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BA Still In Talks With Boeing, Airbus On Long-haul  
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13936 times:

LONDON -(Dow Jones)- British Airways PLC (BAIRY) is continuing talks with Boeing Co. (BA) and Airbus over a new long-haul airplane order, Chief Executive Willie Walsh said Tuesday.

Walsh told BA's annual general meeting that he plans to visit Airbus in Toulouse the week after next to discuss the double-decker A380.

He said he visited Boeing in Seattle a few weeks back and saw the new fuel- efficient 787 in production.

BA is also looking at Airbus' A350 and A330 as well as the Boeing 747-8 and 777.

The airline recently ordered four 777s as part of its initial long-haul fleet expansion.

Walsh told Dow Jones Newswires recently that he expects to finalize the new order in September.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE000292_FORTUNE5.htm

Well who will win this coveted order & wonder what Walsh thought of seeing the 787 in production?
IMO this is Boeing's to win or lose.


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13909 times:

This is no doubt a classic battle for business between the titans. I think the problems with the A-380 production and the continual re-designs of the A-350 series may hurt Airbus chances a tad here, but not much more than that. I think this will be a split order for some A-380, some 777 & 787.


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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13847 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
BA is also looking at Airbus' A350 and A330 as well as the Boeing 747-8 and 777.

I found this interesting. I thought many people on here dismissed the 747-8I totally, but it seems that at least BA is looking at it. Though as much as I would like to see a 748 in BA's livery, I don't know why BA won't order a ton of 77W's. They already operate an extensive fleet of 777's and some with the GE90. My guess is they go with 788's and 789's with some 77W's and a few 380's.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6868 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13585 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
IMO this is Boeing's to win or lose.

Yes, they must be considered the favourites. But there seems little doubt that BA are looking very seriously at a number of Airbus models. They made flattering comments about the A330 when they ordered four more 777-200ERs, suggesting that it was commonality with their existing fleet that swung it. The implication must be that if they were starting with a clean sheet of paper the A330 would have had an excellent chance.

Anyway, the four 777-200ERs aren't part of the fleet replacement programme and should be seen as a top-up of existing capacity. I still wouldn't rule out a BA order for A330s - though only if they are also buying other Airbus widebodies.

The A380 seems to have the best chance at BA. They may well order both the A380 and 747-8i (though I doubt it) but a BA order for A380s has looked likely for several months. I'd actually be surprised now if the don't order it.

The wild card here is the A350. I think a BA order for the A380 is likely and I could see an order for the A330 in certain circumstances. But a BA order for the A350 would be astonishing.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 2):
I don't know why BA won't order a ton of 77W's.

I agree. It seems an obvious fit for BA but we're told that it isn't under consideration.

So does that leave us with a BA order for 787s looking most likely and everything after that is up for grabs?

Elsewhere I've guessed (which is all I can do) at a BA order for 787s, 777-300ERs and A380s. That still makes sense to me. (Though I confidently expect to be proven wrong. Again!)


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13461 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
So does that leave us with a BA order for 787s looking most likely

This would make sense though. Open skies is nearly upon us and if BA can build up a good market on the EU-US flights with their 75's then the 787 would be a perfect aircraft to take over on these routes.


Lee



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13348 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
I still wouldn't rule out a BA order for A330s

Why would they order A330's at this point? Wouldn't 787's make more sense? I would expect BA to hold off on aluminum planes that will be obsoleted by either the 787 or A350; I would expect them to hold off on 777's for replacement for this reason. As there is no CFRP VLA on the horizon they will probably order the 748 or A380, or both. I could see them ordering 788's to replace the 767's and A350-1000's to replace the older 777's, or, if they don't like the A350 then pressure Boeing to launch the 787-10. Their 777's aren't that old; it would be worth it to hold off until a more economical plane was available rather than having the newest obsolete planes on the block.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13262 times:

i think it is good that BA is following LH and looking at both the A380 and the 748i, as for the A330, im guessing that is a incentive for them to buy the A350 but since they do not have any A330's in their fleet right now im guessing BA would not care about this. I see BA ordering the A350 as a 777 replacement (but aren't most of the 777's pretty new?) The 787 makes sense for them to replace the 767/some 757's and also use something like the 789 as virgin atlantic will. I think the A380 will be a must but i believe they will also order the 748i like LH. They may order more 777's as a filler until they can get these planes.

User currently offlineCygnusChicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

In agreement. My money remains on this being a Boeing 787 order. In addition, I think they're going to go for about 20 - 25 + 20 748is, and 0 + 0 A388s.


