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User currently offlineIFLYMCO From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 482 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Greetings,

I was just wondering if anyone knew how the FL flights at DAB were doing. I know at the zenith of service there were 4x ATL and 1x BWI. Now I think there is a single departure and arrival to ATL, still good considering it was supposed to be seasonal IIRC. I have flown DCA-ATL-DAB and return twice in the past couple months and the flights to/from DAB were about 80%-90% full (and the DCA flights have been 100%) That being said, any FL employees know how the loads are or if FL has been happy with DAB? Thanks for any info!!


Now it should be "IFLYDCA"
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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

I am not an employee but I have flown several of the segments in the past month or so.

I flew ATL-DAB, 6-26-07, coach appx. 90% full, Biz Class 100% full.

DAB-ATL, 6-28-07, coach appx. 80-85% full, Biz Class, one empty chair.

I understadn the DAB-BWI is gone for the summer right now.

For the most part I believe it is going well for them though.



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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

DAB-BWI - canceled

DAB-ATL - reduced to 1 flight a day. Was supposed to be a complete withdrawal but after begging from airport authority, kept it at 1 flight.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

The one flight was kept because the airport is providing assistance with the ground handling services

Loads for FL @ DAB have been steadily improving, though some service was trimmed back in may.june they still have 3-4 daily flights

Jan 53%
Feb 64%
Mar 74%
Apr 81%
May 89%
Jun 92%

http://www.flydaytonafirst.com/Airli...es%20Overall%20Load%20Factor07.pdf

Looks like things have picked up quite well for them, I imagine additional frequencies will begin to appear around the holoday season



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Does the Daytona area slow down that much during the summer? I would have thought that with the full flights into MCO, DAB might be a reliever for more than 1 a day. Does Delta and Continental cut back DAB as well?

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 2):
DAB-BWI - canceled

I believe that flight still exceeded expectations, and i would expect it back during the peak season next year, perhaps saturday only beyond that next year.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 2):
DAB-BWI - canceled

Not exactly true. The DAB-BWI flight was announced as seasonal from the very beginning. The season is over and so is the flight...temporarily. You can pretty much assume that it will be back next year.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 4):
Does the Daytona area slow down that much during the summer? I would have thought that with the full flights into MCO, DAB might be a reliever for more than 1 a day. Does Delta and Continental cut back DAB as well?

You can see from the load factor percentage posted above, the loads were actually increasing going into summer. I have lived here practically all my life and no, it does not slow down here. Many families come here to go the beach and what not. If FL would have kept all 3 dailies to ATL, they would have gotten pretty good loads on them. I really cannot understand why they cut back when loads were increasing unless advanced bookings were down.
DL beefed up all their ATL-DAB flights to mainline MD88 aircraft when FL came here. As soon as they left, they went back to a mix of mainline and regionals. Go figure.


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 433 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

What exactly is "seasonal" for a Florida route anyways?
Up here at PWM, I'm used to Seasonal meaning June-September service. I'm assuming DAB sees it somewhat the other way around? What months would BWI come back for if FL decides to return the service another year?



I reject your reality and substitute my own...
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 7):
You can see from the load factor percentage posted above, the loads were actually increasing going into summer. I have lived here practically all my life and no, it does not slow down here

DAB does slow down in the summer, load factors went up as seat capacity was trimmed back to reflect that, but DAB is stronger in the summer then they used to be

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 8):
What exactly is "seasonal" for a Florida route anyways?
Up here at PWM, I'm used to Seasonal meaning June-September service. I'm

DAB's peak season is February through April, as is for most of florida, demand drops off but remains somewhat strong for the summer, but literally falls off a cliff in september



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
DAB's peak season is February through April, as is for most of florida, demand drops off but remains somewhat strong for the summer, but literally falls off a cliff in september

Not sure I totally agree with that. They beef up a lot at DAB during the Christmas season too. Delta was regularly flying in 737-800s, Continental was bringing in 737-700s and 800s, and Comair or ASA can't remember had that weekend flight to LGA last Christmas season. Usually around Christmas Continental would upgrade to a 737-500 from the ERJ-145.

Although the most stuff happens around Daytona from Feb-April (Daytona 500, Bike Week, Spring Break), you usually don't see an increase in frequencies then - although in January we would see the Cleveland CO ERJ flight start on weekends.


