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One Of P5 E195 Overshoots Runway In Santa Marta  
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17596 times:

Hey all,

Just on the news, but one of Aerorepublica's newest E195 just ended in a beach after overshooting the runway in Santa Marta (Colombia). Seems that crappy weather, and a really way runway, were thw causes. Six pax suffred minor injuries and it seems the plane stopped 50 meters out of the runway.

Hopefully everyone is fine, and lets see if the plane will make it OK.



Link in spanish only:

http://www.eltiempo.com/nacion/carib...ULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3642962.html


JAAH


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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17591 times:

Can anyone in Colombia take pictures of this plane sitting at the beach?.............glad to hear nothing serious with the passengers and crew.


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User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17529 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Thread starter):
Hopefully everyone is fine, and lets see if the plane will make it OK.

I am afraid the aircraft is not OK the report on the link provided says that the fuselage is separated.

"Al parecer el fuselaje se desprendió"


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17467 times:

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 2):
I am afraid the aircraft is not OK

That bit was added after i posted it.

It might become a really young w/o record for a E190.  



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[Edited 2007-07-18 00:52:25]

[Edited 2007-07-18 00:53:07]


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User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17448 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 3):
It might become a really young w/o record for a E195.

True. I'll be satisfied if it keeps its "no casualties" record for a long time, though.


User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17367 times:

hey

my best friend was at the airport at the time of the accident, he saw the approach of the plane, and he says(he is an aviation enthusiast so he knows what hes talking about) that the pilot came too fast, apparently he says that there was a tailwind of about 14 to 16 knots and the circular procedure in SMR was not able due weather, the pilot then pushed the nose down and the aircraft touched the ground whit the nose wheel first, then he saw that the plane didn't stop and then all the emergency cars went to the end of the runway, my friend went out of the terminal and he run to the crash site,when he arrived he was 15 mts. away, he saw when people were evacuating, he also said that the right engine is completely ripped off the wing therefore the wing is completely damage.

He called me and narrated all the things that were happening by the time, the plane even crossed a main street that connects Simon Bolivar airport with the city of Santa Marta.

My friend send to me a couple of pics he took with his cell phone and he at the time had a very good camera whit him, so we will see some good pics of the accident soon, I'll try to upload the pics that i have in my cell to the PC right now and then to the site. When my friend arrive here at bog I'll immediately upload the pics.

Hope these helps obviously nothing official these is just and aviation enthusiast eyewitness.

Regards

MATURRO727


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17262 times:

I just saw it on the news... the nose looks really bad and the left engine is also in the sea water.
Reg: HK 4455 surely will be w/o.
9 injuries, no deaths.

[Edited 2007-07-18 02:14:46]


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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17218 times:

Here´s a picture of the plane...sad:




Taken from www.eltiempo.com.co

[Edited 2007-07-18 02:26:43]


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User currently offlineLoalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17163 times:

Also here. First ocurrence with an E-190?

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL71976-5602,00.html



"...this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped."
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17162 times:

I flew on that exact same plane two weeks ago from Panama City to Medellin. Kind of creepy.

The runway in Santa Marta is so short you just can't believe stuff like this doesn't happen more often.



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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17137 times:

Quoting Loalq (Reply 9):
Also here. First ocurrence with an E-190?

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0....html

For lazy people:

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17098 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 8):
Not that bad but hopefully it wont be a W/O

Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17051 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Into sea water....??? It will be written off...........

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Considering this is a relatively new aircraft there is a distinct possibility it will be repaired and returned to service. Why do I say this ... does anyone remember hearing about the DC-8 that wouldn't die ... the Japan Air Lines DC-8 that overran a runway in IIRC SFO and was repaired and flew for UA for years. There was an article/thread a while ago but I can't find it anymore.

[Edited 2007-07-18 02:57:47]

[Edited 2007-07-18 02:58:17]


War Eagle!
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17050 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 10):
I flew on that exact same plane two weeks ago from Panama City to Medellin. Kind of creepy.

Hi Southa, I was thinking the same...I flew on the very exact plane last May BOG-MDE.