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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13093 times:

I think the A380 is highly likely, although not in large numbers no more than about a dozen.

To complement them at the larger end of the market there is the 748i, 77W and A350-1000. The 77W and A350 should allow BA to take out cost faster than revenue compared with theold 744s that they would be replacing. However an increase in fleet size would be needed to facilitate growth.

At the smaller end of the order, the 788 looks on paper to be the best possible 763 replacement. The A332 would only win it in my view on delivery schedule and initial cost of ownership. I think the A350 might be too large an aircraft for some of the current 763 operated routes.



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13015 times:

I cannot imagine BA never operating the A380 ! It just doesnt sound and look right . But that doesnt rule out the 748I either , they may decide to go LH way and order both types . The 787 at this time is stronger in my opinion but boeing would be working overtime to sell BA the 748I as After LH every thing has been hush hush and they need more blue chip airlines to order the 748I .

User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12958 times:
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Would love to see the 787 in BA livery.

Guess we all get to wait till late September to find out.  confused 


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12839 times:

Quoting Fxramper (Reply 10):
Would love to see the 787 in BA livery.

Here it is Fxramper : http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00007933
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p.s. how do add pictures to my post???



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12803 times:

I can't see the A330 ever making it into the BA fleet unless it is part of a deal for A350XWBs a la SQ (if anything). I also can't see any more 777-200ERs being ordered in double figures, considering some of them have been in the fleet for 10 years or so now? If anything there may be future 777 orders as 'top-ups'.

The A350XWB would make a good long-term 777 replacement unless Boeing develops a 777NG family using 787 technology and composites, and more fuel-efficient engines should they be produced. All these 777/787 deals can't run on forever if one family still contains technology introduced before the 787 came about.

As for 747-400 replacement, my money is on 747-8i alongside a small order for A380s to cater for routes like JFK. Can't really see the 777-300ER making the BA fleet.

Whatever happens I can see this being the lucrative order of the year for BOTH Airbus and Boeing, and will be interesting to watch!


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4859 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

In the context of BA and LHR , Boeing were working very hard on a noise reduction program for the 747-8. Anyone read any new detail on this?

User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Didn't BA say that they would not split the order between A and B? I think the 748 would be better due the fact that there will probably be to much capacity in the near-distant future.


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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12671 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):

Why would they order A330's at this point? Wouldn't 787's make more sense?

Because the 763s need replaced sooner rather than later. Waiting 8 years for B787s does not make economical sense when they can have A332/3s much sooner and then a very favourable deal on A350 that will replace equipment on the thinner B744 routes and the B772ERs. I still think BA will take both A380/B748i in limited numbers. IMO the availability of Trent powered A330s tied to a healthy deal on A350 very much makes this fight Airbus's to lose. Walsh was an enthusiastic GE supporter in his EI days, it'll be interesting to see which engines are chosen.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12639 times:

BA have said repeatedly, albeit a while ago now, that only one manufacturer would supply them with widebody aircraft. If that's the case, then it's still not clear who BA would go with.

If Boeing, it would be the 747-8i, 787 and probably 77W. Does this provide sufficient growth for BA who over the last ten years have focussed almost entirely on Heathrow, reducing capacity nearly everywhere else? The 747-8i are a good replacement for the earlier 747s, the 787 are a good replacement for the 767s and 777As, the 77W provides some growth for the 772ER routes.

For Airbus, it would be the A380 and A350. The A380 has been long speculated. Concourse B at Heathrow Terminal 5 has been specifically designed for the A380, and opens alongside the main building in March next year. The A380 gives BA growth on key routes out of Heathrow and with the freighter cancellations, are available before 2012. The A350 provides good growth throughout the 767-777 fleet. BA have shown before that they're willing to completely change their fleet with minimal consideration for commonality between existing types.

If it's a mixture, then the combinations are endless. I can't see BA operating the 747-8i and A380 in parallel, nor can I see BA ordering some 787 to replace the 767s and A350 to replace 777A and for growth.

The big benefit that Airbus have over Boeing is that the A350 is sufficiently larger than the 787 that it provides the growth that BA wants to see from Heathrow. Whilst the 747-8i fits well with BA's current fleet, the A380 fits well with Heathrow.

This is a classic ding dong between the two manufacturers, and it'll be very interesting to see the result.


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
the 77W provides some growth for the 772ER routes.