I am wondering how Skybus flying out of St Augustine is going to effect loads at DAB too. St. Augustin is in DAB's capture area.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Not sure I totally agree with that.

Take a look at what happens to the seat counts... big drops from May to June and from Aug to Sept

For airports like DAB and RSW September can often be near 50% of what March is thats a pretty big seasonal difference



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

We had our Orlando vacation a few weeks ago and honestly, I would almost consider using DAB instead of MCO if the price was right. DAB is still within an hour of the theme parks and you have beach to boot. The airport is a breeze to navigate. I like it, but fares to MCO were enough cheaper to keep us over there.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7458 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

If nothing else,they are competing with DL for carrying the deceased from DAB. I read here that that's one of the reasons DL still uses mainline there ...


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User currently offlineXJrampeR From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 4):
Does the Daytona area slow down that much during the summer? I would have thought that with the full flights into MCO, DAB might be a reliever for more than 1 a day. Does Delta and Continental cut back DAB as well?

When FL was at the peak of their operation, we had all MD-88s. Now we switch back and forth between a CR7 and an MD88 on the noon turn on certain days and the first morning turn and the last turn are both CR7s.

Continental on the other hand had, for some reason, only one aircraft daily (1x735 EWR) with the exception of Saturdays when they had four flights, three ERJ's to EWR and one to CLE. Now they operate only 1x 735 to EWR daily.

I wish to see more opportunity in DAB, however, I don't think the airport honestly cares.

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting XJrampeR (Reply 14):
I wish to see more opportunity in DAB, however, I don't think the airport honestly cares.

The airport cares, and the often show they care by dishing out hundreds of thousdands of dollars each year to get more air service. the problem is the huge vacuum that is MCO that just sucks everything in due to volume, seat capacity, access to more low fares and nonstop choices.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 15):
The airport cares, and the often show they care by dishing out hundreds of thousdands of dollars each year to get more air service. the problem is the huge vacuum that is MCO that just sucks everything in due to volume, seat capacity, access to more low fares and nonstop choices.

I live in MLB and I have to go to MCO every time I want to travel, I would not mind making one stop in ATL if it meant not having to park at MCO, I spent over 70 dollars on my last trip. The thing is that factoring, parking, tolls, gas and everything fares still end up cheaper out of MCO. Traffic would pick up a lot at MLB and DAB if LCCs flew in, prices are prohibitive right now. For example, I paid 198 return to ATL from MCO on NK, on DL it was 433 dollars out of MLB!


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Every year when I take my vacation, I used to drive to MCO and leave my vehicle there for about 7-8 days. Since they hiked the parking fee to 17.50 a day, it has balanced out flying out of DAB now.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 17):
Since they hiked the parking fee to 17.50 a day, it has balanced out flying out of DAB now.

isn't it only 7.5 a day?

Hunter



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
isn't it only 7.5 a day

I think its 9 in the cheapest on airport lot, the cheapest ive seen out of the airport is Park Bark and fly for 6.99


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7458 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 19):
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
isn't it only 7.5 a day

I think its 9 in the cheapest on airport lot, the cheapest ive seen out of the airport is Park Bark and fly for 6.99

Jeez,ROC is only $4.50 for the remote lot...



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting XJrampeR (Reply 14):
Continental on the other hand had, for some reason, only one aircraft daily (1x735 EWR) with the exception of Saturdays when they had four flights, three ERJ's to EWR and one to CLE. Now they operate only 1x 735 to EWR daily.

I wish to see more opportunity in DAB, however, I don't think the airport honestly cares.

I often wonder the demand of a IAH-DAB. I’m surprised CO hasn’t tried it with all the traffic at IAH, I think they could fill at least 1 ERJ to DAB. I always have to fly into MCO and all the CO flights from IAH-MCO are always full. It is just such a pain to rent a car at MCO and drive all the way to DAB. DAB is such an easy airport to fly in and out off. Yes I would give up F in 752 or 753 to MCO if I could get a direct flight to DAB in a RJ no less from IAH.

When I was in college I took CO DAB-TPA and then TPA to IAH and DAL. I know I could take AirTran out of DFW for cheap to DAB, but they are not an option, neither is Delta.



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

IAH has been talked about on and off for a while, but the pax #s at DAB heavily favor north-south traffic. When DL did weekend only DAB-DFW it did ok, but not great, but it was also weekend only and to a weaker DL hub. I do think IAH would do good, but perhaps they are hesitant on doing it 1x because there would be no other options throughout the day (LAX via EWR is not a feasible option)


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting XJrampeR (Reply 14):
I wish to see more opportunity in DAB, however, I don't think the airport honestly cares.

