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Is The Boeing 727-22 A 727-200?  
User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Hello all,

I need this information quick:

Is the Boeing 727-22, such as the Piedmont aircraft that crashed near AVL, the same as a 727-200? Or are they different aircrafts entirely?

Thanks so much for your reponses.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Nope.....a 727-22 is a 727-100 built for United Airlines.

When the 727 was first introduced, it was simply a 727 and the customer code followed, thus a 727-22 was a 727 for UA. Later, when the 727-200 was launched, the base line 727 officially became the 727-100. Some 727-100s were built after the 727-200 was launched, and you may see these referred to as 727-1XX models.


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Thread starter):
Or are they different aircrafts entirely?

Yes they are different aircraft. A 727-22 is a 727-100. 22 is the customer number for Piedmont. Boeing didn't use the -100/-200 tags on the model number originally as there was only one model of 727 for a while.

The 727-100 was very different from the later -200s as it had a midship galley. On it, the R1 door was co-located with the midship galley just ahead of the wing leading edge.

[Edited 2007-07-19 00:15:40]


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 2):
22 is the customer number for Piedmont.

      22 is the Boeing customer number of United Airlines. 01 was Piedmont customer number.

Most B727-100s had just the customer numbers B727-23 (American), -35 (National), -95 (Northeast), -51(Northwest), -30 Lufthansa etc, but for some like World Airways, they were B727-173C, 73 being WO number.

Cheers.

[Edited 2007-07-19 00:27:26]

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Here's a link to Piedmont's fleet. All of their 727s were 2nd-tier aircraft...none carried the PI's customer code. Regards.
http://www.geocities.com/~aeromoe/fleets/pi.html



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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
All of their 727s were 2nd-tier aircraft...none carried the PI's customer code.

I know that, but AFAIK once a Boeing aircraft is delivered to its customer it keeps that number during its whole life. And to make things more complicated, sometimes aircraft are delivered to one airline that is not the 'original' customer. In the link you provided, there's an example for that. One of the B727-22 was in fact delivered by Boeing to All Nippon rather than to UA and nevertheless kept its 22 number.

Here's what he said and that I've corrected.

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 2):
22 is the customer number for Piedmont.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

I understood that as well, OceansWorld. I've simply stated that Piedmont never ordered any brand-new 727s. Therefore, one won't find a 727-01, 727-101 or a 727-201. I also know that, for example United ordered 76 737-222s, but took only 75...the 76th was built & delivered elsewhere as originally ordered. Same with Continental's 767-324s...ordered, built and delivered to other carriers, but as 767-324s. A lot of Boeing's aircraft have been in this situation. Regards.  Wink


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 6):

Ah, right! I didn't understood it that way at first, but now that light has finally arrived deep down in my brain I see what you meant... That's what happen when I do three things at the same time...  sarcastic  Regards.


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Thanks so much to everyone for the replies. And a special thanks to Dutchjet for the quick initial response.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineAltairF28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Not only was the PI that crashed 40 years ago tomorrow a 727-22 but it was also Flight 22.

Slightly OT but from looking at the link FlagshipAZ provided it looks like of the six aircraft Piedmont wrote off in their almost fifty years of existence two had the same name (Buckeye Pacemaker).



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quote:
United ordered 76 737-222s, but took only 75...the 76th was built & delivered elsewhere as originally ordered.

I can't speak for the 76th, but the Air Florida crash at DCA in 1982 was an ex-United 737-222, N9050U:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19820113-0

As far as Boeing goes, the 727-100 model is the only Boeing commercial plane that came with the possibility of a two-digit system after the 727, such as a 727-22. Boeing's 707's all had a -100, -200, -300, or -400 designation, and as stated, once the 727 was offered as a larger model, the -100 and -200 system was designed.

Even planes that have one basic form use a model designation - the 757 for many years was only available in one model form, yet it was always called a -200. When the -300 came along, there was no confusion over designation.



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