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Delta Plugging 737NG Windows?  
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10999 times:

Any DL mechanics out there that can help out with this one - has DL started to plug up the 737NG eyebrows?


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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10934 times:

They woudnt be the first.....

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6635 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10876 times:

I rather see winglets on the damn thing! Is DL the only US carrier without winglets on the 737-800?


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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10838 times:

I may be a little slow here but why do airlines plug the "eyebrows"?
Whats the point ?? It's just a few windows...


FLYTUITRAVEL.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10800 times:
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 2):
Is DL the only US carrier without winglets on the 737-800?

DL will start installing winglets on 28 738s starting in late summer/early fall.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10800 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 3):
I may be a little slow here but why do airlines plug the "eyebrows"?
Whats the point ?? It's just a few windows...

may save weight??


User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10781 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 2):
I rather see winglets on the damn thing!

You will see them soon. The first 737-800 will go into the shop after the summer skd ends.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10781 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 3):
I may be a little slow here but why do airlines plug the "eyebrows"?
Whats the point ?? It's just a few windows...

Maintenance cost.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10756 times:

Started a thread about this a couple of weeks ago after I saw the same aircraft at JFK.

Delta Getting Rid Of Eyebrows On 737 Fleet? (by AlitaliaMD11 Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10706 times:

So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?


FLYTUITRAVEL.


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10666 times:

Plugging the eyebrow windows on the 737 is a great idea. Saves weight, does not require inspection or replacement, cuts down on spare parts, and reduces glare in the cockpit. Quite often crews would simply stuff a few sheets of newspaper over the window to block out the sun, making the windows effectively worthless.

Over time, CO will plug the eyebrow windows on all 737s. A few 737-800s have been completed, and all new-builds come without them.


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10584 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Thread starter):
Any DL mechanics out there that can help out with this one - has DL started to plug up the 737NG eyebrows?

Yes, we are plugging the eyebrow windows on our 738s for many of the reasons already cited.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

Also because much better navigation and anti collision aids means there is less requirement for the extra cockpit visibility which was their original purpose.

User currently offlineMayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

Why do they still build them with eyebrows? IIRC, those were used on the classics to be able to navigate using stars?

Aren't those windows an option?


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

Quoting Mayhem (Reply 13):
Why do they still build them with eyebrows? IIRC, those were used on the classics to be able to navigate using stars?

Aren't those windows an option?

Boeing stopped putting eyebrows in the 737 a few years back. It is not an option either.

According to the Boeing press release from 2005...."The design change reduces airplane weight by 20 pounds and eliminates approximately 300 hours of periodic inspections per airplane. Retrofit kits to cover eyebrow windows will be available mid-2006 for the in-service 737 fleet."



http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737...05/photorelease/q1/pr_050126h.html



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10174 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):

DL will start installing winglets on 28 738s starting in late summer/early fall.

These are the 737-800s that will get the Transcon IFE. Is that correct?



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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see. Soon.....can we expect the entire cockpit window array to be plugged? Could save hundreds of pounds.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

Quoting Mayhem (Reply 13):
Why do they still build them with eyebrows?

They don't. Starting with Boeing line number 1650 (our N201LV), all NGs come without the eyebrow windows...


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21589 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 16):
Soon.....can we expect the entire cockpit window array to be plugged? Could save hundreds of pounds.

The space program has tried from the beginning to do just that, but the astronauts have always balked at the idea.



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User currently offlineEHRD From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 9):
So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?


FLYTUITRAVEL.

Yes it can be done on Classics as well


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User currently offlineDangould2000 From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7382 times:

Quoting EHRD (Reply 19):
Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 9):
So can "plugging" be done on 737 Classics as well?


FLYTUITRAVEL.

Yes it can be done on Classics as well

what about the -100/200 versions?



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User currently offlineBlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

As far as i am aware, Boeing makes the NG as of 2004 i believe WITHOUT the eyebrows ONLY?


Am i wrong?


User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting Dangould2000 (Reply 20):
what about the -100/200 versions?

I would think that since these airframes are nearing the end since the youngest -200 is nearing 20 years old; The cost of the modification would probably outweigh the benefits of the lower maintenance costs for the time remaining on the airframe.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2472 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting Dangould2000 (Reply 20):
Yes it can be done on Classics as well

what about the -100/200 versions?

I believe the 100/200 series are also referred to as "classics".

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 21):
As far as i am aware, Boeing makes the NG as of 2004 i believe WITHOUT the eyebrows ONLY?

I don't know the exact date, but you are correct. No new 737's, military excluded, come with the eyebrow windows.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2858 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting 777gk (Reply 10):
Plugging the eyebrow windows on the 737 is a great idea. Saves weight, does not require inspection or replacement, cuts down on spare parts, and reduces glare in the cockpit. Quite often crews would simply stuff a few sheets of newspaper over the window to block out the sun, making the windows effectively worthless.

Yes it is wonderful. Lower MX costs, cooler cockpit, and they were utterly worthless as windows to begin with.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 12):
Also because much better navigation and anti collision aids means there is less requirement for the extra cockpit visibility which was their original purpose.

Well they were there for maneuvering flight, particularly thought useful in circle-to-land approaches (they weren't). They were never a good feature, and Boeing and operators are wise to delete them.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 16):
Eyebrow windows were/are helpful to get a look-ahead while in a steep bank. I guess "technology" has removed the need to see.

You have never flown the 737, I see. These windows are utterly useless regardless of bank angle.


25 OPNLguy : We took delivery of N201LV in February 2005, and the decision on discontinuing the eyebrows came before that, so your 2004 date seems about right (pr
26 PHLBOS : A similar move was done towards the latter 2 years or so of 717 production.
27 727LOVER : Actually, I believe that term only apllies to the -300,-400,-500 So will winglet installation, eyebrow removal and repainting all happen to each airc
28 PC12Fan : You're probable right. Although I don't think it would make much dirrence as I don't believe there was a change in cockpit window design from the -10
29 Alitalia744 : dark blue as of right now, unless they decide to put the circum-widget on em'
30 Jetlanta : Are you sure? An internal winglet safety document shows an artist's rendering of the 737-800 with winglets in the new shade of red. Looked sharp. For
31 YOW : Yes. Air North has plugged the windows on at least 1 of their 2 732s. There's already at least 1 pic of it eyebrowless on a.net, but I'm too lazy tod
32 S12PPL : Oh good grief. Calm down, skippy. It isn't that big a deal....
33 Post contains links Viscount724 : Boeing item on the first 737 built without eyebrow windows, rolled out late January 2005. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...05/photorelease/q1/p
34 MD80fanatic : You are right there.....and I wouldn't fly one even if given the opportunity. The MD-80 series has the same eyebrow windows and more than once I have
35 Alitalia744 : Could very well be. On the DLX planes they're blue and the thought was it would be rolled-out fleetwide, however may have changed. I think red would
36 Post contains images Boeinglover24 : Took this one just last friday. I don't know if it's already plugged in or just temporary glareshield or something. Maybe someone can enlighten me on
37 Dl757md : It's plugged. DL757Md
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