargo hold smoke detectors, re-enforced cockpit doors... etc. As far as service related issues, Legacy carriers are notorious for only making improvements when someone else offers better service for less.

Quoting TSS (Reply 4):
Case in point: On my last flight, some idiot had shoved a HUGE guitar case in the overhead bin above my (empty) row of seats, effectively blocking all three slots...and the part that made me really see red was that the owner of this guitar case was seated nowhere near where he had put this oversized monstrosity. Grrrr!

Oh that drives me up the wall, on an AA flight from Barbados a few years back some guy with two kids had the nerve of filling the entire overhead area over my seat with all his crap most of which could have been crammed under the three seats he and his family occupied (of course he wants plenty of legroom at the expense of others) The flight was full so if I couldn't fit my Single rolling carry-on inside the cabin the airline would have to check it. That was NOT an option because the airline will not take responsibility for my laptop, camera, an d other electronics if they lost my bags or if their baggage handlers stole them. Let's just say that I convinced that arrogant twit to take one for the team... and problem solved.


Another annoying overhead bin incident was on a US Airways flight to Pittsburgh. I was the last one to board the plane (my actual flight got cancelled 45 minutes prior and I was re-booked on this one 20 min before departure). At the aircraft door I was told that there was no room for my SINGLE rolling suitcase and that I would have to gate check it! I grudgingly agreed (considering that my valuables were in there) only to see that a number of rolling carryons near my row weren't put in wheels first into the overhead bins, but crosswise! I got so angry I thought I was going to scream. I credit the lazy cabin crew for not making the smallest effort to accommodate 1 bag. To add insult to injury, they misplaced my bag only to find and deliver it a week later!

[Edited 2007-07-14 20:13:46]


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User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):
Count me in as one against checking bags when I don't need to. Saves me time on both ends of the trip, as I don't need to get to the airport earlier to go to a ticket counter (can just do online checkin and go straight to security; saves about 5 minutes) and then at the end of the trip, I get off the plane and go straight for my car. Saves at least 15 minutes, sometimes more if baggage delivery is slow. This is part of the reason why elite status is very important to me - I'll be one of the first people to board the plane, meaning my luggage is in an overhead bin right above me; I don't need to go fighting upstream upon arrival to get my bag; just grab it right out of the overhead above me and move on.

I think that is a very selfish attitude.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 19):
In all my years of flying and following the industry, I have never heard of the overhead bin structure failing...maybe in the Aloha "can opener" incident, but other than that, never. I suspect that maximum weight sticker vastly understates the structural capacity of the bin. Sorry, but structural failure is a non-issue

In my 45years working dispatch at LHR & LGW I can assure this is no exaggeration I can think of at least 2 cases where I've had to meet a flight that where overhead lockers had failed in flight and passengers injured.
Of course the max weight is understated just like the MTOW and MLW are as a safety feature,

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Airlines don't change policy based on irrational fears. If they did that, they would stop flying since some people have an irrational fear of flying.

I'm sorry, I don't see that I have requested airlines to change policy.
And in case you hadn't noticed people do tend to try and stuff the overhead bins so full that on occasions it necessary to remove items to get them to close and people still insist, inspite of crew instructions to the contrary, to place bottles in the overhead bins and when those fall out they hurt - I know from experience.

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 20):
Could one of you in the industry please tell me the "ideal" size for a carry-on? (if there is one that is!) One that would fit in all overhead bins and not hog all the inside space, with the exception of RJ's of course.

The maximum dimensions would appear to be115cm or 48 inches - that is add length, width and depth together and the resulting total must not exceed those figures nor be heavier than 8kg (17lb)



oTny
User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 5):
Remove it and hand it to the FA for the lost and found (or leave it in the aisle).

 checkmark  Done that before. One person, two rows behind my seat, all the overhead bins full of stuff, so I couldn't put my laptop case up there. So I took down one of the cases, said "this is bulls&*t", set it down in the aisle, sat down and started reading. The owner came by a few seconds later and took the bag away, probably to put over someone else's seat. Closest thing to air rage I'd ever experienced, but that person was being very inconsiderate so just repaying the favor.

