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CO And Skyteam  
User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Hi All,

I'm sitting here listening to the CO earnings call (which began about a half-hour ago). One of the analysts, Robert Barry, asked a good question: what is CO's take on DL's application to operate with AF/NW/KL as what is essentially an NW/KL style JV and why is CO not in on it?

CO's answer (my paraphrase) was that while they see Skyteam as important, they are happy going at it in a more 'singular' fashion.

I find this attitude somewhat worrisome, as it seems that CO is not really wanting to be a team player (no pun intended... sorta)

Can someone enlighten me as to why CO seems to want to remain somewhat peripheral in the alliance?

[Edited 2007-07-19 17:15:35]


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5214 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting NW748i (Thread starter):
Can someone enlighten me as to why CO seems to want to remain somewhat peripheral in the alliance?

CO knows that codesharing doesn't make any money and they feel that their EWR and IAH hubs can support flights just about anywhere they want to fly themselves. Thus they only codeshare to destinations they cannot serve themselves but feel they must offer to their customers. They also feel that their product is very competitive and will win in the marketplace.

They don't think that anti-trust immunity offers them any profitable advantage at the moment.



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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

An addendum of sorts: Is it perhaps the case that CO was not invited by DL to join the immunity appliaction? Seeing as they compete rather fiercely with one of the 'co-leaders' in NYC and in the South, maybe they were left out? Certainly such competitive issues are aligned with MasseyBrown's thought immediately above.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Quoting NW748i (Reply 2):
An addendum of sorts: Is it perhaps the case that CO was not invited by DL to join the immunity appliaction? Seeing as they compete rather fiercely with one of the 'co-leaders' in NYC and in the South, maybe they were left out?

My feeling is that CO wanted to left out of the application......while CO is a full SkyTeam member, there never has been any real interest by CO in closely alligning and coordinating with the other carriers in the alliance. CO and NW are well coordinated on US domestic schedules and codesharing, CO and KL do work together here and there, and thats about it aside from things like lounge access and FF programs. The KL/NW transatlantic deal works well for those airlines, but CO is not looking to ""joint venture"" on its (growing and very profitable) transatlantic network. DL has another agenda, DL and AF are moving closer and, I think, as Delta become more and more global in its operations, we will see more and more coordination between AF and DL.

As for the CO and DL relationship.....while both are growing their international networks and while both have big operations in the NYC area, the two airlines seem to be co-existing rather well without too much tension. Of course, DL and CO will get in each other's way from time to time, and we will occasionally see some ""off-color"" marketing with one of the airlines saying something not very kind about the other.....but the fact that CO is at EWR and DL is at JFK, and the fact that CO's EWR hub is a bit more connection oriented and DL's JFK hub/gateway is a bit more O&D oriented are subtle differences that seem to allow both airlines to grow and succeed without trying to kill each other. As long as both carriers produce profits, things will be OK.....if and when there is a downturn, things may become less pleasant between fellow Skyteam members CO and DL.

KL+NW have worked together for years and their relationship pre-dates SkyTeam, DL+AF are founding Skyteam members and are moving towards more coordination, and CO is the odd man out and will be on the perimeter of Skyteam, picking and choosing its alliances with airlines both inside and outside of the Skyteam group.

Its a different approach......and it probably will work out.


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

If CZ decides to enter the NYC market, which Skyteam operation will they choose, EWR or JFK?

User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 4):
If CZ decides to enter the NYC market, which Skyteam operation will they choose, EWR or JFK?

I would probably say JFK but because of the little competition at EWR I'd say we'll have to wait.


User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Although CO cooperates less than other airlines in SkyTeam, when they do they do it pretty well. In particular, their website lets travellers enter other SkyTeam frequent flyer numbers, recognizes elites, gives them elite seating, elite access at check-in etc... with Delta, you need to make a phone call to get this taken care of.

User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

I like a lot what Dutchjet has to say with regards to this matter, and agree with it. For the sake of avoiding repetitive comments, I will not repeat any comments already eloquently expressed by Dutchjet.

However I must say that part of me feels an undercurrent in the US airline industry, and what ever it is I doubt that it will be anything concrete in the next year or two, but maybe on a longer term basis. I have a feeling that CO's membership in Skyteam will only be short-lived and quite frankly I was personnally surprised with its enrollement into the alliance when it was first announced.

United's latest comments about looking for a partner with a hub in the southern US, as well as how both airline's networks can be easily adjusted to be complementing to each other... I just can't help but forecast probable future defection on behalf of CO towards *A.

I know, I know,... I'm about to get clobbered by a lot of you, but what the heck!!! Give it to me, and I guess only time will tell.

Cheers!


