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Man Dies Hiding In Pacific Flight Nose Gear  
User currently offlinePIAflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13487 times:

hi all

i just got the imformation that the flight from Shanghai to San francisco on UAL 858 that there was a cast away in the nose gear. about 30 min ago the aircraft landed with nose gear messsages. they have found a man in the nose gear. he is now dead and being removed. there is no news coverage right know but my father who works at SFO for UAL in the International side who is working on that flight right know has imformed me.

[Edited 2007-07-19 18:31:27]

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13429 times:

How desperate... and sad. Sad
R.I.P. noseflyer.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

Hasn't there been enough people who tried this to know that it's a guaranteed seat if you can climb in, but for your dead body only?

No sympathy for stowaways....

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13239 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....

I think it's a sad statement about how desperately some people want out of their home country. I wonder what he was running from in China? He must've been in some sort of trouble with the PRC government or perhaps trying to reunite with family here in the States?

Sad.  Sad


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12842 times:

Is the type a 744? If so, isnt it at least theoretically possible that he could have found some sort of nook between the cargo hold and the bay doors to insulate himself?

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12806 times:

I read some time ago about a man surviving a nose gear flight from Lagos to London on a BA B747.
I guess it's possible to survive, but what a scary experience when the nose wheel comes up.
And the cold at 35.000 feet ... hurts just to think about.  cold 


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12758 times:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/13714462/detail.html


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12620 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 4):
If so, isnt it at least theoretically possible that he could have found some sort of nook between the cargo hold and the bay doors to insulate himself?

At -30C for 14 hours with no oxygen....??? I don't think so.



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User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2351 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12527 times:

Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

These stories are a indicate poor education by the govts of these countries as well as poor security.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12482 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 4):
If so, isnt it at least theoretically possible that he could have found some sort of nook between the cargo hold and the bay doors to insulate himself?

At -30C for 14 hours with no oxygen....??? I don't think so.

As someone else mentioned, there have been a few survivors from similar events but the flights were probably shorter. There is oxygen at those altitudes but obviously not much. Quite a few climbers have made it to the top of Mount Everest (over 29,000 ft.) without supplementary oxygen.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30618 posts, RR: 84
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12459 times:
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Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
Hasn't there been enough people who tried this to know that it's a guaranteed seat if you can climb in, but for your dead body only?

Alas, many of these folks don't watch CNN or read The New York Times so they are not aware of those who tried such strategies before and don't understand the risks...


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12430 times:

As I see it, it's a Darwinian process. "See it as evolution in action."

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
I read some time ago about a man surviving a nose gear flight from Lagos to London on a BA B747.
I guess it's possible to survive, but what a scary experience when the nose wheel comes up.
And the cold at 35.000 feet ... hurts just to think about.

Not to mention the possibility of the bends.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Alas, many of these folks don't watch CNN or read The New York Times so they are not aware of those who tried such strategies before and don't understand the risks...

True. But even so you'd think someone knows someone who knows someone heard a story. My uneducated guess is that, just as with many people smuggling rings, the actual travelers pay good money for the privilege to die and those making the money have few if any scruples about the fact they just led someone to his death.



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User currently offlineKhelmDTW From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12212 times:

How did they miss that in the walk around, Aren't they supposed to look in the gear bay?


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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

Quoting KhelmDTW (Reply 12):
How did they miss that in the walk around, Aren't they supposed to look in the gear bay?

He could have jumped onto the gear on the taxiway when the plane came to a stop at some point... Awful way to die.


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12140 times:

Great security we got.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Quoting KhelmDTW (Reply 12):
How did they miss that in the walk around, Aren't they supposed to look in the gear bay?

Yes. But those bays are rather large. There have been previous threads on how there are several places to hide away from view.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12034 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

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That was my first thought as well. Yes, it's tragic and all that this person died but this was a flight coming into the U.S. We're spending billions on homeland security yet, from incidents like this, it appears as we're just as susceptible to an airline terror attack today as we were pre 9/11.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6303 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
Hasn't there been enough people who tried this to know that it's a guaranteed seat if you can climb in, but for your dead body only?

