777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10739 times:
Plugging the eyebrow windows on the 737 is a great idea. Saves weight, does not require inspection or replacement, cuts down on spare parts, and reduces glare in the cockpit. Quite often crews would simply stuff a few sheets of newspaper over the window to block out the sun, making the windows effectively worthless.
Over time, CO will plug the eyebrow windows on all 737s. A few 737-800s have been completed, and all new-builds come without them.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10440 times:
Quoting Mayhem (Reply 13): Why do they still build them with eyebrows? IIRC, those were used on the classics to be able to navigate using stars?
Aren't those windows an option?
Boeing stopped putting eyebrows in the 737 a few years back. It is not an option either.
According to the Boeing press release from 2005...."The design change reduces airplane weight by 20 pounds and eliminates approximately 300 hours of periodic inspections per airplane. Retrofit kits to cover eyebrow windows will be available mid-2006 for the in-service 737 fleet."
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2790 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10097 times:
Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see. Soon.....can we expect the entire cockpit window array to be plugged? Could save hundreds of pounds.
I would think that since these airframes are nearing the end since the youngest -200 is nearing 20 years old; The cost of the modification would probably outweigh the benefits of the lower maintenance costs for the time remaining on the airframe.
PGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2865 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5041 times:
Quoting 777gk (Reply 10): Plugging the eyebrow windows on the 737 is a great idea. Saves weight, does not require inspection or replacement, cuts down on spare parts, and reduces glare in the cockpit. Quite often crews would simply stuff a few sheets of newspaper over the window to block out the sun, making the windows effectively worthless.
Yes it is wonderful. Lower MX costs, cooler cockpit, and they were utterly worthless as windows to begin with.
Quoting BY738 (Reply 12): Also because much better navigation and anti collision aids means there is less requirement for the extra cockpit visibility which was their original purpose.
Well they were there for maneuvering flight, particularly thought useful in circle-to-land approaches (they weren't). They were never a good feature, and Boeing and operators are wise to delete them.
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 16): Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see.
You have never flown the 737, I see. These windows are utterly useless regardless of bank angle.
: We took delivery of N201LV in February 2005, and the decision on discontinuing the eyebrows came before that, so your 2004 date seems about right (pr
: A similar move was done towards the latter 2 years or so of 717 production.
: Actually, I believe that term only apllies to the -300,-400,-500 So will winglet installation, eyebrow removal and repainting all happen to each airc
: You're probable right. Although I don't think it would make much dirrence as I don't believe there was a change in cockpit window design from the -10
: dark blue as of right now, unless they decide to put the circum-widget on em'
: Are you sure? An internal winglet safety document shows an artist's rendering of the 737-800 with winglets in the new shade of red. Looked sharp. For
: Yes. Air North has plugged the windows on at least 1 of their 2 732s. There's already at least 1 pic of it eyebrowless on a.net, but I'm too lazy tod
: Oh good grief. Calm down, skippy. It isn't that big a deal....
: Boeing item on the first 737 built without eyebrow windows, rolled out late January 2005. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...05/photorelease/q1/p
: You are right there.....and I wouldn't fly one even if given the opportunity. The MD-80 series has the same eyebrow windows and more than once I have
: Could very well be. On the DLX planes they're blue and the thought was it would be rolled-out fleetwide, however may have changed. I think red would
: Took this one just last friday. I don't know if it's already plugged in or just temporary glareshield or something. Maybe someone can enlighten me on