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17019 times:

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 5):
my best friend was at the airport at the time of the accident, he saw the approach of the plane, and he says(he is an aviation enthusiast so he knows what hes talking about) that the pilot came too fast,

no offense, but unless your friend was in the cockpit, i doubt he can tell if the plane was coming in 'too fast'. He also said the engine was completely torn off, but the pictures show otherwise.

Glad everyone is ok.

So because it was submerged, or part of it, will it be a write off? Is there lots of electronics located underneath the cockpit?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17007 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 13):
Why do I say this ...

Because. that picture was taken at low tide. Looking at the tide lines, when it comes in the entire fwd fuselage will be underwater......salt water will start corroding right away. The difference between the DC-8 and this case are VERY different. DC-8's are built like a tank and will take quite a beating.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16984 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Because. that picture was taken at low tide. Looking at the tide lines, when it comes in the entire fwd fuselage will be underwater......salt water will start corroding right away.

The difference between hightide and lowtide in that part of the Caribbean is 2ft or less. Had that aircraft landed in the Pacific, half of it would be underwater by hightide.



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User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16977 times:

It looks tweaked, also tides at that part of the earth are minimal.

There wil be a lot of damage done when they try to get it out of the sand. By the time it settles in, it will be like lifting it out of cement. I really doubt if there is any heavy metal in Sta. Marta that can lift it. But then I may be worng, I was there in 93.

AS



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16939 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 13):
does anyone remember hearing about the DC-8 that wouldn't die ... the Japan Air Lines DC-8 that overran a runway in IIRC SFO and was repaired and flew for UA for years.

The reference you want (from this site) is here: http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=1

The DC-8 didn't overrun... the JAL pilots actually undershot the runway. And there was very little structural damage to the aircraft, as it so happened. Even so, the repair bill was quite significant by the standards of the day.


User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1291 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16874 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Because. that picture was taken at low tide. Looking at the tide lines, when it comes in the entire fwd fuselage will be underwater......salt water will start corroding right away. The difference between the DC-8 and this case are VERY different. DC-8's are built like a tank and will take quite a beating.

I'm not so sure about the tides there. If you look in the extreme foreground, it's clear that the wave has just gone out, with a difference of only a couple feet between the tide line and the last wave. That's not much distance vertically, hence not too much water depth. However, the comment on the DC-8 is right on, and I'd add that plowing through a row of bollards, followed by the rocky slope and a sudden deceleration probably didn't help much either. Also notice in the pics that it appears the rear fuselage is resting on the ledge, which means it's probably bearing some weight, and also suggests that the length of the fuselage may have dragged on it. There's a lot of possible damage there, and it all adds up in terms of whether to salvage or part out (and remember, as a new plane, the parts would sell pretty well).


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16815 times:
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What a sad day for Brazil !

One overshoots (at least without major injuries or victims) with an Embraer 195, and a worst case... the JJ A320 in CGH.

Felipe



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16628 times:

Well, if i´m not wrong, there was a widebody kinda recently that went right onto the pacific maybe in PPT or LAX and it is still flying....I could swear i saw a picture somewhere

Anyway, it must be really frustrating to buy a plane and loose it like that after 5 months of flying...but there doesn´t seem to be a lot of damage, the fuselage didn´t separate and the engines weren´t destroyed.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 16601 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
Well, if i´m not wrong, there was a widebody kinda recently that went right onto the pacific maybe in PPT or LAX and it is still flying....I could swear i saw a picture somewhere

I saw that too, I think it was an AF 747.



War Eagle!
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 16587 times:

Scary! I'm sure that aircraft can be repaired. The WN plane that ran off the runway at MDW I think had more damage than this E-190.

Glad everyone made it out safe.


User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 269 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 16580 times:

ok 2 Accidents in only one day, come on!!! what happened? pretty wear and the 2 cases are wet runways and the planes going out!!!

the 2 accidents here in south America... Really incredible!!! but well at least in Colombia no dead people just better news for this sad day for Brazilians!!


