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New Eagle Routes: LAX/DFW-SAF, RDU-XNA  
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Heard through the grapevine ...

Effective 13 December 2007, American Eagle will be launching flights to Santa Fe, New Mexico from both Dallas/Fort Worth and Los Angeles, and from 4 November 2007, American Eagle will be launching nonstop flights from Raleigh/Durham to Northwest Arkansas.

About SAF: interesting move, and no doubt the DFW flights will do well, but the LAX flights are an interesting move because while they will serve a strong niche seasonal travel market, they will be competing directly with Delta. That being said, I think that AA's huge FF base in the LA area should help them do just fine relative to Delta in the market.

About RDU-XNA: makes sense, given the huge AA/Eagle presence in Wal*Mart/Tyson central (Northwest Arkansas), and this will link XNA directly into some of the east coast's larger business markets and connecting hubs not served by AA from XNA, like BOS, JFK and EWR, plus provide more connection opportunities to cities like LGA and DCA.

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

geesh... i knew XNA was a good market for AA but wow. XNA will now have:
LGA
DCA
RDU
MIA
DFW
LAX
ORD
STL

heck, wonder if we will see an AUS-XNA!



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
geesh... i knew XNA was a good market for AA but wow. XNA will now have:
LGA
DCA
RDU
MIA
DFW
LAX
ORD
STL

I agree. The level of service that mainline and Eagle can sustain at XNA really is impressive. The market is large and growing, so it air capacity there may well just continue to grow!


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

How is American Eagle doing with planes nowadays? I keep hearing a.netter's saying, "they're stretched pretty thin", but are more planes being received and put into service?

Congrats to XNA for all their new and sustained service! Poor little stepchild FSM at least got DL to ATL...

I would have hoped that BFL might get a return of American (Eagle) to DFW...  pray  ...hey, it worked getting United to DEN!!



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):

Perhaps AA will soon make XNA their new hub  Silly . XNA for them should be on the level of BNA and SJC flight-wise, or is it still smaller?


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4751 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

I want to see MAH weigh in on this one. This kinda goes against the whole Hub Fying bit out of RDU....
What are the passenger numbers for XNA-RDU currently?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9499 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
How is American Eagle doing with planes nowadays? I keep hearing a.netter's saying, "they're stretched pretty thin", but are more planes being received and put into service?

There's been a couple of route pull downs lately ... they're dotted around these boards somewhere.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 11):
There's been a couple of route pull downs lately ... they're dotted around these boards somewhere.

Most recently LaGuardia/Logan-Bangor. A bit of capacity will be coming from that.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
About SAF: interesting move, and no doubt the DFW flights will do well, but the LAX flights are an interesting move because while they will serve a strong niche seasonal travel market, they will be competing directly with Delta. That being said, I think that AA's huge FF base in the LA area should help them do just fine relative to Delta in the market

I am not surprised at LAX-SAF. There is a staggering amount of visitors from LA to the Santa Fe area. Staggering indeed, much of it from the entertainment industry. There are many, many people who commute to LA from SAF as their work schedules in LA dictate.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Hmm, both Delta and American doing SAF-LAX. Neither Delta nor American operate an ABQ-LAX route; that service is handled by Southwest. I wonder if this will draw Santa Fe locals away from ABQ to use SAF instead.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 23):
Hmm, both Delta and American doing SAF-LAX. Neither Delta nor American operate an ABQ-LAX route; that service is handled by Southwest. I wonder if this will draw Santa Fe locals away from ABQ to use SAF instead.

Assuming that the fares are at least reasonably competitive, I can't see how this would possibly not pull at least some traffic away from Southwest's ABQ-LAX flights. Saving people the 1 hour drive to ABQ is enticing, plus the relatively short length of flight (sub-2 hr block) shouldn't make the RJ an issue.


User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Neither Delta nor American operate an ABQ-LAX route; that service is handled by Southwest.

Don't forget that UA (SkyWest) also flies that route.

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KABQ/KLAX
http://flightaware.com/live/findflig...te.rvt?origin=KABQ&destination=ZLA



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9499 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
The market is large and growing, so it air capacity there may well just continue to grow!