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 6):
Although CO cooperates less than other airlines in SkyTeam, when they do they do it pretty well. In particular, their website lets travellers enter other SkyTeam frequent flyer numbers, recognizes elites, gives them elite seating, elite access at check-in etc... with Delta, you need to make a phone call to get this taken care of.

It's actually very insidious on their part, if you ask me. Their booking engine will give you crazy routings through IAH and EWR for most flights before it will give you codeshared flights on partners...but they recognize Elite status and other very nice perks at the same time, as you said. Their goal is: "We'll make you like our service so much you'll want to fly our metal more."

Personally I like that a lot, but it's not always the best place to get fares to secondary and terrtiary cities when you're not near a CO hub.



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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 5829 times:

Speaking of code shares, does anyone know if CO is going to code share with Emirates on IAH-DXB? I would like to give CO my money, but I’m not going to be doing DAL-IAH-LGW-DXB and deal whole mess in the London, when I can go to DXB non stop from IAH.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 1):
CO knows that codesharing doesn't make any money and they feel that their EWR and IAH hubs can support flights just about anywhere they want to fly themselves.

plenty of airlines regularly quote how much additional revenue codesharing generates with very little investment.

Quoting NW748i (Reply 2):
An addendum of sorts: Is it perhaps the case that CO was not invited by DL to join the immunity appliaction?

Not really. ATI is a very complex process and no two US carriers currently hold it in the same alliance. DL and NW are asking for something that has never been done. NW's relationship with KL dictated that they would join DL and AF. CO doesn't have that relationship.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
CO and NW are well coordinated on US domestic schedules and codesharing,

CO and NW CANNOT coordinate schedules. That is against the law - and why carriers seek ATI.

Quoting Qazar (Reply 7):
I have a feeling that CO's membership in Skyteam will only be short-lived and quite frankly I was personnally surprised with its enrollement into the alliance when it was first announced.

you may be right.

Quoting Qazar (Reply 7):
I just can't help but forecast probable future defection on behalf of CO towards *A.

but US has to leave Star first.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5214 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
plenty of airlines regularly quote how much additional revenue codesharing generates with very little investment.

Usually less than $100 million on which their profit is what? $2 million tops???? They sweep that much off the floor on Fridays. Codeshares exist only to please the customer base; they are not seriously profitable.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

you might want to read AMR's transcript... they quoted several hundred million dollars just in the most recent quarter. Whether $100 or three times that much, they don't spend anywhere near that amount to obtain it. It makes no sense not to go after it. I suggest until you study airline finances, you refraim from making comments which are clearly not correct. Companies don't make decisions solely to please customers.... they do them to make money. If airlines wanted to please customers, they'd send chauffer driven limos to pick customers up at home.

User currently offlineCO787EWR From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 4):

EWR would be better for sending people all over the east coast, isn't DL's hub at JFK more internationally oriented? Their is probably more O&D to JFK but EWR isn't that far from NYC.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 13):
but EWR isn't that far from NYC.

EWR is closer to all of Manhattan vs JFK.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5214 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Quoting NW748i (Reply 2):



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
you might want to read AMR's transcript... they quoted several hundred million dollars just in the most recent quarter. Whether $100 or three times that much, they don't spend anywhere near that amount to obtain it. It makes no sense not to go after it. I suggest until you study airline finances, you refraim from making comments which are clearly not correct.

Mmmm...so I listened to CFO Horton's remarks during the conference call. While he specified every profitable item in their revenue line and highlighted the capex items devoted to productivity, he never once mentioned codesharing. Why do you suppose that is?

Because codesharing is not very profitable. AMR's margin was 3.5% on average revenue. If you consider that codeshare revs are segment- not trip-related and often less than average yield, add the expense of interlining, then deduct the commission to the selling airline, you have just about reduced the margin to zero.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):

Or after CO and UA merge. That alone would force US' hand and make them leave the alliance.



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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
but US has to leave Star first.

While I realize that US was in the alliance before the airline went the LCC route, I'm somewhat puzzled that they've remained a member... Last I heard LCC EI was leaving oneWorld. Any update on that? Are there any other LCC's in the alliances?



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User currently offlineTi717 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

I still think that VS, EK,SQ, and CO will Start their own Alliances. I know a few of them are currently tied up.





[Edited 2007-07-20 16:12:17]


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User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting NW748i (Reply 17):
Last I heard LCC EI was leaving oneWorld. Any update on that?

EI left OneWorld earlier this year.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4982 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):

EWR is closer to all of Manhattan vs JFK.

Huh? How do you figure that especially when one lives on the East Side?

According to the PA, JFK is 15 miles from mid-town, LGA is 8 miles, and EWR is 16 miles...

[Edited 2007-07-20 17:07:34]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2948 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
EWR is closer to all of Manhattan vs JFK.