No sympathy for stowaways....

Much of the world is a desperate place...it's not all as rich and successful as the USA. It really shows what some people will do through to get to a better way of life...while it's less dangerous, people risk their lives all the time coming into the US from Mexico...see how hot that desert gets, and how little water they have? Or those in Darfur who escape into camps in eastern Chad where they are attacked, beaten, raped, and often murdered, but still they risk it because there's a chance it's better than where they are.

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 14):
Great security we got.

Well, it happened in China, sooo....unless you're Chinese, it's not a "we"



Sad story indeed.


User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 240 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
Am I the only one who is thinking about the security aspect of this? If a person can stowaway in the nosegear bay, then placing a bomb in there is just as possible.

Yeah no kidding...hearing these stories every so often about stowaways reminds you about how lax security still is.

With that said, I'd be a lot more surprised if the person had stowed away on the SFO-PVG leg, as I'd exepect SFO security to be tighter then PVG.



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User currently offlineSashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Sad story indeed  Sad
It's a horrible way to go.

Shanghai airport perimeter security seems to have holes to fix. Otherwise, could this have been a ground worker who had easy access to the planes as part of the job?



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11741 times:

PIAFlyer, is your dad pilot or F/A?

May he/she RIP.

Hunter



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User currently offlineCubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 407 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11741 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
How desperate... and sad.
R.I.P. noseflyer.



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....



Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 3):
think it's a sad statement about how desperately some people want out of their home country



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
As I see it, it's a Darwinian process. "See it as evolution in action."



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
Not to mention the possibility of the bends.



Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
Much of the world is a desperate place...it's not all as rich and successful as the USA. It really shows what some people will do through to get to a better way of life.

Security and other aspects aside; DESPERATION has no Bounds! Truly sad. I'm with you Madame.....RIP


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11687 times:

As with other similar events, and especially as to USA bound aircraft even before 9/11, there should be much better security around the aircraft whenever they are on the ground, to keep unauthorized people away, to check on who is working the aircraft and that the a/c never departs until all people who got near it are accounted for including baggage loaders, ground maintenance, cleaning and catering staff. There may have to be inspections using mirrors held by inspectors or inside of the area of landing gear compartments on specific flights.
Clearly those who try to smuggle themselves via the landing gear compartment's are in such a bad set of circumstances or so wanting to go to something they think is better and are either ignorant of what the conditions will be or will take the risk.


User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2684 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 2):
No sympathy for stowaways....

Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world. It's real hard to show sympathy when one has never had to fear for the lives of themselves and their families and friends. Sympathy is the last thing on your mind when you have a full stomach and a warm bed.

Funnily enough and somewhat ironically, types like you would the first to demand that the Mexicans and Canadians be sympathetic if due to some disaster, you where to become a refugee from the US. I only hope that one day you get a taste of your own medicine in a time of your most desperate need.

JetMech



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6303 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11150 times:

Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it's hard to know the depths of desperation so many people on this planet endure whilst one is so comfortably tucked away in the first world. It's real hard to show sympathy when one has never had to fear for the lives of themselves and their families and friends. Sympathy is the last thing on your mind when you have a full stomach and a warm bed.

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Quoting JetMech (Reply 23):
Funnily enough