I know a lot of the people high up at DAB, I worked there and being it is a small airport you meet the various people. Also while I went to ERAU, I did a research project on getting more service at DAB and I worked with the people at DAB who are in charge of getting new airline service. Believe me they bent over backwards to get United in, even though United is now gone. Waived landing fees for several months, passengers flying United got free parking etc.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
isn't it only 7.5 a day?

It is only about $6 or 7 at DAB, but in the main garages at MCO it is $17 or $18 - though you get 40 minutes free.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 21):
I often wonder the demand of a IAH-DAB. I’m surprised CO hasn’t tried it with all the traffic at IAH, I think they could fill at least 1 ERJ to DAB.

I know DAB is a north south airport, but it would be nice for them to have a flight to DFW, IAH or DEN for east west routes. I think they could at least do ERJ service to IAH, though again most people flying to Daytona Beach don't come from further west than Chicago.


User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 23):

I know DAB is a north south airport, but it would be nice for them to have a flight to DFW, IAH or DEN for east west routes. I think they could at least do ERJ service to IAH, though again most people flying to Daytona Beach don't come from further west than Chicago.

I'm curious to know what more could come of DAB. I live on the west coast and fly to DAB almost bi-weekly at times, but it's a pain from the west coast at times, especially for a non-rev. DL to ATL and over is the easier option obviously, but I really wouldn't mind another alternative like F9 to DEN....however, I've noticed F9 to be poor with marketing and flight planning with opening new stations before pulling them.

A prime example of F9 failure is FAT. Why they decided to go to 1x daily on an Airbus is beyond me. It was extremely inconvenient to be coming back from a trip, and have to wait literally for HOURS for a late PM flight from DEN-FAT. Not only this, but they decided to not do really any advertising. I really think they shot themselves in the foot when they did this. FAT-DEN is a very profitable market, as shown by OO/UA's performance. The flights are almost always booked full on a daily basis.


25 Apodino : Having gone to ERAU myself for six years, having used DAB numerous times, and knowing the area, I firmly believe that the airport is a goldmine waitin
26 Post contains images XJRamper : That huge vacuum that is MCO was not sucking properly when FL was at its peak then. What happened to the catchment when FL was running 6x daily? DL w
27 MCOflyer : Isn't sat parking only 7 dollars? XJRamper, I think CO should do 1x daily to IAH in the morning and 2x daily to EWR. One in the morning and one in th
28 Panam330 : $9/day at MCO, as mentioned above.
29 DeltaRules : Is CO still running a 733 or 73G daily to EWR? I remember seeing one daily a few times both during the week & on the weekends while I was there in Jun
30 Panam330 : 4x weekly 733, 3x weekly 735, 1x weekly ERJ. 2 flights per day on Thursdays only.
31 Post contains images XJRamper : I agree with you on CO. I still would like to see 3x into EWR, because one flight a day is crap. IAH flight, they should have that run 2x one in the
32 Burnsie28 : Doesn't seem to be that good for FL in DAB, if they were going to drop DAB all together and is still running a bunch of flights down there, mine Augus
33 CitrusCritter : You need to get on the Cargo Road and take it down past B6's place, where it drops you off on Goldenrod, which also has a 528 exit. This is great for
34 DCA-ROCguy : But my thesis is, just because you are buying the cheapest ticket, doesn't mean you will be spending less money overall. And I actually firmly believe
35 Apodino : The reason I said this is because if that $50 that is going to the cost of getting to and from a big airport, like MCO (Actually over $60.00), instea
36 XJRamper : This is a great time to invoke my argument about point to point. It is going to eventually have to happen. I am not saying obliterate the hub and spo
37 CitrusCritter : The problem is that markets like DAB can not support a significant number of P2P flights. Besides the hubs, to what destinations could DAB fill a pla
38 CO777DAL : Just for the heck of it I wanted to see how CO would route me from DAL to DAB I got some interesting routing all from $450 to $700 round trip. All of
39 XJRamper : What is your definition of Daytona's market? Daytona is the perfect market between JAX and MCO. Most people hate MCO just due to the size, parking, a
40 ClearedDirect : Those look like some excellent mileage run schedules!!
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