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What's In A Name? 787-8 Vs 787-800  
User currently offlineFlyABR From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 688 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

gang,

i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...ie the 788 would become the 787-800 instead of the dash 8...etc. is that not going to happen??

cheers,

troy

[Edited 2007-07-14 16:46:14]

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User currently offlineGlobalATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

To me, it sounds like Boeing is breaking tradition. Same way as the 747-"8"

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31388 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6870 times:
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Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...ie the 788 would become the 787-800 instead of the dash 8...etc. is that not going to happen??

Probably not, but Boeing will continue to use the three digit customer identifier for their planes.

So LN001 should be a 787-881 when she is delivered to NH.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Boeing and Douglas Merge...

DC-8, DC-9, DC-10....


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Probably not, but Boeing will continue to use the three digit customer identifier for their planes.

So LN001 should be a 787-881 when she is delivered to NH.

Yep, I'd say so.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...ie the 788 would become the 787-800 instead of the dash 8...etc. is that not going to happen??

The 00s were placeholders for the customer codes (exceptions were the 707 Series, which as placeholder had Boeing's own customer code, which is 20, e.g. 707-320, 707-420). Those placeholders were removed now, but I'm sure the customer code will still be included (e.g. an LH 747-8I would be designated as 747-830, NH's 787-8s will be designated as 787-881).


User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

Part of the reason for the nomenclature change was influenced by the Asian market. With "8" being considered a lucky symbol in those cultures, a slightly revised nomenclature was introduced based on that number.


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Boeing and Douglas Merge...

DC-8, DC-9, DC-10....

Interesting!



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

So what are they going to do when they introduce the 787-10? Four-digit suffixes when the customer codes are included? That's kind of silly. I think they ought to stick with -200, -300, etc.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31388 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6307 times:
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
So what are they going to do when they introduce the 787-10?

787-1xx, I imagine.

So a QF 787-10 will be a 787-138.

The trick will be the 787-11, but I imagine they'll come up with a letter suffix, so it will be a 787-138B or something (like QF's 707s).


User currently onlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
The trick will be the 787-11, but I imagine they'll come up with a letter suffix, so it will be a 787-138B or something (like QF's 707s).

its possible that they would just use 787-2xx since a 787-12 is very unlikely.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5846 times:

one thing i want to know tho is why did boeing use the 783, 788 and 789 numbers to begin with and miss out 1,2 and 3??
Why not call the 783 the 781?
the 788 the 782?
the 789 the 783?

Im presuming other aircraft like the 757, 767 and 777 were origionally going to maybe have a 1 varient but they were deemed unsuitable but to start at a 788??

Any ideas on this??


User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
one thing i want to know tho is why did boeing use the 783, 788 and 789 numbers to begin with and miss out 1,2 and 3??
Why not call the 783 the 781?
the 788 the 782?
the 789 the 783?

Im presuming other aircraft like the 757, 767 and 777 were origionally going to maybe have a 1 varient but they were deemed unsuitable but to start at a 788??

Any ideas on this??


The Chinese like the #8.

The plane will enter service in 2008 in time for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing

Also ...

the 787-9 will go about 9000nm
the 787-8 will go about 8000nm
the 787-3 will go about 3000nm

[Edited 2007-07-15 04:08:13]

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
Also ...

the 787-9 will go about 9000nm
the 787-8 will go about 8000nm
the 787-3 will go about 3000nm

While the -8 was chosen partially because the -8 would have greater than 8000nm range with a 3 class 8Y capacity of around 220 seats, the -9 was originally proposed to have less range than the -8 and would have been closer to 8000nm. The -9 was chosent to indicate that it was bigger.



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User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
one thing i want to know tho is why did boeing use the 783, 788 and 789 numbers to begin with and miss out 1,2 and 3??
Why not call the 783 the 781?
the 788 the 782?
the 789 the 783?

Same reason why many software companies don't release 1.x releases, and some don't even do x.0 (e.g., 5.0) -- they'll do x.1 (e.g., 5.1).

I think Airbus pioneered this bogosity with the A380-800 -- why isn't it an A380-100?

Marketing gone wild!


User currently offlineGEnxPower From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
The plane will enter service in 2008 in time for the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing

Not to mention, opening ceremony on August 2008. (8th month)

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
the 787-9 will go about 9000nm
the 787-8 will go about 8000nm
the 787-3 will go about 3000nm

That's the official quoted reason they have been telling me anyways.

To me, it's just a name. You can call it whatever you want as long as you think you can market it and sell it.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 6):
Part of the reason for the nomenclature change was influenced by the Asian market. With "8" being considered a lucky symbol in those cultures, a slightly revised nomenclature was introduced based on that number.

