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User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7581 times:
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Lately, I have noticed all the new 777's & the last 2 747's after the UPS 747-400 have not been painted, and have been test flown in the green primer scheme. Is there a problem with the factory paint shop that had been responsibile for painting all these new build planes, or is Boeing painting them elsewhere.

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User currently offlineUnknownUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting Xms3200 (Thread starter):
and have been test flown in the green primer scheme.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought all first test flights were done in the green scheme.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9634 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7555 times:
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Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 1):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought all first test flights were done in the green scheme.

Quite a few 737's are, but it used to be very rare to see a green widebody.

Now it is quite common.

Boeing is using facilities in PDX and VCV to help in the backlog, the 747 paint booth still has SAM28000 in it, under lock and key.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
the 747 paint booth still has SAM28000 in it, under lock and key.

What is 'SAM28000'?


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

SAM28000 is Airforce One

User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7256 times:
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Is that the reason for all this backlog - SAM28000. Any idea what is is doing at Boeing other than getting a new paint job.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9634 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7256 times:
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Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 5):
Is that the reason for all this backlog - SAM28000

That, and the 767 bay is being refurbed.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 4):
SAM28000 is Airforce One

Whats the story on the name.
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User currently offlineWorldsurfer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Whats the story on the name.
regds

i think the SAM stands for Special Air Mission ,
I dont know the story on the number , maybe serial numbers .
I know there was a 707 SAM26000 at some point
Im sure someone else here know more information


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Saw the picture of VT-ALC already in the new colours, how about the VT-ALA, ALB?? Are they being painted as we speak??

When is AI planning to get them to India for regular ops?



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 9):
Saw the picture of VT-ALC already in the new colours, how about the VT-ALA, ALB?? Are they being painted as we speak??

VT-ALA went down to VCV on July 6th presumably for a paint job.

At the time of this post, I don't think VT-ALB has even flown once (looks like first flight is scheduled for later today).

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 9):
When is AI planning to get them to India for regular ops?

They will need two -200LRs to support their announced daily BOM-JFK service starting on August 1st. So if that service date is not going to slip, we know they will get at least two (probably -ALC and -ALA) will be before Aug 1st. The Aug 1st is allegedly important to AI because 9W starts US services via BRU on Aug 5th.



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

Quote:
SAM28000 is Airforce One

[pedant]Air Force One is the call sign of any USAF aircraft only when the President is aboard.[/pedant]

Quoting Worldsurfer (Reply 8):
I dont know the story on the number , maybe serial numbers .
I know there was a 707 SAM26000 at some point

Yes, serials. The VC-137s (707s) were 62-6000 and 72-7000, the VC-25s (747s) are 82-8000 and 92-9000. First 2 digits are the fiscal year budget.

BUT...
An aircraft is sometimes listed in a given FY block when it was actually ordered in a different FY. This is most often done for reasons of special convenience. For example, the serials of the two "Air Force One" VC-137s (62-6000 and 72-7000) might indicate that they were ordered ten years apart, whereas the actual difference was only seven years. The Presidential VC-25s were ordered in FY 1986 under the serials 86-8800 and 86-8900, but these numbers were changed to 82-8000 and 92-9000 by special order to create a series following the two earlier VC-137Cs.

[Edited 2007-07-18 23:03:46]

User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

While we're talking about SAM28000. I friend of mine who just transferred to Andrews AFB to fly Gulfstreams says a C-32 came back from maintenance with winglets cause Boeing screwed up and installed them on the wrong airplane.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31055 posts, RR: 87
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6801 times:
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Quoting Mk777 (Reply 9):
Saw the picture of VT-ALC already in the new colours, how about the VT-ALA, ALB?? Are they being painted as we speak?

On Monday and Tuesday one of the AI 77Ls in the new colors was in the 747 assembly bay (Building 40-22), but she was back out on the flight line this morning.

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 12):
While we're talking about SAM28000. I friend of mine who just transferred to Andrews AFB to fly Gulfstreams says a C-32 came back from maintenance with winglets cause Boeing screwed up and installed them on the wrong airplane.

There was a C-32 here at PAE a few weeks ago that did have winglets, but I don't recall if she arrived with them...