It does but while the 772ERs are pretty young it may make more sense to wait for A350 or a possible B787-10.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
This is a classic ding dong between the two manufacturers, and it'll be very interesting to see the result.

 checkmark  For once an order that has no obvious outcome. My personal and unbiased feeling is that an A330/A350 combination will be too good a deal to pass up. Then again B748i has no competitor and I don't see how BA can do without it. Boeing are going to have to work very hard to keep BAs longhaul fleet "Airbus free". A B787-10 commitment on Boeng's part is required for this deal to go their way IMO.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12511 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 2):
Though as much as I would like to see a 748 in BA's livery, I don't know why BA won't order a ton of 77W's. They already operate an extensive fleet of 777's and some with the GE90.

But thats like asking why NW, AC, or QF did not just order a ton of A330's instead of the 787. The cost savings of the A350 or 787 over the A330 or 777 are huge in the long term.


User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12477 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
The implication must be that if they were starting with a clean sheet of paper the A330 would have had an excellent chance.

As it should. The A330 is a very good airplane.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2211 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12447 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
BA have said repeatedly, albeit a while ago now, that only one manufacturer would supply them with widebody aircraft.

I still think this is a negotiating ploy on BA's part to get the best possible price, and they will ultimately place a mixed Boeing / Airbus order.

20 years ago, AA's Bob Crandall famously asked Airbus and Boeing for quotes on A300-600s and 767-300ERs, then signed BOTH proposals.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 22):
20 years ago, AA's Bob Crandall famously asked Airbus and Boeing for quotes on A300-600s and 767-300ERs, then signed BOTH proposals.

Albeit not in equal measure. A large airline like BA or AA can afford to tailor their fleet needs to suit different missions. The A300 has the cargo and the 767 has the range. I would not die of shock of BA ordered a mix such as 788, 789, A359, A350-1000, A380.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12354 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 18):

It does but while the 772ERs are pretty young it may make more sense to wait for A350 or a possible B787-10.

Yes, which I think is in the benefit of the A350. BA's ultimate longhaul fleet could concievably be A350 and A380. On the other hand, I can't see BA's longhaul fleet being 787 and 747-8i, there's a big capacity gap in between the fleets and at the top end of the scale, where the 747-8i only provides modest growth at Heathrow.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
I would not die of shock of BA ordered a mix such as 788, 789, A359, A350-1000, A380.

No, neither would I. But I'd imagine a more tempered appraoch. Feasibly, BA could order 787-8, A350-900, A350-1000, 747-8i and A380.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2859 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12223 times:

If I might repeat what I posted on a previous thread, about six weeks ago, today's "news" reflects the quandary I suggested BA were in............

BlueShamu330s From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 914 posts, RR: 6
Reply 115, posted Tue Jun 12 2007 21:11:26 your local time (1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5390 times:



Well, if I might make a contribution, this was always Boeing's contest to lose.

BA are more than acutely aware that, if they commit to the 748i, "the competition" will flood the press with indirect references to the fact that they (BA's competitiors) are commiting to a brand new 21st century airliner whilst BA is plodding along with a re-hash of a re-hash of a design some 40 years old.

Now, don't flame the messenger. This is the known dilemma BA is in, especially since a switch to another manufacturer for long haul would be unprecedented since BA was born. They do credit their premium passengers with an ounce or two of aviation knowledge. They do know that frequent premium passengers will compare BA's offering to others, and they absolutely know for sure that a certain virginal rival will milk any advantage to the absolute maximum.

They also know that any route which fills one or two B744s today will more than surely support A380 ops in the near future.

So, as the fleet planner for BA, do you go for a small percentile increase in seats or do you plan for the future, bite the bullet and go for the A380?

The A380 fits the growth graph WRT route development; the B748 falls short.....much to the exasperation of the planners in BA.

BA does have an allegiance to Boeing for their long haul commitments, and they have an excellent relationship with Rolls; that is exactly why they are in the decision dilemma they currently find themselves in.

If the A380 was a B380, I'm sure this order would have been placed many, many months ago.

The outcome will be fascinating, and I can't wait to see who on here was correct and who will be eating humble pie.

Shamu



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User currently offlineRunway24R From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12021 times:

Hi.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see a BA order looking something like this:

30 + 40 Boeing 748i to replace 744
25 + 40 Airbus A350-900/1000 to replace earlier 777 models as well as expansion
15 + 25 Boeing 787-800 to replace their Boeing 767-300ER fleet and expansion

Also am I right in hearing that BA expressed an interest a few months ago in launching a business only airline? If this were to come to fruition I would expect BA to order further 788/789 aircraft to justify a fairly small mainline fleet of 787s. Can anyone confirm or discard BA expressing such an interest please?

