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Why No FLL-Europe Service?  
User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

I was wondering why some airlines have not decided to fly to FLL from europe or vice versa? The 9000 ft runway can certainly handle a large aircraft. And because FLL is the fastest growing airport in USA is there a chance in the near future?

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Fort Lauderdale has service to Europe.....25 miles down I-95 that is  wink 


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24907 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

I believe FCA are starting a fortnightly LGW-FLL service usign 763ERs  Wink


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User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
I believe FCA are starting a fortnightly LGW-FLL service usign 763ERs

I can only hope!


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

There was proposed a flight from BHX with Flyblue to link with the cruise passenger needs from the UK.It did not actually get off the ground because they did not have an aircraft!!

User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Once FLL actually gets a customs facility and international terminal capable of handling such a flight, I would expect to see that. Especially once the new parallel runway is built. However, I'd expect more in the way of years rather than months.

For now, MIA will be the transatlantic and more international airport - while FLL will be the mostly domestic field with a little int'l service sprinkled in, similar to how LGA and EWR/JFK work.

[Edited 2007-07-14 20:15:28]

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population. So why doesn't Finnair, LTU or even Lufthansa fly to PBI? The Palm Beach market could certainly support a couple of weekly flights to Europe. Britannia used to run a weekly charter from PBI a couple of years ago to London, not sure what happened to that flight.

User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 5):

Once FLL actually gets a customs facility and international terminal capable of handling such a flight, I would expect to see that.

Laker started service FLL-LGW over 10 years ago and went belly up, again! I guess MIA/MCO is the preferred Florida gateways as that is where the traffic is, notwithstanding FLL being a good airport.


User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 7):
Once FLL actually gets a customs facility and international terminal capable of handling such a flight, I would expect to see that.

What about the Terminal 4?


User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 8):
What about the Terminal 4?

They can barely handle the slew of int'l flights on the 319s of NK right now...they absolutely need more room. Can you imagine a 767 pulling in from Europe at the same time that the Haitians and Dominicans are getting off of their flights with 26 bags? It would be more of a nightmare than it is at 7-8pm in Terminal 4...and most European flights arrive late afternoon and leave near dusk.

Basically, it ain't gonna happen until that situation is improved dramatically.


User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Could FLL expand past I-95 and have a taxiway built over it? (That would require I-95 to dip under.)

User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Also, forgot to ask, is there anywhere else on the FLL grounds right now where an international terminal could be built, leaving T4 to NK?

User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2715 times:
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Quoting John (Reply 6):
PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population. So why doesn't Finnair, LTU or even Lufthansa fly to PBI?

AY don't fly there because they don't have the planes to fly there and since the pax numbers are too low to start service, thye can go though JFK to HEL. AY's market is in Asia and they are focusing on it strongly.



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User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 10):

The plan is that the existing southern runway will be widened and expanded over the FEC railroad tracks and US1 will go underneath...

That's the plan, anyway...it will take years before everything comes into fruition.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting John (Reply 6):
PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population. So why doesn't Finnair, LTU or even Lufthansa fly to PBI?

It could be too much of a low-yield market for LH, plus LH is due to start service to MCO soon, so a separate flight to PBI may overlap LH's new MCO service. As for LT, it may not make sense for them to start service to PBI, since they already operate scheduled flights into nearby RSW from DUS, not to mention the upcoming TXL-MLB charter service.


User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
As for LT, it may not make sense for them to start service to PBI, since they already operate scheduled flights into nearby RSW from DUS

Don't forget, they operate into MIA also.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 15):
Don't forget, they operate into MIA also.

Correct, and so does LH (although MIA is LH's biggest market in Florida, operated with a 744 out of FRA and seasonally with an A343 out of MUC IIRC, and their upcoming MCO service is due to be operated out of FRA with an A333).


User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting John (Reply 6):
So why doesn't Finnair



Quoting John (Reply 6):
fly to PBI

Remember, AY used to operate Helsinki to MIA and look how that turned out.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 17):

Remember, AY used to operate Helsinki to MIA and look how that turned out.

It turned out very well, with excellent loads and decent yields, despite being operated as an all-Y flight. The flight was suspended because of aircraft needed to expand in the obviously more profitable Asian market. Finnair tried to operate to Miami with their holiday 757s after that, but that was nowhere near as popular. Finnair will be back to Miami in the future, make no doubt about that, when they have the equipment.



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

What ever happen to the following flights....I know they don't exist anymore but what was the erason behind ending all of them? Can anyone expand on some info on each one's service?

Icelandair to KEF
Condor to FRA
Finnair to HEL
Martinair to AMS back in the 90's


Am I missing any other major's?

Any of them come back one day?



717, 727, 731, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 752, 753, 762, 763, 777, DC9, MD80, DC10, L1011, ERJ, CRJ, ATR, DH8, A300,
User currently online76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Martinair left for two reasons:

- Back then, MIA was served 6 times a week, FLL once (IIRC). Not very efficient. Same reason why TPA was abandoned in favor of MCO.

- Although the runway measures 9000 feet, it can still be too short when a lot of cargo is carried. I remember having to offload quite a bit of cargo there on several occasions. MIA doesn't have that problem thanks to its very long RW09/27.

However, MP-Pax' possible changeover into an intercontinental LCC may open up new possibilities for FL airport looking to attract transatlantic service. MIA and MCO are relatively busy and expensive.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting John (Reply 6):
PBI has a 10,000 foot main runway and the surrounding area has a large German and Finnish population.

Why is that--Europeans with vacation homes, or just visiting, or what?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 20):
However, MP-Pax' possible changeover into an intercontinental LCC may open up new possibilities for FL airport looking to attract transatlantic service. MIA and MCO are relatively busy and expensive.

MIA is also a major cargo hub, and Martinair's busiest international outstation. They aren't leaving MIA anytime soon.



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