A380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4915 times:
The news around the airport and the area of the airport is that on Thursday of this week, LGB is going to have a bid for the 17 commuter slots. From what i hear, i guess for whoever is interested in the slots is going to put in for them and then LGB will select them. Hmmm any ideas on prospective airlines???
Laxintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22070 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4898 times:
Considering the many available commuter slots have gone for years without much use, I doubt there will be much of a rush this time around either.
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Cactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 226 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4869 times:
What are the restrictions on these slots? Are they bsaed on aircraft size? Are these slots that can be used for RJs?
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Laxintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22070 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4800 times:
In addition to the 41 mainline jet slots at LGB, the airport has 25 commuter slots restricted to aircraft less then 75,000lbs.
Currently of the 25 slots, 4 are used by Skywest/Delta, 3 by Horizon and 1 by America West/US Air.
The remaining 17 have been allocated to BAG Aviation holdings whom has been trying to get off the ground for well over a year know. The use or loose timeframe of these slots should have come up which is likely why these 17 slots will revert back to the City and available for reallocation to any other interested airlines.
Unlike the much coveted 41 jet slots, the commuter slots have always languished without much interest.
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BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2755 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4763 times:
A380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3): The remaining 17 have been allocated to BAG Aviation holdings whom has been trying to get off the ground for well over a year know. The use or loose timeframe of these slots should have come up which is likely why these 17 slots will revert back to the City and available for reallocation to any other interested airlines.
YUP..BAG couldnt follow through so on Thursday, the 17 slots are open! Any ideas on airlines or routes coming in?
And examples of aircraft that could use those slots
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5668 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
The thing about these slots is the aircraft size limits reduce the pool of potential users.
Plus anyone using 17 slots, well that is a lot of frequency out of LGB to start with all at once. In my mind that would take multiple routes relying on likely only O&D to fill them.
QX already has a few slots they aren't using yet and I doubt they would apply for 17 more. UAX might take a few but not 17.
I heard an unconfirmed rumor that Vision Air had looked at using some slots at LGB for Vegas runs.
I also doubt XJet is ready to open another city at 17 flights a day. They probably would want to allow their existing network time to develop first.
I can't think of anyone else that I can see considering any of the commuter slots. There just aren't many regional sized operators in the west, remember it can be no larger than a Dash 8 or CR7.
Given that QX allowed their slot reservtion to expire then asked for 3 again makes me wonder something else.
It might be possible for BAG to rebid, thus extending their timeline.
Other than that the only choice for 17 commuter slots I can think of would be another startup.
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A380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4560 times:
Yea all your information is true, and yea im not expecting any airline to come in at 17 flights a day. Im thinking a few.
My guesses are if these airlines were to come in what routes they would fly:
UAX--SFO and DEN runs?
QX--PDX?
XJET- FAT and GEG and COS
Vision--LAS
These are just guesses as i dont know if they would prfoitable for the company....
Are there any other airlines that may take interest in a few or any prospects besides QX, UAX, Vision and XE
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4527 times:
Far-fetched thinking, I know, but wouldn't it be cool to see Cape Air come in and offer flights to Fresno, Berkeley, Monterey, etc. from LGB? With feed from JetBlue's marketing agreement, which could be expanded, the flights would be able to do well.
I know. Wishful thinking. But just a thought.
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COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4493 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 8): Far-fetched thinking, I know, but wouldn't it be cool to see Cape Air come in and offer flights to Fresno, Berkeley, Monterey, etc. from LGB? With feed from JetBlue's marketing agreement, which could be expanded, the flights would be able to do well.
That would be awsome, especially if they got some used DH8s, BE1s or small turboprops(not the C402s), they could have quite a presence, i'm thinking PSP, MRY, FAT, etc.
A380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4363 times:
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4327 times:
Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 2): Are these slots that can be used for RJs?
Yes. Up to about the size of a CR7
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4): Maybe Skywest/United will bid for LGB-SFO.
Given that they have LGB bookended with a hub at LAX and a stronger, higher yield station at SNA, I don't see a reason
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
I heard an unconfirmed rumor that Vision Air had looked at using some slots at LGB for Vegas runs.
Could they perhaps not even need a slot and slide in as an air taxi?
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Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5534 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4280 times:
Berkeley? Since when did Berkeley have an airport????
If Cape Air flew into LGB, I don't think you'll find C-402's flying that far in the first place. Maybe regionally to SBA, SAN, or even Catalina Island or Palmdale...but not Central CA.
Vision Air could have quite a use for LGB besides North Las Vegas...maybe Phoenix Williams Gateway, Laughlin or Mesa.
