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NZ & Boeing Working On A World First!  
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

Air New Zealand and Boeing are working in conjunction with a New Zealand based company (Aquaflow Bionomic Corporation) to "create the world's first environmentally friendly aviation fuel, made of wild algae."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4132048a13.html

It seems that they are looking at using algae to produce a biofuel that could result in aviation becoming carbon-neutral!

If the development occurs, NZ will provide an aircraft to test the new fuel on one of its Trans-Tasman routes by running one engine on bio-fuel and the other on ordinary Jetfuel to ensure safe operation until such time as the new fuel is deemed acceptable to airlines and regulatory authorities one would assume.

With aviation taking a bit of heat lately regarding global warming and the cost of fuel, this could be quite an interesting development!


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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
If the development occurs, NZ will provide an aircraft to test the new fuel on one of its Trans-Tasman routes by running one engine on bio-fuel and the other on ordinary Jetfuel to ensure safe operation until such time as the new fuel is deemed acceptable to airlines and regulatory authorities one would assume.

It'll happen with no pax onboard. The aircraft's certificate of airworthiness would not cover alternative fuels.



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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Nice to our small green patch of grass helping the future fuel crisis.

For an engine that is designed to run from jet A-1, do you know if they have done or are doing any ground tests on a G.T. engine to test performance?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 2):
For an engine that is designed to run from jet A-1, do you know if they have done or are doing any ground tests on a G.T. engine to test performance?

Gas-turbine engines can burn pretty much anything from kero to diesel to petrol to alcohol... how much power they produce on each fuel, cost and weight and freezing point are the deciding factors.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 1):
It'll happen with no pax onboard. The aircraft's certificate of airworthiness would not cover alternative fuels.

not necessarily and note that Boeing is involved... they're the ones that come up with whether or not an aircraft can run on whatever... of course NZ would require CAA (NZL) and CASA (AUS) approval.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Interesting development. Better patent the idea before some other country steals the idea  Wink

User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):

not necessarily and note that Boeing is involved... they're the ones that come up with whether or not an aircraft can run on whatever... of course NZ would require CAA (NZL) and CASA (AUS) approval.

In this case it would have to come from the engine manufacturer but I see your point.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9497 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

That's really interesting. I didn't know there was much work in the field of biofuels in aviation. If they test the fuel to be equivalent to Kerosene that the airlines use, then it would be exciting to see the fuel used in real flights. Its a good idea to only use it on one engine, but I assume that if the proper chemical formula in the fuel can assure safety.


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User currently offlineQF772 From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 4):
Better patent the idea before some other country steals the idea

How about a Swap, you can have Russell Crowe back



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User currently offlineNZAA From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

You can keep Russel Crowe !!!!
Someone was telling me the other day that turbines can run on coal dust.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Quoting NZAA (Reply 8):
Someone was telling me the other day that turbines can run on coal dust.

They wouldn't last long however... particles like that eat up turbine blades like theres no tomorrow... look at that BA 747 that flew thru the Ash cloud... (sure it wasn't coal that was combustable, but the particles were like a sandblaster).



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

These biofuels are simply not sustainable. Depending on photosynthesis to supply our energy needs real time will simply lead to large ecological trauma and, in the case of the botched pork barrel politics of America, economic hardship.

If you want to get off fossil fuels while still consuming, you're going to have to burn something with a little more kick.


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

I wonder why the Engine Manufactuer's aren't involved as well?

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