As the crow flies, yes, but distance does not always equal time. From the east side of Manhattan, it usually takes less time to get to JFK than to EWR (although there are obviously many variables).



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 20):
Huh? How do you figure that especially when one lives on the East Side?

If you have access to Google Earth use their measurement tool to measure the distance in miles between any point in Manhattan and EWR and JFK.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 20):

Huh? How do you figure that especially when one lives on the East Side?



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 21):
As the crow flies, yes, but distance does not always equal time. From the east side of Manhattan, it usually takes less time to get to JFK than to EWR (although there are obviously many variables).

From the Metropolitan Musuem of Art to the Administration building of EWR, 18.17 miles. 30 Minutes

Driving Directions from 1000 5th Ave, New York, NY to Newark, NJ

From the Met to JFK's Administration building: 18.18 miles, 30 minutes.

Driving Directions from 1000 5th Ave, New York, NY to Jamaica, NY



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
se codesharing is not very profitable. AMR's margin was 3.5% on average revenue. If you consider that codeshare revs are segment- not trip-related and often less than average yield, add the expense of interlining, then deduct the commission to the selling airline, you have just about reduced the margin to zero.

Are you taking into account the business lost without codeshares? I couldn't begin to know what the losses would be, but I am thinking substantial.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 1):
CO knows that codesharing doesn't make any money and they feel that their EWR and IAH hubs can support flights just about anywhere they want to fly themselves

Where they want to fly themselves is really not the purpose, it's flying where your customers want to go. With the codeshare, they make something, even if it's marginal.

You make it seem CO could drop the codeshare and not suffer.

M


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 10):
CO and NW CANNOT coordinate schedules. That is against the law - and why carriers seek ATI.

They can't collude to make their schedules line up, but if it happens on it's own, that's fine. Dutchjet is just pointing out the obvious...with their hubs and the natural scheduling of banks at those hubs, CO and NW have a very compatible set of networks for moving pax between each other. They don't have to go out of their way to make it NOT work, as you seem to be implying.