QX would be awesome, but I don't see anything out of them considering their presence at LAX, with the exception of PDX for connection traffic.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4235 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 12): Berkeley? Since when did Berkeley have an airport????
LOL I don't know. I think I remember seeing it on one of US's really old route maps. Or maybe I'm just delusional.
OK, so scratch Berkeley. But PSP, MRY, FAT could all work out nicely.
On a completely unrelated note, did anyone notice how enormous the NYC-Santa Ana market is? It has 692 passengers daily and not a single airline flies it non-stop. Hmmmm.
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JerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4206 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13): On a completely unrelated note, did anyone notice how enormous the NYC-Santa Ana market is? It has 692 passengers daily and not a single airline flies it non-stop
Continental flies EWR-SNA 3X a day actually
CO 287 EWR 845A SNA 1149A 737-700
CO 387 EWR 1205P SNA 251P 737-700
CO 787 EWR 505P SNA 814P 737-700
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4177 times:
Wow, I had no idea about that. Thanks for the heads up.
Maybe B6 should join the fray...
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A380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
thats weird. i know a lot of people who fly out of LGB that need to get to SFO. SO they have to fly B6 out to OAK then drive to SFO. I think its a really good, profitable market. my opinion! AND, what about the DEN market? With UAX????
ThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4100 times:
JerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4058 times:
Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 17): The A320 couldnt make SNA-JFK non stop on a regular basis
That and I'm believe that SNA has slots, with it being in SoCal, I'd assume there are none left.
Pizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3954 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13): It has 692 passengers daily and not a single airline flies it non-stop.
I'm just curious where you got that statistic. That would be cool if we could see other routes avg daily passengers. I remember a site that told you that sort of thing a few years ago but have since forgotten.
A380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3917 times:
So to kind of wrap up this thread. Can anyone give me a list of regional operators in the US that may come into LGB and what there routes would POSSIBLY be. Thnaks!
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3871 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13):
LOL I don't know. I think I remember seeing it on one of US's really old route maps. Or maybe I'm just delusional.
Who knows. Maybe PSA used to market OAK as Berkeley.
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Vision Air could have quite a use for LGB besides North Las Vegas...maybe Phoenix Williams Gatewa
Why when there is already mainline service to the main, and far more central airports in those cities?
Quoting A380fo (Reply 16): SO they have to fly B6 out to OAK then drive to SFO.
They can take BART, or they can drive the rather short drives to either SNA or LAX and simply set which one they fly out of to the time of day they are driving against traffic,
Quoting A380fo (Reply 16):
thats weird. i know a lot of people who fly out of LGB that need to get to SFO.
LGB isn't exactly the only airport in the Southland, particularly along the coast
Quoting A380fo (Reply 16): AND, what about the DEN market? With UAX????
Same as SFO. You have a shuttle out of LAX and frequent service out of SNA
Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 18):
That and I'm believe that SNA has slots
SNA is under slot control, though not nearly as tightly as LGB
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21): Given the ridiculous traffic around here, how about:
LGB - LAX
LGB - ONT
LGB - SNA
LGB - BUR
Cute, but you know that wouldn't make sense. Besides, from Long Beach, you can get to LAX and BUR using public transport if you really want to.
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25 A380fo: but what all of you are saying if u drive to lax or sna u can get there but a lot of people hate the traffic and dont wanna drive so lgb is way better
26 ElmoTheHobo: You'd have to be insane, that would involve two connections to LAX and four to Burbank... They really need to get to work on a sensible transit syste
27 JetBluefan1: My thought is that through extensive bargaining, B6 will be able to get the airport to raise the weight of an airplane that is constituted as "commut
28 Revelation: Hmm the MTOW of the E190 is around 115,000 lbs, the limit is 75,000 - that's a big stretch, no?
29 JetBluefan1: It is. But who knows...maybe some sort of deal could be worked out. Maybe those 17 commuter slots at 75,000 lbs could be turned into 10 commuter slot
30 B6WNQX: What if they pushed to get the 170 certified? (the 170 standard version weighs in a hair over 78K lbs according to a.net) They could contract it out
31 Travelin man: Try faremeasure.com. They have stats for all airports (w/ avg daily passenger counts). It's a good resource if you're curious about these things. htt
32 A380fo: So nobody would benefit from these openings?
33 JetBluefan1: The thing is that those openings had been in place for such a long time. Therefore, I don't see anyone jumping for these slots unless there's a catal
34 Hawaiian717: I don't see this happening. As these types of slot restrictions are no longer permitted by the FAA, LGB is worried that any kind of change to the slo
35 A380fo: WELL now LGB is raising the costs of PFC's and stuff so some airlines there are sketchy about even STAYING
36 N1120A: Actually, it is only 3 to Burbank. Naturally. Then again, any slots AA or AS don't use, including the ones AA had before jetBlue came in, go to jetBl
37 Socalatc: The other problem with LGB is the lack of counter/break room space at the airport. Alaska/Horizon can not operate any more flights because they share
38 A380fo: LGB IS already looking on that subject. I guess some plans have been made...We'll just have to see if anyone takes the slots.
