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MaxJet Applies For LAX-SEA-PVG  
User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

"WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--MAXjet Airways, the award-winning low-fare all Business Class airline, has applied on July 16, 2007 for U.S. authority to operate nonstop passenger service between Shanghai, China and Seattle/Tacoma International Airport, with continuing same-plane service to Los Angeles. MAXjet proposes to operate this service daily effective March 25, 2009.

MAXjet's proposed service to China would be its first transpacific route. MAXjet would operate the proposed service with Boeing 767-200ER aircraft already in its fleet. These aircraft are configured with 92 Business Class seats, crew rest facilities and extra lavatories for long-haul flying. There are no Economy Class seats on the aircraft."


MAXjet Applies For Nonstop Seattle-Shanghai Service For 2009


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5201 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

I wonder if and at what price they will market SEA-LAX - since they are a US carrier.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Good luck with that. The would be a political nightmare, offering a limited slot authority to an "elite only" airline, at least that's how the majors can paint it to the public....


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5257 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Good luck with that. The would be a political nightmare, offering a limited slot authority to an "elite only" airline, at least that's how the majors can paint it to the public....

Aye. UA and NW (especially) will fight that one tooth and nail.

SEA is far more likely to get China service from Chinese flag carriers, who have multiple unused slots available to them.


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):
wonder if and at what price they will market SEA-LAX - since they are a US carrier

I would fly on a biz class configed 762ER to or from LA hands down over a cramped AS 739 anyday!



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

They'll never get it due to the limited market offer, but it's good PR. I'd be very, very surprised if they get it - and so would MaxJet.


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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

What kind of prices does Maxjet offer?


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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

This is a surprise!! I wish NW appled for SEA to China. I think Seattle needs a link to China and is the most underserved airport for Asian routes. I know many people working with IT companies around the northwest who travel to China often from Seattle and need to transfer in Tokyo or Seoul and would love to just fly non-stop.

If SEA doesn't get a link to Shanghai it at least for needs a link to Hong Kong.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

wow, a real surprise, IMHO, I dont think for one minute they have a cat in hells chance of getting it but kudos to them for applying

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

I liked Maxjet´s strategy from the start.

Relatively cheap aircraft, acceptable business class (60 inch) with all the basics ok for economy+ fares..

Curious what a no-nonsense business class will do against JAL, CX, SQ and China Southern..


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):
Curious what a no-nonsense business class will do against JAL, CX, SQ and China Southern..

They could fly to NRT now and we could find out...  Wink



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User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):
I liked Maxjet´s strategy from the start.

Relatively cheap aircraft, acceptable business class (60 inch) with all the basics ok for economy+ fares..

Curious what a no-nonsense business class will do against JAL, CX, SQ and China Southern..

I do too, but I wish MY had aircraft that were reliable.


User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

The only reason i can see a stop at SEA before the onward journey to PVG is because the 762 probably couldn't do LAX-PVG non-stop. I would be more than surprised if they were awarded the slot. My 2 cents
Cheers!


User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Maxjet really needs to start worrying about their existing service which they cancel left and right on a regular basis, before trying to venture out into something they have no shot in getting.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 12):
The only reason i can see a stop at SEA before the onward journey to PVG is because the 762 probably couldn't do LAX-PVG non-stop

Unless their models are lower gross weight, the aircraft can do the route, particularly in MaxJet's configuration



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User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3871 times:

It would be great to see SEA have non-stop service to China. though, we do have convenient connections to all of asia vie either NRT, TPE, or ICN....

User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3817 times:

Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 15):
we do have convenient connections to all of asia

Won't help unless Maxjet establishes some interline agreements ....  wink 



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3739 times:
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Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
wow, a real surprise, IMHO, I dont think for one minute they have a cat in hells chance of getting it but kudos to them for applying

- Agreed!

Well done, whilst unlikely to get awarded the route, it shows forward thinking and I'm sure if they did get it would put the cat among the pigeons!

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User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Unless their models are lower gross weight

Which I assume they are. With a 767-200 seating around 100 pax, it wouldn't have made sense for them to purchase a high operating weight certificate for their planes. IMHO, SEA would be included in the LAX-PVG route as a fuel stop.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8709 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 18):
IMHO, SEA would be included in the LAX-PVG route as a fuel stop.

You don't think SEA has a huge amount J class demand to Shanghai? I do.

But I agree, their jets may not be able to fly LAX-PVG, although it is hard to say. Very light payload.

[Edited 2007-07-18 22:31:15]

User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
You don't think SEA has a huge amount J class demand to Shanghai? I do.

I would like to see MaxJet fly this route, I think that by being the first airline of their kind, that they will find a way. Also the China market for Vancouver and western Canada is projected to increase at a healthy rate over the next 10 years. Since MaxJet is out to sell reduced Biz Class fares, they will do well. The problems they are facing is because they are still a small airline.


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Aren't they also offering 4x weekly STN-LAX from next month?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 18):
With a 767-200

These are 767-200ERs. Big difference.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting United777 (Reply 7):
I think Seattle needs a link to China and is the most underserved airport for Asian routes.

...about 400 other airports just laughed at you, uncontrollably.


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 18):
IMHO, SEA would be included in the LAX-PVG route as a fuel stop.

STN (51°53'06"N 00°14'06"E) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) 312° (NW) 5459 mi
SEA (47°26'56"N 122°18'34"W) PVG (31°08'36"N 121°48'19"E) 309° (NW) 5722 mi
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'26"W) PVG (31°08'36"N 121°48'19"E) 311° (NW) 6485 mi


max range for 767-200ER .. fully loaded .. 7618 mi .. with 100 pax? A lot more.



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25 WAH64D : A good analysis but keep in mind that although the aircraft is unlikely to be limited by MTOW it will be limited by the physical amount of fuel it is
26 Jetboy319 : I never said that. While I don't know the exact numbers, I would agree there is a considerable demand for J class to Shanghai. That's why SEA would b
27 SkyexRamper : They better press to get approval to be able to sell tickets for just the LAX-SEA leg, it would make better sense financially.
28 WAH64D : If you think about it, it makes less sense financially. This suggests to me that LAX-SEA service is a secondary consideration. The fuel stop and abil
29 Flighty : There are ways to handle this issue. Major airlines do it all the time. Money is money. They will sell LAX-SEA if they are confident it will not hurt
30 SkyexRamper : If the flight from LAX-SEA isn't full with people going onto PVG, that is lost revenue. They could very easliy have sold tickets for people who just
31 N1120A : Also according to Boeing, JFK-PEK is considered a typical city pair, which factors in for headwinds and configuration. That is longer than LAX-PVG Th
32 WAH64D : Isn't there an issue with slots out of LAX for domestic flights though? Its definitely better to fill the plane. Its just a careful juggling act base
33 N1120A : No. There are absolutely no slot controls at LAX.
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