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 8):
I made sure it would fit in any standard overhead.

I'm curious if the calculations the airlines do to establish said standard overhead include an equal amount of space per passenger. It seems to me that if everyone had a standard overhead there wouldn't be sufficient space for them all to fit, but that's just my impression.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 10):
Musical instruments are specifically allowed as carry on in most airlines in the US, or at least it would seem by practice. The reason is that the liability for lost instruments are too much to pay for.

Ban them. Or make the owner by another seat.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 22):

Oh that drives me up the wall, on an AA flight from Barbados a few years back some guy with two kids had the nerve of filling the entire overhead area over my seat with all his crap most of which could have been crammed under the three seats he and his family occupied (of course he wants plenty of legroom at the expense of others)

Happened to me more than once, unfortunately. It is more than inconsiderate.



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25 Tmamtrak : What I could really like to know is where all these lost bags go. They don't just disintigrate, so why are so many bags never returned?
26 JBo : I think the problem with creating a scanning system for baggage versus UPS and Fedex with cargo is that baggage is not consistent in shape, making any
27 LHFADUS : as some guys already said, we over here in europe have different restrictions in terms of hand-luggage than in the U.S., leaving passengers coming fro
28 Charles79 : Almost everything has been already said but I'll add my 2.25 cents...considering the amount of bags handled daily the VAST majority make it to the des
29 Mir : Not only loss, but damage. Musical instruments (particularly those made of wood) are delicate things, and the non-climate controlled cargo hold is no
30 Type-Rated : I love it when people carry on those roller bags. They seem to hit each and every aisle seat on the way in, and again on the way out. Thump, thump, th
31 Tockeyhockey : i would argue that carrying bags onto a flight actually costs everyone time. we have all been on flights where idiot passengers are trying to stuff th
32 MD-90 : This concerns me. The MSU Wind Ensemble is touring China next year, and tentatively we're scheduled to fly United from Memphis to Chicago to Beijing,
33 ClassicLover : Yes. In the olden days, the aircraft had hat racks. For your hat. Everything else went into the hold. Now, as someone who has travelled around the wo
34 HAMAD : actually, it did. you might not have heard of it. here is a story: february 2006 i was returning from denver to phoenix on a ted flight. i was seated
35 Planeguy727 : I see a passenger/airline problem in this - US based peoples tend to not want to use the space under the seat - not that a persons feet would fit back
36 HPAEAA : All I kinow, is when I travel, I carry on... when I travel for longer than I carry on, I pack what I need, and the rest goes into a checked bag... sin
37 PacNWJet : Some people are so obsessive about carrying everthing on the airplane so they don't have to wait at the baggage claim they go to ridiculous, self-defe
38 Sllevin : I have to dispute that it's a "US thing." Last month I flew LHR-WAW in BA's Club Europe, and my wife and I were amongst the last to board the plane,
39 Baron52ta : I don't know if you are aware that the situation is just stupid here in Britain now, BA alone from LHR has misdirected over 100k bags this year and n
40 Tennis69 : Checked baggage should be limited to pax that are moving. The policy should be no checked baggage if only going on holiday. Remember all hotels around
41 FLY2LIM : Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a fact that different airlines order different sizes of overhead compartments for their aircraft? Imagine if al
42 Silentbob : They should never make it on to the plane with oversize bags but it's a very common situation in PIT. Overstuffed garment bag and 26" roller bag qual
43 DurangoMac : OK, as a previous ramp and counter agent for a regional and trust when I say this, if you're flying on a small plane like the Dash-8 or EMB-120, we ra
44 Olle : When I travel in business I need to be able to change close even on a short trip. A missed bag even if its only takes 2-3 days is one disaster which m
45 Analog : And a lot of those people are underwhelmed by airlines' ability to deliver bags reliably, quickly, and without damage or theft. You'll probably be pa
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