I've always found this to be a flimsy association. I'm not an expert on Asian folklore, but I don't doubt that they have 8 as a lucky number. Still, I've seen no verification of such an intended marketing scheme. Consider these points: 1) Wouldn't selling a sophisticated aircraft on the premise of "luck" be somewhat insulting both to Boeing and the Asians? 2) Only 1/5th of the current orders are associated with East Asian airlines. What about the rest of the customers, to whom 8 has no meaning whatsoever? Is it insulting to ignore all the other cultural superstitions? 3) The -8 is only one of several models. Would this imply that Boeing are banking luck on the 787-8 at the expense of seemingly equal -3 or -9 (and -10)?

Or is this "reason" simply an unfounded urban legend?

-Rampart


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1906 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
i thought that by now the 787 would have inherited the rest of the boeing numbering nomenclature...

I think it's because to avoid the massive prodcution they've experienced with the 737, coming up with more than 8 series!

They might be throwing those numbers up to avoid a low perspective... I think 787-8 sounds cooler than 787-1... Same on the A380... Perhaps they're just giving a smarter or cooler look to the name, to attract customers.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the plane was going to be designated 787-8 instead of 787-800 to signify that Boeing was not going to customise planes to the same extent that they used to, so a 787-8 delivered to ANA would be identical to a 787-8 delivered to Air New Zealand or whatever - no customer codes and nothing different from Boeing's side.


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
So a QF 787-10 will be a 787-138.

I was thinking more like 787-1000. It makes sense as you can extend past the 900 series which I reckon was the point of the 787-10... Usually they start off 1, 2, 3 etc but starting off as 8 and going up might be the new way. Just my 2c



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User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Maybe it just looks "trendy" and modern.

sorta like Mazda 3, or Mazda 6, instead of 323 or 626 :p



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 16):
I've always found this to be a flimsy association. I'm not an expert on Asian folklore, but I don't doubt that they have 8 as a lucky number. Still, I've seen no verification of such an intended marketing scheme. Consider these points: 1) Wouldn't selling a sophisticated aircraft on the premise of "luck" be somewhat insulting both to Boeing and the Asians? 2) Only 1/5th of the current orders are associated with East Asian airlines. What about the rest of the customers, to whom 8 has no meaning whatsoever? Is it insulting to ignore all the other cultural superstitions? 3) The -8 is only one of several models. Would this imply that Boeing are banking luck on the 787-8 at the expense of seemingly equal -3 or -9 (and -10)?

Or is this "reason" simply an unfounded urban legend?

-Rampart

I agree. I think the link with the Asian lucky number 8 is over hyped. Isn't number 4 unlucky in Asia, yet boeing sold plenty of 747-400s over there.



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

So what happens when there are more customers than there are placeholders?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31388 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3319 times:
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Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 14):
I think Airbus pioneered this bogosity with the A380-800 -- why isn't it an A380-100?

As I recall, it is because the double deck fuselage has a "figure 8" look when viewed head-on in cutaway.


User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 470 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 21):
I agree. I think the link with the Asian lucky number 8 is over hyped. Isn't number 4 unlucky in Asia, yet Boeing sold plenty of 747-400s over there.

During my five years of dealing in Asia with older Chinese businessmen I found that numbers, dates & even the time of day was important when making deals, and signing papers. BUT what people on this site don't understand is that the "prime" number is important. Three is the best number, 8 is a great number for business (infinity on end),"may your business go on forever". 6&9 are also good, but 4 is death, to be avoided.

A number must be reduced to prime to be ranked, for example 747 equals 7+4+7= 18 =9 a good thing.
A 747-400 equals 9+4 = 13= 4, death! How about 787? = 22 = 4,death ! And 777 equals 21 = 3 great !
I had projects with no 4th or13th floors, a 60 story tower we designed had no floors in the forties,went from 39 then 50. The project owner was a Chinese gentleman in his eighties.

Modern Asian business is about money so Boeing is safe. And ,as stated, numbers are over hyped on A.net.


25 Boeing7E7 : 7+4+7 - 4 = 14.
26 Boeing7E7 : The simplest answer is generally the right one. People can speculate all they want, but this is where my money rests.
27 JBo : I don't know ... a 787-1038 sounds fine to me. That sounds sillier considering it's not a 100-series. Or, maybe they'll just use the roman numeral fo
28 Nitrohelper : No , you have to add them not subtract, the dash mark doesn't mean anything when doing a reduction to prime number. A 380-800 equals 3+8+0+8 = 19 = 1
29 SJC30L : My guess (and this is very much just a guess) is that the -3 and the -8 models are the base models for the short-haul and long-haul versions of the je
30 Revelation : I bet someone did an economic study quantifying how much money Boeing would save in dropping the two zeros. Lots of keystrokes, lots of bytes of stora
31 Mir : As has been said, the number 4 is associated with death in Asian cultures, but that hasn't stopped the 747-400 from being operated by virtually every
32 Boeing7E7 : 7+4+7+4= 18, not 13.
33 Nitrohelper : I guess we went to different schools , 11+11 = 22, and then 2+2= 4 ?
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