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B6 Only 4 New Routes?  
User currently offlineGoBlue From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

What is happening at JetBlue? They only have 4 new routes listed up until November 1st, and they have many aircraft arriving that they will need to deploy.

There are not many more NY to FL oppourtunites for them to exploit, unless they are going to expand their LGA and EWR operations. I hope that LGB and OAK see some expansion and they work on P2P West coast operations, but they are in tough with WN there. I do no know. but they have to figure out a competitive strategy soon. As NY-FL can only go so far.

Are there any more code shares coming online from JFK? Also why would they not work with those airlines not in an allinance for a feed from JFK, ORD or BOS.. they could offer many destinations in the US. except ORD which is limited to JFK and LGB... and their respective connections.

I say they spend the money and buy some more slots at ORD.. they can get them if they have the money.!!!!!!

Your Thoughts?

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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

How about MKE finally? B6 has been rumored to come to MKE for a while now, but so far nothing. The 8 new gates at concourse C are just about finished up and so far there hasn't been any news really about any airlines expanding into them. I'd like to see their A320s here in MKE over the ERJs though, since we already have more then enough regional jet flying as it is.


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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

They will sell at least 5 old 320s and maybe 10 by year end. Barger said he expects a report sometime in the middle of August from Russ Chew on directional changes that should be incorporated to make B6 more profitable. I think this will include the closure of a few cities, with focus on building out profitable markets. Jetblue has basically focused on n/s service from various cities across the country to JFK. You can't build customer loyalty in a city by just offering flights to one or two markets.............this will be the big change in my opinion.

User currently offlineNA747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

I'll bet it'll be a matter of time before they start expanding again, but maybe not as fast.
Wouldn't be surprised if they start more Int'l/Caribeean cities in the near future such as MBJ, STT, etc.
Opinions anyone?


User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Russ Chew is an operations guru, not a commercial one. Barger is looking to the wrong guy if that is who he is looking for a report from regarding B6 directional changes.


- DBC


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
What is happening at JetBlue? They only have 4 new routes listed up until November 1st, and they have many aircraft arriving that they will need to deploy.

You know... you can always increase frequency..!!



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User currently offlineB6ramprat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5095 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
You know... you can always increase frequenc

Not into or out of JFK thats for sure.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4955 times:

I think we'll see a great focus on connecting of the dots for the immediate future. Markets such as TUS, ONT, SRQ and PDX that only have one flight a day (SRQ has 2 in the winter, but still...) are certainly not pulling their weight as far as economies of scale go. Those markets basically rely on one arrival and one departure to produce enough revenue for not only flight costs but also space rental, ground crew costs, etc. It would be smart to spread said costs among more flights.

As far as city closings, I can't really think of any cities that have been operating too badly for B6. It seems that PIT, CMH, and RIC have finally picked up, and BNA is slowly making its way up the chain as well. If anything, I would expect Barger to stimulate demand in these cities by starting new advertising campaigns and adding more destinations from these cities (that are already in the JetBlue network), thereby increasing customer awareness. However, there are certain routes which I could certainly see being cut, such as IAD-LAS and LGB-SMF.

That being said, I hear TUS has been subpar since its inception - though it's still a new city.

The reason why many routes have yet to be announced is because it is very likely that B6 will sell several A320's by year-end. Though nothing has been announced, I'm sure there are some workings there, and we'll most likely learn about them in the conference call next week.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 7):
It seems that PIT, CMH, and RIC have finally picked up,

I've heard otherwise. PIT is doing very poor, CMH is so-so, and RIC I've heard is doing fairly well, but not as well as some had imagined.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 7):
certain routes which I could certainly see being cut, such as IAD-LAS and LGB-SMF.

I've heard both do very well for B6, especially IAD-LAS. At least before WN at IAD, that is. I'm not sure if they saw decreases in yields and/or loads since WN has entered.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Several weeks ago I was talking with a US Airways gate agent in SAV, she mentioned that 4 B6 folks visited SAV that week (week of June 11th) and stayed overnight.

I know SAV has been mentioned time and time again but could it be that B6 would finally come to SAV? That would be a new city if so.



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User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 4):
Russ Chew is an operations guru, not a commercial one. Barger is looking to the wrong guy if that is who he is looking for a report from regarding B6 directional changes.

What is a commercial one?

Russ Chew runs the day to day operations for Jetblue, and is essentially #2 in the chain of command. Are you insinuating he doesn't have the authority to oversee and make decisions on route planning reports? You can't run the day to day operations of an airline and not be given the authority of making future route planning decisions.

Dave Barger will make the final call, but Russ Chews recommendations will in all likelihood be followed to the letter.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 8):
I've heard otherwise. PIT is doing very poor, CMH is so-so, and RIC I've heard is doing fairly well, but not as well as some had imagined.