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25 MasseyBrown : OK, I guess an example would be Taiwan. CO would probably like to fly to Taipei, but Taiwan makes profit difficult for foreign airlines, so they code
26 NW748i : The opportunity cost factor... most astute! Couldn't they do that with NW. I remember a few years ago NW did have a DTW-TPE flight with a stop in SEA
27 FoxBravo : Again, maybe as the crow flies, but not when you take roads and river crossings into account. I am not going to post my home address here for obvious
28 MasseyBrown : No, I'm not. I have no idea what they might be. I am thinking not so substantial, however, since codesharing doesn't represent even a 10% share of an
29 Falcon84 : Nothing insidious about that at all. When I look for flights on SHARES, it will ALWAYS put CO routing, even with single/double connections first, the
30 CO787EWR : Lacking in South America and Europe and they need a western US carrier Also SQ and EK dont like eachother
31 102IAHexpress : I’m not sure if it would be wise for CO to leave Skyteam. EWR is a large Skyteam hub with AF, AZ, KL, DL and NW. And IAH is a large Skyteam hub as w
32 Post contains images CO777DAL : That is an alliance made in Heaven!!! At least for me, I would be so happy. Get me everywhere I need to go and back. CO would need to beef up service
33 ConcordeBoy : ...particularly when one considers the opportunity-cost(s) of not offering it. Contrary to popular belief, and despite their hub/major carriers' oper
34 CO787EWR : Can i see that its not that i don't believe you, I always been said that JFK is O&D, then why don't carriers choose EWR over JFK(more diversity at JF
35 WorldTraveler : It's not hard to believe EWR is more O&D focused. The average int'l aircraft size at EWR is lower than at JFK because of the use of 757s and 762s, air
36 DeltAirlines : Also, from Midtown, I'd argue that JFK is much more accessible via mass transit. There are 3-4 trains an hour from NYP to EWR; LIRR has about 7-8 trai
37 Qazar : Cute!!! But..... no!!! Although I like a lot your route map... And quite frankly when I looked at it I thought to myself: hmmmmm... That's actually n
38 EXAAUADL : You obviously have never seen the financial impact from JVs.
39 Captaink : Isn't US a Low Fare Carrier, which is slightly different from a LCC? US serves international and domestic destinations with two classes, quite like t
40 Kiwiandrew : I think the biggest factor in all this is what happens to NW , I simply cannot see them surviving on their own and the moment that they are absorbed b
41 Post contains images Dutchjet : I really really hope that you are very very wrong about this.
42 MasseyBrown : No I never have. Do you want to offer some data? All we ever see here is enthusiasm, never profit numbers.
43 WorldTraveler : There is plenty said in AA, DL, NW, or UA's SEC filings for you to gain a very good understanding of the value of antitrust immunity, codesharing, an
44 MasseyBrown : OK, I'll stop talking until I can offer more data myself. I never claimed codeshares were worthless, only that they are minimally profitable. As alwa
45 Lijnden : I think that there are other factors involved; the anti-trust laws of both sides of the pond. If you look good at the whole open skies deal you'll fin
46 Dutchjet : Good to hear. But if NW does not survive, arent they out of SkyTeam? If its DL+NW, then there are only 2 US carriers in Skyteam, mega Delta and CO. A
47 Post contains images WorldTraveler : thank you for being a gentleman. I would also mention that the Euro carriers are pushing the concept just as hard. But CO can't buy IB and control th
48 Max999 : It has been mentioned many times on a.net that CO will take over UA. But has anyone considered the fact that the only thing CO wants out of UA is its
49 Kiwiandrew : I would think that CO would also want the DEN and SFO hubs as CO currently lack any sort of hubs in the West , while ORD , congested though it is ser
50 NYC2theworld : Don't forget how many slots UA has at LHR. Even with open skies they are still valuable. Those could easily be used for EWR and IAH flights and then A
51 102IAHexpress : I wish we could have a CO thread without someone bringing up a CAL UAL merger. I thought that horse was dead already. CO has said numerous times that
52 STT757 : According to Gordon Bethune who just finished his work on behalf of DL's Creditors during US Airways recent takeover bid, US and DL will end up toget
53 Dutchjet : I agree. You make is sound so simple.....and I know that you know that merging two major airlines is an extremely difficult and expensive task. Aside
54 ConcordeBoy : ...that's not exactly difficult to do. What else would you expect them to say? What does that have to do with anything? Bush would have no effect on
55 Max999 : Both of you mention DEN and IAD hubs. But I don't think either of them are that valuable for CO. 1) IAD is too close to EWR if you're going to have t
56 102IAHexpress : Well I don’t know if you missed when they were teaching government at school but the DoJ can and has blocked such mergers. And the DoJ is headed by
57 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : "Attorney General" "eminent" ...which you have no way of proving at this point ...don't what, think? Anyways, hate to break this to you: but if appro
58 102IAHexpress : Well I hate to break it to you but if UAL could not gather DoJ approval from John Ashcroft and a pro business administration in 2001, then there’s n
59 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...the same one that approved another merger of nigh-equivalent size/scope, which saw AA become the largest carrier on Earth, right? Arguably due to
60 102IAHexpress : The AA/TWA merger was a different beast all together. Without it, TWA would have folded completely and many employees would be without jobs. Which is
61 Post contains images N844AA : Imminent, actually
62 STT757 : I've flown PeoplExpress, Eastern, NY Air etc. I remember how it all went down, it was not pretty and nearly fatal to CO. However that was because of
63 STT757 : In all the "expand CLE" threads it's mentioned over and over again that CO should further develop CLE to act as a reliever to EWR, if any airport has
64 N844AA : Bring back GSO! That's an interesting way to look at it. That certainly looks to me like an airline to be reckoned with. I'm not thrilled with the id
65 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : Huh? Opinions Please: Stay Republican ...or Go Indep't? (by ConcordeBoy Feb 2 2004 in Non Aviation)
66 ConcordeBoy : ...yeah, that pretty much sums up your thought process in a nutshell. Correct and I stand by it. Here, however, is the flaw in your [lack of] logic:
67 ConcordeBoy : Miami might not agree on San Francisco being considered a more important biz market... true it's the the country's financial focus to Asia, just as M
68 WorldTraveler : and you can see Gordon had a huge impact on the outcome (sarcasm), didn't he? The same antitrust issues that killed DL/US once will kill it for all t
69 CuriousFlyer : Why wouldn't CO buy NW? That's inside Skyteam, they have a great Asian network, codeshares and other collaborations are already there... NW seems to b
70 NW748i : "That horse" is one of those that the Nazgul (from Lord of the Rings) rode... it simply can't die. You're probably right on this. DoT is already slow
71 STT757 : Are you sure, the Bay Area with Cisco, Apple, Yahoo, Google, Sun Micro Systems etc.is behind Miami? Who's in Miami besides Burger King? He got paid t
72 Post contains links MasseyBrown : OK, upon further research, it appears that 1) codeshares are probably more profitable than I thought, 2) the actual numbers will not be made public b
73 102IAHexpress : Didn’t those horses drown at the river Bruinen? Or were those some other horses?
74 ConcordeBoy : .... a/the regional HQ for essentially every company, particularly those financial-related, with a significant presence in LatAm. The writings never
75 NW748i : I listened to the earnings call this morning and couldn't help but note UA's pleasure with IAD. Perhaps it would not offer much value to CO having EW
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