Is AA exclusive to Wal Mart travel contracts?



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User currently offlineBlueheronNC From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
Is AA exclusive to Wal Mart travel contracts?

and, as a follow-up, how much business does Northwest Arkansas do in Great Britain or Europe? I wonder if the XNA-RDU flight is in part supposed to serve as a dedicated tie-in to RDU-LHR?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

I wonder what other potential destinations can be served from SAF. I am thinking if these other routes are a success, United may upgrade the SAF-DEN route to RJs and operate them under their own United Express banner rather than via their codeshare partner Great Lakes Airlines. I also think that Delta may start an SAF-SLC route via SkyWest, and CO may start an SAF-IAH route via Continental Express. Someone in the past has stated that an ATL route may work, but a CRJ-200 may have problems on the route, especially in the summer. The infrastructure at SAF is currently designed to only handle aircraft up to 60 seats. A CRJ-700, while capable of handling an SAF-ATL route, may be too large for the airport's current infrastructure.

New Mexico Airlines recently started an SAF-ABQ route, I wonder how it is doing. Once the New Mexico Rail Runner Express runs to Santa Fe, I don't know if this route could survive.

Can anyone think of other potential routes.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

DL in SAF? I live here and that's news to me. Is this service running or when is it starting?

DL, AA and XJ coming into SAF, wow. Up until now I thought the only commercial service SAF had was the Great Lakes Beech 1900D's to DEN.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting BlueheronNC (Reply 13):
how much business does Northwest Arkansas do in Great Britain or Europe?

Wal-Mart owns the Asda supermarket chain in the U.K., the second-largest chain in the U.K. behind Tesco.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
Is AA exclusive to Wal Mart travel contracts?

I'm not sure if it is exclusive, but it is pretty darn huge. AA/Eagle carry most of Wal*Mart's/Tyson's corporate traffic that isn't flown on those companies' own private jets, and in addition, AA/Eagle's dominant lead in the XNA market means that most of the ancillary traffic that Wal*Mart creates -- vendors, corporate partners, etc. -- tends to be flying on AA.


User currently offlineSilentObserver From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

i don't know specific details, except that the AA/Wal-Mart contact, use to require at least two-class service XNA-ORD, hence the MD-80 flight...i believe there are seat requirements on AA to provide and also Wal-Mart to utilize...apparently these flights are low load factor, high yield w/ a guarantee thrown in there...if i recall it used to be all MD-80 service and now they have raised the frequency with CR7s and dropped a few MD80s flights, but there is still one...

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26713 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4396 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
I can't see how this would possibly not pull

Ouch. Careful with those double negatives.



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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4388 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
Someone in the past has stated that an ATL route may work, but a CRJ-200 may have problems on the route, especially in the summer.

A CRJ-200 would never be able to do SAF-ATL. DL would need to use a 757 on that route due to Santa Fe's high altitude and relatively short runway. MD-88's struggle to do ABQ-ATL/CVG in the summer even with ABQ's long runways and lower altitude.



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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Neither Delta nor American operate an ABQ-LAX route

When Eagle first started flying Embraers out of LAX they were bridged through ABQ. For a short time there was a once daily DFW-ABQ-LAX run (and return). Now we just ferry them back and forth as needed. But SAF will provide a bridge route, which is always useful for maintenance planning. The DFW-ABQ was at 8am and the first MD80 was at 9am. But that was also when Eagle had PHX to LAX & SJC flights too, and that has been scaled back, so I doubt we'll see ABQ return.




Oh and yes, the capacity seems to come from the BGR closure. That's quite a bit of capacity freed up. And that's in addition to the SWF closure, all of which is EMJ flying.

[Edited 2007-07-20 11:50:43]

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

has all the capacity from the BGR and SWF flights been put into these new routes, or could we possibly see some new routes from MIA too?

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting BlueheronNC (Reply 13):
how much business does Northwest Arkansas do in Great Britain or Europe? I wonder if the XNA-RDU flight is in part supposed to serve as a dedicated tie-in to RDU-LHR?