Regards, Runway24R



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25 Post contains links and images Keesje : I think Boeing 777-200ER and Boeing 747-8i are unlikely. They have loads of 777-200´s and 747-400 for at least a decade. No hurry here. The A380 coul
26 Post contains images Flysherwood : I have to say Keesje, IMHO that is not a very attractive airplane. It really does look like a giant flying whale. The 748 will look so much better wit
27 Stitch : The "seat gap" between a 787-10 and 747-8I would be similar to the existing gap between the 772ER and the 744. It will be a much larger gap between t
28 EI321 : As a 767 replacement or as a 777 replacement? Its bigger than the 763
29 Stitch : A 787-8 would allow BA to use four classes of service again - FIRST, Club World, World Traveler Plus, and World Traveler. This would allow BA to main
30 Bongodog1964 : There's a Boeing ad in todays telegraph, showing a map of LHR with the respective noise footprintsfor the 747-400 & 747-8
31 Post contains images WAH64D : Not in a million years. B744 will largely be replaced by widebody twins and where the capacity is needed we'll see A388 and B748i but not in numbers
32 Post contains images Stitch : Well the "simple" answer to me would be to say "787-8, 787-10 and 747-8I" because that would be a straight capacity increase over the 767-300ER, the
33 WAH64D : Your simple answer could very well turn out to be not far from the truth. Is B787-10 confirmed yet or is it just a possibility?
34 Aminobwana : I am not sure if such attacks will be factually justified. I many aspects, the B748i is more up-to-date as the A380, beginning with the Engines Then,
35 Post contains images AutoThrust : What did a.net Member Insiderinfo said? BA has practically decided to take 5 A380, 40 748i, and some 787 if i remember well. And Boeing was surely num
36 SEPilot : A senior Boeing official (I believe it was Carson) has been quoted as saying that the 787-10 definitely will be built. He was not specific about its
37 777236ER : All this talk about the 787-10 is pointless. It hasn't had an industrial launch, yet people on here have been talking as if it exists for the last yea
38 WAH64D : As far as I see it they don't have much option. The A350 will kill the B777 stone dead. Its more a matter of Boeing either producing a B787-10 or han
39 Aminobwana : As I already argued, I agree with WAH64D. Probably it will be not the B7810 as intended, but a larger an/or rangier aircraft to better compete with t
40 Stitch : Senior Boeing Commercial Airplane management have said they will build it. The hang-up is trying to meet everyone's needs within the current maximum
41 PM : Because it's available. Anyway, I clearly said that a BA order for A330s would only happen in conjunction with an order for other Airbus widebodies.
42 EI321 : I seriously doubt taht BA would order a fleet of five A380. What routes are the 767-300s used on?
43 AutoThrust : Agreed, doesnt make sense but it seems he knows something more then we do. That means they will give up the 773 ? Didnt someone at Boeing said they w
44 EI321 : Depends on how much they change it. If its basically a stretched 789 and nothing else it could be done for a billion or even less IMO. As as example,
45 BoeingFever777 : I can see that being an issue. Why did they order (4) 777-200ER then?
46 777236ER : As a top up, with nothing to do with the main order, if you believe that. If you don't, it suggests Airbus are in with a strong chance - BA would wai
47 VV701 : I am quite surprised having read through this thread that there is no mention of what BA executives have said about their imminent long haul aircraft
48 Post contains images Stitch : They have no choice. They can get another couple hundred or so additional sales over the next five to ten years, but by the latter half of the 2010s
49 BoeingFever777 : Really... wow... He stated the 772ER was a unlikely order... I simple asked why he stated that being they placed an order in March.
50 Aminobwana : This answer a question I have asked repetedly. Such amount seems peanuts. So the only brake to proceed i,,ediately seems to be the loss of potential
51 CygnusChicago : What's your point? The 78X to date costs about $12bn to develop. Divide by the current ~700 orders, and that is $17 million in allocated development
52 Post contains images Stitch : I am operating under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that Terminal 5 was for the exclusive use of BA, consolidating all of their LHR operations the
53 Aminobwana : My point is that $ 20 M on MORE than $ 200 M is OK !!!
54 Post contains links Azhobo : Possible split order according to seattlepi. Thought it was not going to be either... "Walsh had told me in Vancouver that he would not rule out a sp