User currently offlineAarbee From India, joined Aug 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Whats the story on the name.
regds
MEL



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 11):
[pedant]Air Force One is the call sign of any USAF aircraft only when the President is aboard.[/pedant]

Mel,

As Wingsurfer and Visityyj pointed out, AF One is only called when the Prez. in on board.

Trivia - When Nixon resigned, he departed on AF One from Andrews Air Force Base and when Gerald Ford was sworn in as the President, somewhere over Kansas, the this aircraft lost it's designation of AF ONE and became SAM27000.



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User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 12):
a C-32 came back from maintenance with winglets cause Boeing screwed up and installed them on the wrong airplane.

Goodrich has a contract with the DoD to provide C checks on the C-32 fleet, so I believe Goodrich is the ones who installed the winglets...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
There was a C-32 here at PAE a few weeks ago that did have winglets

Was she at Goodrich Hanger 2 (The one by the ATC tower)?

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
Quite a few 737's are, but it used to be very rare to see a green widebody.

I don't know much about widebodies, but most 737s are flown on their B1 (First flight) without paint and are green. The planes are typically painted between the B1 and C1 flight, but on occasion there are exceptions. It's very rare to get a painted 737 at Renton Field.

[Edited 2007-07-19 03:02:29]


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User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 16):
It's very rare to get a painted 737 at Renton Field.

They started painting 737's at Renton when the 757 line closed. It is not very rare to see a painted 737 at Renton any more...

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9634 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 16):
I don't know much about widebodies, but all 737s are flown on their B1 (First flight) without paint and are green.

About 1 in 6 are painted before the leave RNT


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 18):
About 1 in 6 are painted before the leave RNT

Really? I've only seen 1 painted 737 at RNT in the last month, so I'm surprised hear that. I think every plane there now is green. I didn't think it was that common, but more of a rarity.



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User currently offlineNDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

The couple weeks I've been seeing some of the "green" Boeing widebodies here at PDX and going to the AMC Hangar next to Horizon's. Glad to know some more of the background behind. I hope they keep coming down. Adds a little variety to the airport.

User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

so AF1 is currently being locked in a paint shed at Paine Field??? I bet boeing will be getting a good profit from this otherwise they wont of done it!!

Also about the 737.... I thought on their first flight they leave Renton and go to Boeing field for testing and painting then delivery (after interior is fitted)?? I thought this was the case because Renton has a very small runway and to allow residents some peace and quiet


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Quoting Worldsurfer (Reply 8):
i think the SAM stands for Special Air Mission



Quoting Aarbee (Reply 14):
As Wingsurfer and Visityyj pointed out, AF One is only called when the Prez. in on board.

Trivia - When Nixon resigned, he departed on AF One from Andrews Air Force Base and when Gerald Ford was sworn in as the President, somewhere over Kansas, the this aircraft lost it's designation of AF ONE and became SAM27000

Educational.Thanks.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCpw From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 19):
Really? I've only seen 1 painted 737 at RNT in the last month, so I'm surprised hear that. I think every plane there now is green. I didn't think it was that common, but more of a rarity.

My wife and I tend to walk the Cedar River trail a few times a week in the evenings, and there's usually at least one painted 737 down there - typically parked on the airport side of the river. I've also seen fully-painted planes moving from the bay closest to the kayak rental place (far northwest corner of the plant, doors facing due east). I was always under the impression that they did final checkout there prior to first flight.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
I thought this was the case because Renton has a very small runway and to allow residents some peace and quiet

I believe Boeing and the City of Renton have an agreement that Boeing won't conduct flight test out of RNT, and that 737s won't land there. When BFI was closed for runway improvements last summer, all hell broke loose from the bizjets coming in and out of RNT. Apparently BFI is scheduled for more runway work in the next few weeks, so it'll be interesting to see what the Renton Renton Reporter has to say about that.


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting Cpw (Reply 23):
I believe Boeing and the City of Renton have an agreement that Boeing won't conduct flight test out of RNT, and that 737s won't land there. When BFI was closed for runway improvements last summer, all hell broke loose from the bizjets coming in and out of RNT. Apparently BFI is scheduled for more runway work in the next few weeks, so it'll be interesting to see what the Renton Renton Reporter has to say about that.

well couldnt they just move the testing up to Paine field and get the aircraft painted up their or at other places.... This will help with the problems at Renton and Paine Field will see the whole B family for deliveries.