PIT did poorly up to April - poor yields AND poor loads. Now, yields have picked up slightly though loads have grown dramatically. Same thing goes for CMH and RIC, though RIC was always a better performer. In any case, all three markets remain new to the JetBlue system, and it wouldn't make sense to cut them - especially since they've improving.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 8):
I've heard both do very well for B6, especially IAD-LAS. At least before WN at IAD, that is. I'm not sure if they saw decreases in yields and/or loads since WN has entered.

IAD-LAS consistently has subpar yields compared to other B6 routes of similar length. In addition, IAD-LAS has its lowest walk-up fare this summer of $229 - the second lowest transcon walk-up fare in JetBlue's system (only beating JFK-TUS, which is at $204). IAD-LGB/OAK/SAN have a walk-up of $289, BOS/JFK-West Coast also have either $289 or $294 walk-up fares, with BOS-LGB having $374 and JFK-BUR having $344. These walk-up fares are certainly indicative of JetBlue's pricing power on all these routes. While IAD-LAS does operate more full during the summer, its performance during the wintertime is fair at best; I doubt the $79 fares they charged November-February were making any money whatsoever. By comparison, JFK-TUS had fares as low as $99 while almost all other transcon routes were at least at $119 if not $149.

LGB-SMF recently lost a frequency; it went down from 3 daily flights to 2. Obviously it wasn't a winner from the beginning, and its loads are consistently lower than OAK's, even with the decrease in capacity - though loads have increased slightly. Yields seem similar.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

They could finally come to LAX like every first tier airline does. Not only would they dramatically increase transcon traffic, they would free up some LGB slots...

Quoting NA747 (Reply 3):
STT, etc.
Opinions anyone?

I like that suggestion. STT would be a good destination for them.



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User currently offlineIaddca From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

They just killed IAD-PBI, and IAD-BOS is down to 3 E-190 RTs a day from 6 last year.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting Iaddca (Reply 14):
They just killed IAD-PBI, and IAD-BOS is down to 3 E-190 RTs a day from 6 last year.

IAD-PBI was killed, but IAD-BOS is only down to 5 E-190's, not 3. In fact, IAD-BOS is doing very, very well with its current frequency.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 1):
since we already have more then enough regional jet flying as it is.

The E190's are mainline. Not regional.



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User currently offline787EWR From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

Quoting NA747 (Reply 3):
I'll bet it'll be a matter of time before they start expanding again, but maybe not as fast.
Wouldn't be surprised if they start more Int'l/Caribeean cities in the near future such as MBJ, STT, etc.
Opinions anyone?

I agree with both locations as Jetblue seems to be a vacation airline. My only question to that would be where would they serve those locations from? JFK would be the top location, but it is saturated right now. Perhaps Boston, although it normally has the same weather problems.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
They could finally come to LAX like every first tier airline does. Not only would they dramatically increase transcon traffic, they would free up some LGB slots...

JFK to LAX would put it up against American, United and now Delta. That is a lot of seats going between these 2 locations. Although, if their fares are better than the majors, they might have a shot. I am willing to bet that American and Delta would enter a price war to keep passengers.

Seems to me that any flights from LAX to any major destination in the country is going to cause some competition, eg LAX-ORD or LAX-DFW.

Perhaps they might want to look at FLL or MCO to Mexico or points further south.


User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

jetblues new flights from Salt Lake City to San Diego and Salt Lake City to San Francisco what type of plane will those be on????? I know jetblue curently runs salt lake city to JFK and Long Beach on the 320s I am surprised Jetblue went with SFO instead of OAK on this flight. From SFO you can only fly to BOS and JFK as opposed oakland which is a "key city"

User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
I say they spend the money and buy some more slots at ORD.. they can get them if they have the money.!!!!!!

Buy from whom? I haven't heard of any carriers willing to sell their ORD slots.

Any "official" word on loads from BNA? I've flown three BNA-JFK-northeast city RT's in the last 6 weeks. On all the BNA legs in and out, the a/c were less than 1/3 full on an E90. These were the first flights out and last flight in, respectively. Those don't seem like very good LF's to me considering the amount of time they've been here. Unless I just happen to be catching them on off days, but co-workers have reported similar numbers.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5437 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 17):
JFK to LAX would put it up against American, United and now Delta.

And soon, Virgin America I suspect!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
They could finally come to LAX like every first tier airline does. Not only would they dramatically increase transcon traffic, they would free up some LGB slots...

My opinion: if they open LAX, they won't need or want extra slots at LGB...

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 18):
jetblues new flights from Salt Lake City to San Diego and Salt Lake City to San Francisco what type of plane will those be on?????

Airbi will start flying the routes late next week... There are no 190s in the west yet; many of us are waiting anxiously for the Great Westerly Migration of those birds!

bb


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
My opinion: if they open LAX, they won't need or want extra slots at LGB...

But they could trade them to someone else, or offer some intrastate routes.

While LAX is more desirable for longer routes, there is demand for regional routes from LGB, similar to how BUR functions.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 17):
Perhaps they might want to look at FLL or MCO to Mexico or points further south.