I would doubt it has much to do with the London flight.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

RDU-XNA has been loaded..

1x daily

RDU (6:00pm) - XNA (7:45pm)
XNA (6:45am) - RDU (9:50am)

SAF has been loaded..

DFW 1x daily

SAF (12:55pm) - DFW (3:35pm)
DFW (11:25am) - SAF (12:25pm)

LAX 2x weekly (F/Sun)

SAF (2:45pm) - LAX (4:00pm)
LAX (11:15am) - SAF (2:15pm)



Aiming High and going far..
25 Post contains links ERJ170 : Here is the official RDU-XNA announcement.. American Eagle expands from Northwest Arkansas Through service: BOS Connections: LGA, CMH, BDL, and EWR Ai
26 Flyby519 : The reduction of BGR service has free-ed up some E135s for the DCA-XNA service as well as this RDU-XNA service. BGR used to be a major maintenance ba
27 CasInterest : Kinda means, a hub type activity. Definately seems to indicate that American is looking for ways to connect the Southeast/Midwest to Big East coast c
28 Belizexp : Yes DL Connx (ExpressJet) via LAX..
29 FlyPNS1 : I'd be surprised to see these routes. AA did try PNS-RDU on the weekends, but pulled it quickly. I do think that AA at times regrets giving up their
30 ERJ170 : Where are the American Eagle maintenance bases/hangers? is there one in XNA?
31 Post contains links Flyby519 : Here is a link to the A&P Mechanic job opening positions for AE. All of those locations (except Bangor ME) are MX bases. They do have hangars for hea
32 HVNandrew : Has this been announced yet? Because it's not in any of the schedules through November...
33 Belizexp : SAF-LAX DL7708 dep SAF 8AM arr LAX 9AM LAX-SAF DL7707 dep LAX 6PM arr SAF 9PM 1X Daily Starting Oct 5
34 CasInterest : XNA, doesn't have the traffic volume to outpace even Mob or PNS. However the MTC shed may account for the route. It just seems that if AA has loyal f
35 FlyPNS1 : Actually, XNA produces more traffic volume than MOB, but less than PNS. In June, XNA had about 56K enplanements versus 30K at MOB and 80K at PNS. How
36 MAH4546 : Just to add, the flight is being added per Wal*Mart's request. While the local market is not huge, when you combine the local market that with much sm
37 Akizidy214 : Not so hot. MQ is up over 300 flt cancels for the month for various reasons Not closing until September Of the top of my head. LAX SBP ABI DFW ORD MQ
38 BlueheronNC : ...and according to the AA press release, "This service will compliment existing connection options on other American Airlines flights from Raleigh/D
39 MAH4546 : That is the purpose of this flight. AA is expecting upwards of 80% of the passengers on this flight to be connecting to those four cities, as well as
40 Flyby519 : Is there any talk of upgrading the RDU-BOS service to an MD80 due to the loads? I know they already did this with a RDU-LGA spot.
41 MAH4546 : No. The RDU-LGA mainlie flight isn't a strong performer in itself. The main reason it was upgraded to mainline was to free up slots for other markets
42 ERJ170 : Have to agree. Don't see it happening. The only reason I could see an upgrade is to free up 2 or 3 ERJ for other routes (I think 5x to BOS instead of
43 MAH4546 : Agreed, that is a situation where it might happen. Though simply reducing RDU-BOS by 2-3x daily flights without replacement is also a possibility. No
44 ERJ170 : True.. except then AA would open themselves up to losing those fliers to DL or B6. I think there are a couple of markets that AA would maintain near
45 BlueheronNC : I wonder how much untapped revenue potential exists out there for AA to pursue more of these secondary markets (in the Midwest or Southeast) connecti
46 MAH4546 : Not nessecarily. The BOS-RDU flights, like many business routes for Eagle, rarely go more than 70% full. There is plenty of space to take them on the
47 PVD757 : If they would just supplement the RDU-northeast service and add PVD, they could caprure a greater % of the regional market share...
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