What about old McD place in California where the 717 was made?? Do Boeing still have any facilites down there still that could be used??


25 Stitch : Boeing did send 737s up to PAE during the time BFI was unavailable. The 717 line is dead and buried, and I imagine so were the paint shops (assuming
26 Qwerty : And I believe ATC responded to the callsign change with a curt, but classy response. Something of the flavor, "our best to President Nixon and his wi
27 NDSchu777 : You are correct that a new 737 on its first flight will take off from Renton and then land at Boeing Field to complete the delivery process. There is
28 Post contains images RobK : So when Bush's taxi leaves and the 767 bay is done will that mean the everything will return to normal in that all the new heavies will be painted in
29 Stitch : I would expect for a bit that will be the case, but once the 787 starts being built en masse, I'm not sure two hangars will be enough... Anyone know
30 Post contains images RobK : Thanks Chris. Won't be VT-ALC as that's already painted in the new NEW c/s. VT-ALA is at VCV being repainted and VT-ALB is on the ramp in full old new
31 Post contains images Stitch : Alas, the weather has been cold and wet as of late, so when they even bother to open the hangar doors, they do not open them very wide...
32 NDSchu777 : Does anyone know if Boeing will continue to off-load airplanes to PDX for painting after SAM28000 leaves, or is this just a temporary thing? It's actu
33 RobK : I asked that in reply 28 above! R
34 Kaitak744 : So, what exactly is happening with SAM28000? It doesn't take several months to paint plane... are they doing other modifications there?
35 RobK : It's been discussed quite a lot recently, but in bits across different threads. The general opinion seems to be that the paint job has to be absolute
36 WestWing : When VT-ALC was sent to VCV, she was there for a very long time. Now VT-ALA has spent almost two weeks at VCV. It certainly seems that the aircraft ar
37 Post contains images RobK : ...and TNTs third 744ERF is just back from paint at PDX in full Emirates Sky Cargo livery !!!!!!!!!!!!! R[Edited 2007-07-20 03:10:02]
38 Post contains links and images Pr1268 : Get out!!!! That can't be real! Ok, I've got a question about painting the rudder only on a/c: I do know it's usually painted first in order to make
39 JetMech : I'm not too sure if that green colour is primer as such. I remember fitting a cargo handling equipment control panel door to an aircraft once, and it
40 LY4XELD : Rudders are NOT discarded because they need to be repainted.
41 XT6Wagon : rudders are not painted for balance so much as you can't really paint them correctly with them on. So one would assume it would be removed, repainted
42 Stitch : Yup. Boeing hoses the coating off prior to prepping the plane for paint. On Monday or Tuesday, a 777 was in the paint shop but was already fulled mas
43 RoseFlyer : The interior is almost always fitted in the factory. The only time that it isn't completed is when the seats or similar components arrive late and th
44 Poitin : They strip the paint with a special paint remover. They NEVER use sandpaper, although it is common to use 3M Scotch Brite pads to clean the oxides of
45 Post contains images RobK : It's due back at PAE this afternoon and VT-ALB is due to head down there at some point today to have its turn with the brush.   R[Edited 2007-07-20
46 Post contains links Rverginia : [quote=KBFIspotter,reply=15]Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 12): a C-32 came back from maintenance with winglets cause Boeing screwed up and installed them
47 Post contains links Rverginia : " target=_blank>http://www.flickr.com/photos/rverginia/ I have added the shots to Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rverginia/
48 LHPDX : Boeing signed a 15 year lease for those two hangers at PDX for painting...I'm sure well be seeing a variety of Boeing aircraft here for many years....
49 XT6Wagon : Mostly thinking of the hell that is painting the section shrouded by the vertical stabilizer. I guess I should have been more clear, most state balan
50 Stitch : Don't even need a hangar. A "cherry picker" had 28000's rudder off on the flight-line in less then a day. Same for re-installing it before they rolle
51 Post contains images Mattcawby : Are they wood hangers? or metal hangers?
52 Post contains images Clickhappy : more like Ape Hangers
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