55 CygnusChicago : I still don't get it. Why? What about $20 M on more than $100M. Is that OK? On $50M, is that OK? Where is the magical cut-off point between developme
56 PM : This has always made sense. I have never understood why BA would refuse to split the order. If the 787 turns out to be the best replacement for the 7
57 Cloudyapple : At 68.5m wingspan, the B748 will be a Code F aircraft sharing stands with the A388.
58 Ikramerica : Not always. It can alternate gates with the 772ER and each pair fits in two 744 gates. It can also pair up with 767s for the same outcome. Since airl
59 Burkhard : BA is operating their 767s into major non long range destination ( FRA an example I see daily ). With Open Skies projected to mean a larger share of L
60 Post contains links Keesje : From the horses mouth then: Speaking to reporters Boyle stressed the decision to opt for Boeing 777s over EADS' Airbus A330s was "a very close decisi
61 EI321 : As short term expansion. You think every 787 sells for 200m? Yes the 748 is in a different wingspan class to the 744. and yes the initial T5 pier wil
62 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Well, he also said that we could believe him because of his username... Ordering 5 A380's and creating a very small subfleet won't be making sense fo
63 Sketty222 : Completely agree As far as I was aware T5 was exclusively for use by BA and even Oneworld partners wont be given access. IMHO this would mean that BA
64 Post contains images Stitch : Fair enough. but do those stands have dual-level jetbridges? You don't need them for a 747-8I. In the short-term, an A333 might make sense, but a 787
65 Post contains images Brilondon : I thought that Qantas had ordered the A380 specifically for the Sydney-London routing. I believe that is what the A380 stands are for at T5.
66 EI321 : Im very doubtrful that BA would order the A330. If they want to wait a few years for the 787 or A350, theres nothing wrong with their current fleet o
67 SEPilot : What the terminal is used for now does not mean that it will be in the future. BAA is not BA, and while they may work closely together now they could
68 Hotelmode : Qantas will not be in Terminal 5 its BA only. The A380 stands are there purely because BAA would have been insane to build a brand new terminal that w
69 Post contains images Scbriml : Spot on. No other reason.
70 WAH64D : Any A330 order would be A332 and used to replace B763 and supplement B772 in my opinion. It will only happen if they decide on A350 as a B772 replace
71 Burkhard : When they get 787-900 or A350s in a time nobody knows how many airlines there still will be, they will have better things to do with these expensive
72 Stitch : Well if BA chooses the A350, they will probably be able to get A330-300s from Airbus on short-term lease if they wish.
73 Blsbls99 : BA isn't replacing 777s. The order in September is to replace 767s and some 747s.
74 EI321 : But do they really need A330's? Their oldest 777 will be 19 or 20 years by 2015. Correct, although the 777 replacement will follow afterwards.
75 Stitch : That I cannot answer...
76 VV701 : Correct. The use of T5 exclusively by BA was announced more than 10 years ago on 24 April 1997. However BA cannot purchase the A380 (or any other air
77 Post contains images Azhobo : Maybe BA had them make T5 A380 ready so they could get a better deal out of Boeing for the 788. Did anyone ever think of that! HOBO
78 Stitch : Thank you for the insight, sir.
79 Brilondon : That was said about T4 and BA was to use it for all its long haul flights. The pilots that would be flying the A333 or A332 would be from their long
80 WAH64D : Thats an assumption rather than a fact. Can I ask how you have come to KNOW this? Terminal 5 will be Oneworld not BA only, therefore QF A380s will us
81 Hotelmode : Not true. BA pilots are free to bid for whatever type they want to every 4 years. As most start in Short Haul most coming into LH now are airbus rate
82 Hotelmode : QF moved into T4 as part of the Joint service agreement with BA. QF and other oneworld carriers are catergorically not flying from T5. Its not even b
83 RTFM : Incorrect... BA have already stated that T5 will be exclusively used by BA. QF (along with BA's associated JSA routes) will operate out of T3. Theref
84 Edina : Not so.....BA Mainline Flight Crew are not in long haul/short haul "pools" they are merely fleeted according to aircraft type, i.e. 744, 777, Airbus
85 WAH64D : I agree with you, not my quote, you pressed the wrong button, it belongs to Brilondon reply 79.
86 Post contains images Edina : My humble apologies......it was late
87 Post contains images WAH64D :
88 Post contains images Brilondon : My apologies, my neighbour works for BA has also let me know this is not the case. I misunderstood an article I had read years ago that mentioned tha
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