25 ScrubbsYWG : TWA 800 in 96 happened on July 17 as well...RIP on this sad day...
26 PPVRA : Witches on the loose, as some would say. . .
27 Amwest2United : Can't repair a a plane that has been subjected to saltwater, even if it was flyable again.
28 Post contains links Da man : I would steer you to this: http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=1
29 Cloudyapple : I bet the only things that can be salvaged are engine 2, the APU and any equipment located towards the back. When you are in the drink, salt water do
30 Post contains images Brons2 : awe it's just dipping it's toes in barely!
31 Luisca : I definately think this will be a write off. If it is it will be the first E Jet write off and one of the newest ones as well. Thank God all are ok, t
32 Post contains images MATURRO727 : Hey. don't worry, you might be right but you don't need to be an expert to know when a plane is doing a high and fast landing, besides his dad is an a
33 Juventus : If an airplane touches down with the nose gear first, right then and there everything starts to go downhill, and that alone can cause a severe situat
34 A342 : It seems that the aircraft ran over a seaside promenade, right?
35 Snaiks : what is the Maximum Tailwind speed for the ERJ195
36 Juventus : Not sure about the manufacturer's recommended Max tailwind component, but most companies have their own tailwind limits, usually more conservative th
37 Post contains images RICARIZA : a PIC I found on the internet: And a video on CNN-Español:
38 MCOflyer : It was at PPT. For those who are familiar with the airline, please enlighten me on who they are. Hunter
39 Post contains links RICARIZA : http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...tory/0,25197,22093951-1702,00.html NINE people have been injured after a Colombian plane with 54 people on boar
40 Post contains links and images 787KQ : Other photos from www.eltiempo.com.
41 Post contains links and images FlySSC : If so, how do you explain this ? http://f3.yahoofs.com/users/41c10b70...__sr_/f4f1re2.jpg?phYwhnGBz0sUFQ.Y http://f3.yahoofs.com/users/41c10b70...__s
42 CM767 : I went to bed thinking how bad this would be for the pilots, now I realize that they and the passengers were lucky. Condolences to those touched by th
43 RCS763AV : Exactly, that was the case. And the plane went right onto the sea. This E190 has high chances of flying again.
44 Post contains images Jogales : The tail logo has been painted over...another sign that it could be W/O At least everyone is OK[Edited 2007-07-18 19:46:00]
45 Luisca : Yes but look at the structural damage in the nose, it is crushed in, the tail has been painted, they wouldnt do that if they plan to repair the plane
46 Teneriffe77 : The tail could have been painted to obscure the name of the company (deidentify) the plane to try minimize the bad press. The has happened in a number
47 RICARIZA : That's a pity, such a new plane, but well, one should only think in the amount of casualties: ZERO.
48 CBPhoto : Ok, this might be irrelverent, but has anyone noticed that the spoilers are not in the up position?? Now this could be for many reasons, however it co
49 Luisca : Power was shut down on the engines after the accident, this would lower the spoilers becouse they do need power to stay up. Same thing happened when
50 CBPhoto : Ahh...gotcha ok thats would explain why. Thanks for the answer!
51 Luisca : On a slightly different topic, I have never been happy with CMs decision to keep the AeroRepublica brand after the purchase, and with this accident I
52 Viasa : That's a little bit too late... all around the world peoples have seen pictures of this accident. For example on the Swiss newspaper "heute" is a lar
53 Post contains links Rampkontroler : Ouch! Well thank goodness no one was seriously injured. The aircraft actually doesn't LOOK too bad, but you never know until it's completely looked ov
54 2travel2know : By no doubt domestic commercial aviation in Colombia might be profitable but I'll keep saying that the main reason CM got P5 was because the highly r
55 Richierich : I realize that salt water and airframes don't mix well, but in theory, couldn't the nose section of the AeroRepublica aircraft also be replaced (a la
56 Iflyswa : Paint or no, if they do wind up making the repairs and returning the aircraft to service, I'd hope they would calibrate all of the control surfaces a
57 Hammer : I love the pic of the pilots on the phone...."um, yeah, we kinda put it in the drink"....
58 Post contains links SOUTHAMERICA : Colombian government announces that Santa Marta's airport will be relocated ...A new touristic complex will be built in the area occupied by the exist