39 Sflaflight: Me likes the LGB, 9K idea. Welcome to JetBlue Connect West. Bring on the service. Time to build a futuristic multi level check in lounge behind that f
40 A380fo: Let me know if anypne hears ANYTHING from the meeting today!!
41 Socalatc: Maybe just a few more trailers at the airport? It already looks like a Mobile home park
42 FATFlyer: So did anything happen at the airport commission last night? I heard today that Vision Air is definitely interested in operating some flights out of L
43 A380fo: i just heard from the airport manager. drum roll.......... EXPRESSJET IS COMING INTO LGB...AS WELL AS VISION AIR!
44 FATFlyer: Doing some checking myself, I understand Vision Air wants to operate from LGB to VGT-North Las Vegas instead of LAS and IWA-Williams Gateway instead o
46 FATFlyer: So I wonder what current XJet city loses flights and where they will fly to from LGB.
47 UN_B732: Could ExpressJet fly LAX-LGB for Delta or is it pointless? -A
48 WhatUsaid: I'd flown FAT-LGB on Allegiant during it's short run. Xjet would be welcome since we'll most likely never see SNA open up.... But, I won't hold my bre
49 Wedgetail737: I think you were thinking of CCR (Concord, CA). I like the sounds of that too. Perhaps, they use something similar at OAK.
50 N1120A: It is beyond pointless, and would be really uneconomical with pure jets.
51 ElmoTheHobo: Not only are the two airports in the same county, but they are only 17 miles apart on the same freeway. UAX flies LAX-SNA purely for connections, (as
52 N1120A: Not to mention for AA themselves. Now that isn't true.
53 SANFan: Very interesting. This is the first indication of anything new coming from XE. Of course it might be a while before this new LGB service starts... In
54 XJET: XE only requested 6 flight slots. No indications yet for the cities that will be served.
55 N1120A: I would bet that Fresno gets one on there.
56 JRDC930: Have you driven there recently? , he may be exagerating a bit, but in rush hour you might as well turn off your car and go fr a 2 hr walk untill the
57 N1120A: Yes actually. I was in Long Beach most of last week.
58 WhatUsaid: If they can sell LGB as an alternative to SNA, I'd say the route is a natural. FAT-SNA had decent O&D during the Air Cal era... LGB would require a l
59 N1120A: They wouldn't really need to sell it. JetBlue has already done that for them, as they attract a lot of ex-Orange County traffic as it is.
60 ElmoTheHobo: Amen. The state is most likely going to "trim" the transportation budget, so the chances of the harbor line just evaporated. A lot. With an accident
61 SANFan: Given that new piece of info, I alter my short list to a shorter list of FAT, TUS and GEG (if we continue with the same assumptions I made in my repl
62 XJET: We have a schedule update, that we just received in a memo, that will take effect Aug. 1st. All of the changes will be transparent to the passengers.
63 SANFan: Thanx much for the update, XJET. Sounds like things are going quite well in the major CA stations and that's wonderful news. I'm also very pleased to
64 XJET: There hasn't been any talk from our management to the pilot group yet. 6 slots would probably be 3 cities with the XE standard of 2x daily service. I
65 N1120A: With an accident, any stretch of heavily, or even moderately used highway will end up a parking lot. For the record, I made it from downtown Long Bea
66 A380fo: I have just heard that starting in November XE will start flights out of LGB. And not all of the slots were taken. XE got 6. Vision got 5. Still 8 mor
67 A380fo: What if XE and had OO do there ground handling/check in or both??? Hmmm...is that a possibility?
68 N1120A: Given that OO doesn't operate into LGB, what would be the point?
69 Greg3322: Who is operating the Delta flights? Isn't that OO? Greg
70 A380fo: Yes it is. Delta Connection operated by SkyWest. They have a small operation. And so would XE coming in. I think it would work if OO did it for XE
71 FLYGUY767: I would think that it is possible for some of the following: *Austin *Colorado Springs *Kansas City *San Antonio -JD
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