Good idea for MCO as FLL can be busy. B6 does quite well out of MCO I hear. They could fly to Aruba, STT, SXM, and other Caribbean destinations. Hey a MTY route would produce good results. If they only could reach Brazil.

Hunter



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5437 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):
But they could trade them to someone else, or offer some intrastate routes.
While LAX is more desirable for longer routes, there is demand for regional routes from LGB, similar to how BUR functions.

I do agree that IF B6 is planning on intra-CA service, or let's expand that to say "local west coast" service, then they might be able to expand LGB. But again, under the premise that they're at LAX, I still don't know how much they would leave at LGB; I'm not that convinced that B6 would end up that much different than the other folks who serve both LA and LB, with a very minor operation at the latter. And I assume you mean "how BUR functions for other cx" since B6 has nothing regional out of BUR -- only JFK.

Apparently LGB-SMF didn't do that well and I don't know about the OAK route. I think the real key is the a/c; if the 190 shows up on the left coast, I think we have a brand new ballgame.

bb


User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 19):
Any "official" word on loads from BNA? I've flown three BNA-JFK-northeast city RT's in the last 6 weeks. On all the BNA legs in and out, the a/c were less than 1/3 full on an E90.

Perfect example of why you need to build out a station. How many times have you seen WN go into a new market and offer 1 or 2 n/s destinations? You need to build up a station to at least 4 or 5 n/s destinations and they should include at least 3 hubs or mini hubs. It takes 2 to 3 times longer to build loyalty when you limit you markets like Jetblue has done.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 24):
Perfect example of why you need to build out a station. How many times have you seen WN go into a new market and offer 1 or 2 n/s destinations? You need to build up a station to at least 4 or 5 n/s destinations and they should include at least 3 hubs or mini hubs. It takes 2 to 3 times longer to build loyalty when you limit you markets like Jetblue has done.

I completely agree. Adding BOS-BNA and IAD-BNA would certainly increase the overall financials of BNA - if not for the actual routes themselves, but for greater brand recognition, greater airport rent efficiency, and greater labor efficiency on the ground. Hopefully Barger will make such a routine standard in pursuit of greater asset efficiency as a goal for company operations.

JetBluefan1



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25 GuitrThree : But don't forget, BNA is home to an Embraer facility.. one of the reasons why they opened a gate there.. they could fly in an E-190 for service and s
26 Lowecur : Have you noticed that FL is beating B6 to the punch. They have built out ROC very nicely to the point that B6 is basically an O&D market to JFK. FL h
27 CitrusCritter : Well while my love of FL is infamous by now on this board, let's not forget that FL seems to be sitting in meetings wondering when they should become
28 Cubsrule : ORD doesn't have slots in the sense that an airport like LHR does but rather has an extremely convoluted system that applies differently depending on
29 ExFATboy : FL has always had a substantial MCO operation - the per-merger AirTran was based there. So I wouldn't say they've "beaten JetBlue to the punch" there
30 JetBluefan1 : I'm sure B6 was fine sacrificing ROC in return for expanding BOS - a city that FL has struggled to grow while B6 has grown there by leaps and bounds.
31 Lowecur : This deal would give FL a great Midwest presence with hubs at MCI and MKE. They understand the need to build out stations with an ability to overwelm
32 Cubsrule : Last I checked, long stage lengths are better when fuel is expensive. Ever wonder why EK and VS do so well? The lack of short-haul flights are a big
33 ExFATboy : Well, in fairness B6, FL, and F9 have all tried to avoid going head-to-head with the Canyon Blue Colossus whenever possible. Why bother when you coul
34 Lowecur : That's comparing apples and oranges. BOS is a large focus city and ROC is a low mid-size market. I would say the Baltimore Washington area has been m
35 CitrusCritter : I fail to see the connection. FL does not compete with F9. In fact, they seem to be rather friendly. If anything, given their focus on expanding in t
36 DCA-ROCguy : ROC is an example of how AirTran has built on their strength (leisure routes) but has not put out the effort needed to build a needed new area: busine
37 ExFATboy : I meant it more from B6's perspective- while I agree B6 has a different target market and strategy than FL, I don't think B6 wants to let FL continue
38 CitrusCritter : Don't forget that so far as the Baltimore-Washington area goes, FL is at DCA and flies slap full on every flight out of there. I think they're at 5x
39 Tomascubero : Though a lot of discussion on inter-USA routes, has anybody thought about Intl expansion to Central & or Latin America? Spirit is doing great on its S
40 CitrusCritter : Well I'm not sure getting folded into B6 is "surviving" from F9's perspective. F9's financials show $200mn in cash/cash equivalents on hand and short
41 SANFan : To get back to the original question, and along the lines of something I alluded to in reply 19, perhaps Blue is dragging their feet a bit right now
42 Rookinla : I definitely know that MCO-SJO is a very viable route and could be possible for a LCC in the future. I may be missing something but I haven't heard a
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