59 Trekster : Unless im mistaken, the engine is still on the wing in the 2 pics above??? Maybe damaged, but still attached
60 GuitrThree : -or- "Well, I thought I could fly it, because I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...."
61 2travel2know : Better late than never.. That airport there was a waste of valuable beach front property..
62 RICARIZA : They have around US$ 28 million already that were alocated to reform the runway, plus what they can get for those 143 acres of ocean front property,
63 Luisca : Good training. Part of the whole go arounds are for pussies mentality we have in Latin America. Read post 52; CM has a long way to go before P5 can b
64 777jaah : I just heard on the news that crews are going to break the a/c in 3 pieces in order to be able to get it out of the water. So, goodbye to any ideas of
65 Post contains links TACAA320 : Possible cause of the accident: Sorry, only in Spanish: " “Le dieron preferencia a un avión de la Policía”, Alejandro Palacio El Informador mens
66 TACAA320 : I seriously doubt it.
67 Post contains links TACAA320 : This is one of the funniest [and more stupid] article I ever read... Sorry link in Spanish only: http://www.el-informador.com/ "What do they pretend t
68 Post contains images Cloudyapple : Going through those bollards means big holes in the nose and that's where all the electronics are. I didn't do it~ Doh'[Edited 2007-07-19 18:21:08]
69 Post contains links TACAA320 : Colombian newspaper inform about the lack of equipment to pull out the E190 from the site of the accident. " En un verdadero tormento para la Aeronáu
70 Post contains images Luisca : Say bye bye to the first e jet.....
71 TACAA320 : Really sad indeed. But thanks God and the cabin crew members without dead passengers.
72 Post contains links RCS763AV : They took it out of the water yesterday night, with the help of 5 cranes, and they didn´t have to break it up: http://www.eltiempo.com Take a look at
73 Da man : There is still hope it will be repaired and take to the air once again. Don't count it out until it is declared a w/o.
74 Post contains images PPVRA : Wow, thanks for the link. Quite an image, I would love to have witnessed it!
75 Post contains links Teneriffe77 : I don't understand spanish but I managed to find the direct link to the story about the plane being lifted from the water with a picture (BTW could so
76 LTU932 : It basically says that at 19:00 LT, they finally managed to get the plane out of the water, with the help of 5 cranes and over 20 people. The operati
77 Post contains links TACAA320 : " Luego de permanecer por más de 48 horas a orillas del mar el aeromotor, modelo Embrear, de la empresa Aerorepública que prácticamente acuatizó e
78 Post contains links and images Jogales : looks dead to me (photo from http://www.el-informador.com/)[Edited 2007-07-21 08:32:31]
79 Post contains images TACAA320 : Apparently will not fly again. Really sad.
80 Post contains images Tomascubero : Seeing it from that perspective I now think its definetly a write-off, the first photos didn't show that type of damage. And just like someone said a
81 A388 : You never know, to me the damage to the aircraft looks fixable but I'm not an expert. I'm glad to read no injuries occured in this accident and of cou
82 EMBQA : The damage to the plane in CLE is about the same.... but it didn't sit in salt water for 3 days.
83 TACAA320 : All we can say in this regard today is "pure speculation". Not even the experts know that, until they release an official report that may take some w
84 Post contains links TACAA320 : Information released by P5 regarding this accident [sorry but in Spanish only]: " Aero República enfoca su atención en los pasajeros y familiares de
85 TACAA320 : I'm just remembering the TA accident @ GUA some years ago, when a B-767-300ER was involved in a very similar situation.
86 Post contains links and images Viasa : This one: B767-2S1 (23494/141) N767TA, W/O: Damaged! (05-Apr-1993) View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank Schaefer
87 TACAA320 : In order to make such affirmation, you must personally check the aircraft. And be qualified for that. [DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that you are not].
88 Post contains links and images LTU932 : Remember the VZ 767 that was leased to Skyservice and had a very hard landing in PUJ. The nosegear slammed so hard on the runway, that the front sect
89 Post contains links TACAA320 : You may find some people's opinions [sorry, but in Spanish only] at : http://www.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/los...09668ebeb285718b9d&topic=11060.new [DISCL
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