Hey you make up words like me! I like you


25 Dougloid : There but for the grace of G-d go you or I. Most of life is an accident.
26 CBERFlyer : It always amazes me how for some people the first thought when reading about these kind of tragic events is something akin to "no sympathy". For me, i
27 Post contains images Piaflyer : ha ha halarious no he is a mechanic like the one who found the body, actually the mechanic who found the dead body is my dad's friend
28 SuseJ772 : Well said, SW733. Any American who has traveled outside the States on a Missionary/Humanitarian trip would never say that they have no sympathies for
29 LAXspotter : well said, this is really a sad story and shows the desperation and the trouble people are going to go thru in the hope of a better life, really sad.
30 Post contains images Plunaaircanada : wow so true plunaaircanada
31 Kstatepilot : I have no sympathy for this person, and here is why. If he wanted to get to U.S.A., all he needed to do was go to the Embassy. Once there he would ha
32 Jacobin777 : ..it takes them time to get acclimated to the various levels of oxygen..and they start off from a high altitude already (i.e. "base camp")......
33 SW733 : Unfortunately, that just isn't true. Even before 9/11 it was tough...now, it's even more tough. I know a lot of people see the US as a savior for eve
34 JetMech : Sort of like these two? So, you are saying that it's just a simple case of waltzing into your local US embassy if you want to live in the US. You are
35 Post contains images SW733 : Emporia is indeed pretty 3rd world
36 Rsg85 : Haha yes but they do it slowly, not turbines to push them up, and they wear a few extra layers. Is it possible to get access to cargo area from the m
37 Haggis79 : JetMech and CBERFlyer, welcome to my R/U list! you do not truely believe this, do you? Even for me, who comes from a European 1st world country it cou
38 Kstatepilot : Just going to ignore this immature comment... Actually, yes. I have several friends that came in legally. It isn't hard. So since I don't know alot a
39 Post contains images SW733 : Check my profile, lived here since August 2002. In fact I work for the government of Kansas. Thanks for my paycheck Mr. Taxpayer I understand, but th
40 Kstatepilot : Yeah, you pay taxes also. but yet still possible. If the only way to get to here is to hop in the nosewheel of a 747, you give up to easy. The ends d
41 Qantas787 : If this guy is capable of circumventing security to get get himself into the nose bay of a jet aircraft, he is bloody well clever enough to know the d
42 Mlglaw : Is there any datum kept as to how many countries people have attempted to enter illegally by being a nosewheel stowaway?
43 Post contains images Aaron747 : Picture from the evil SF Chronicle: Poor sap thought he was prepared with the jackets. Too bad he forgot about the atmosphere.
44 Lumus : So since I don't know alot about construction it would be acceptable if I hide in a wheel track on a backhoe? If I get ran over, will you feel sorry
45 HAWK21M : Sad case.Most common people are not aware of the Dangers of retracting gears,Temperatures encountered & Pressurisation. regds MEL
46 Ogre727 : What a stupid statement. Just because you have "several friends" that came there legally does not mean that it is easy for everybody. Have you ever s
47 Qantas787 : So many bag the US, so many more want to live there. Sadly some will take extreme measures in the forlorn hope of making it.
48 Post contains images HowSwedeitis : Uhhhh, how is the SFC Evil?!?
49 Post contains images David L : You know, I nearly took the opportunity to make the first response by predicting there would be a barrage of people saying how stupid it was because "
50 Jayhawk : Rarely am i driven to post, however some of the comments here leave me no alternative. One word to describe you folks who not only know no sympathy an
51 SW733 : Well I'll be damed, you're right...it sounded like a word I would use at 3am after half a bottle of Bacardi.
52 Starlionblue : There are big signs at most airports saying things like "Do Not Enter" and "No Trespassing". I do feel sorry for the guy. He was probably fleeced to t
53 Kmh1956 : So many are assuming that this man was aware that what he was doing was dangerous. He could have very well been a poor uneducated farmer or something
54 LAPA_SAAB340 : And this means....what? Sorry, but this tells me you have no idea of what you're talking about. Only for certain select individuals. For most of the
55 Starlionblue : As an immigrant to the US I must agree. It was not that hard for my wife and I to apply to the visa lottery. However, we did need transcripts, pictur
56 BlueSkys : I think u think to highly of your security here. And why the hell does everyone always think BOMB BOMB BOMB!!!! Oh wait, i think i live in North Amer
57 Post contains images BlueSkys :
58 Post contains links BlueSkys : Quoting JetMech (Reply 23): Yep, it's probably real hard to feel sympathy for anyone when you live so obscenely well in the land of plenty. I guess it
59 AirSpare : Yes they do, they always do. I agree, he should be arrested, sent to Gitmo for 17 years then buried. The majority of no sympathy posters have no idea
60 AC320 : This went off on a bad, non-civil aviation tangent. you're all free to disagree, but let's keep the insults and pettiness down in the future, shall we
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