Rejuvenated From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2006, 25 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6999 times:
Starting Oct 18, 2007 Cathay Pacific will double it's San Francisco operations. Schedules already uploaded on www.cathaypacific.com. All flights will be utilizing the 744s.
Boy do I love the timing of CX879 as it will fly mostly in daylight and arrives HKG just at the perfect time to enjoy an evening dinner and/or party at a night club.
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6928 times:
Legacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1841 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6790 times:
Thanks for the update. I was sure they were going to put a 773 on this route. But 744 are great also.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6689 times:
Quoting Legacyins (Reply 2): Thanks for the update. I was sure they were going to put a 773 on this route. But 744 are great also.
I was hoping to see their B773ER @ SFO also as we already see a CX B744.. ....
...load factors for CX on this route has been exceptional (doesn't mean its a profitable flight, however prices on this route aren't cheap either..even with SQ and UA competition so yields are probably very good) so I'm not surprised to see them add another flight..but another B744..
Rejuvenated From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2006, 25 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6626 times:
I guess they are forcasting high demands that would justify having 2 daily 744s. Also putting the 744 will help reduce the chances for unscheduled technical stops during winter when the headwinds across the pacific for the westbound flights are fierce.
Still have not seen the proposed new JFK nonstop on the schedule yet.
BTW is the photo on the previous reply the "real un-edited image"? That giant CX 744 and tiny UA seems to be flying dangerously too close to each other. But great focus for whomever caught that shot.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11956 posts, RR: 37 Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6597 times:
Quoting Rejuvenated (Reply 4): BTW is the photo on the previous reply the "real un-edited image"? That giant CX 744 and tiny UA seems to be flying dangerously too close to each other
Yes, it is unedited; if you go to other SFO photos on the photo search engine, you'll see quite a few like this; Runways 28L/R are very close and often, landings are performed on both runways. I remember seeing a superb photo of a Lufthansa 744 and a smaller aircraft, in much the same pose as you see in this photo.
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6581 times:
Be patient. By 2012 every one of Cathay's North America flights will be flown by the 777-300ER (Current plan anyway - there are rumours of more A346s!)
CV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6565 times:
Good news 2x/daily from SFO....always room for more HKG flights. Just wish other wannabe real international carriers realized the demand. It's always mind boggling how CX & SQ can come in and virtually dominate both the LAX/SFO markets with multiple flights from each city, yet the US carriers, with the exception of UA, can't begin to compete.
Also better fare deals on CX.
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6341 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6482 times:
Air India want to fly HKG-SFO, but the air services agreement does not allow it yet. The reason it does not allow it yet is because Air India do not have the spare capacity to fly the route and do not want a new air services agreement to be signed until they have the capacity to fly the route, much to the annoyance of Cathay which desperately wants more capacity to India.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6409 times:
Hope we will see Air India flying HKG-SFO. That will be cool. But when?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6103 times:
Quoting Rejuvenated (Reply 4): But great focus for whomever caught that shot.
..that photo was taken by none other than Jacobin777.......
Jlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5885 times:
Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11): AI starts service to SFO nonstop from Bangalore at the end of 2007 or the beginning of 2008.
AI is planning SFO service from BLR, but I don't think it is nonstop.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5858 times:
Quoting Jlk (Reply 13): Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11):
AI starts service to SFO nonstop from Bangalore at the end of 2007 or the beginning of 2008.
AI is planning SFO service from BLR, but I don't think it is nonstop.
Where would the stop be? AI's new 772LR could definitely do this high-tech route.
I find it interesting that CX is increasing their capacity to SFO... I suppose UA is hurting bad enough for international aircraft that they can't compete too hard. Then again, UA has started to throw their 777s in for hong kong routes, which gives them a bit more flexibility.
ultimately though, it's good to see this route is doing well and the added capacity certainly won't hurt prices for the consumer!
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5808 times:
Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 11):
I can't wait for that. It would be cool to see AI on SFO-HKG too.
Buth when will this happen?
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 14): I suppose UA is hurting bad enough for international aircraft that they can't compete too hard. Then again, UA has started to throw their 777s in for hong kong routes, which gives them a bit more flexibility.
Guess not. UA competes successfully with SQ and CX even from the beginning on the SFO-HKG route.
SFO777200LR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5739 times:
Quoting Rejuvenated (Reply 4): I guess they are forcasting high demands that would justify having 2 daily 744s.
Actually, this flight is in place to compete with Oasis Hong Kong. I think CX is trying to get a head start on a day time flight before Oasis starts service to OAK.
BAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 31 Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5712 times:
Also, I have it on good authority that the YVR service, that has three flights (one seasonal, two year round) will go to three year round come the fall. This plus the SFO added flight means a significant increase in capacity for CX in the NW USA and BC. Not sure about what a/c will be the third trip; it may be an A343. No A346s are planned.
baw716
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
Rejuvenated From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2006, 25 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5663 times:
Quoting SFO777200LR (Reply 16): Actually, this flight is in place to compete with Oasis Hong Kong. I think CX is trying to get a head start on a day time flight before Oasis starts service to OAK.
Oasis' plan was to fly to OAK, but latest rumors circulating is that they plan to go to SFO instead and may commence service as early as this winter. If that is indeed true, SFO-HKG will be a very crowded market route and we can potentially see 35 weekly 744 flights before the year is over offered by four competitors (CX, SQ, UA, 08). Nonetheless great for consumer options and let the pricing war begin.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5638 times:
CX is much bigger than it was before 9.11 and SARS
AirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5632 times:
I am glad to see that CX scheduled the new service as a daytime flight. When I flew to HKG last year, I flew from ACV down to LAX so I could catch CX 885 which leaves in the early afternoon. I did the same thing when I took the daylight QF flight to SYD several years ago. I would have preferred to fly out of SFO but have a strong dislike for 14 hour long red eyes. I can't sleep on planes; don't want to take drugs only to sleep upright in a Y class seat; and don't like the idea of arriving early in the morning (2 days later) only to spend the entire day fighting my desire to go to bed. At that point, you have lost 3 days of your vacation including recovery time from the long flight. CX 885 worked perfectly. We left LAX in the afternoon, followed the sun across the Pacific and arrived in HKG right after sunset.... around 7pm the next day (14 hours 19 minutes later). I took the train into the city and stayed at a hotel near Central then caught a morning flight the rest of the way to BKK and USM... rested and raring to go. I definitely want to go back to Asia in the next year or so and I'll most likely take this new CX flight out of SFO. I love flying on CX. Their Y Class inflight service is far superior to anything I have experienced on a US carrier.
I'm leavin on a jet plane. Don't know when I'll be back again....
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5615 times:
Exactly. Though CX posted a net profit still in 2003. Also in 2001 after 9.11
And good to see that CX is doing very well again. But it seems that the net profit is not as high as before. Maybe due to massive expansion?
25 HowSwedeitis: Mmm, could be... A lot of business sacrifice profit for expansion based on the hope of a higher overall profit in the future. But some go too far. Le
26 Nimish: With AI it's always hit and miss, but their plan is for a non-stop flight on this sector. IT also plans to start the same sector non-stoop with a 345
27 Jacobin777: ..their -200LR have a low configuration...I don't have the seat plans in front of me but I assume even economy will have decent seat pitch.... I thin
28 AS739X: This will be the perfect time to start when it comes to gate space. The last 3 International gates A1,3,5 should be opening in Oct. But I wonder where
29 SkyyMaster: Isn't Jet Airways planning an SFO-PVG-India route? I can't recall what the terminus is, but I do know it was planning on a PVG stopover, or so says t
30 AS739X: Not a rumor. They are planning new service. The manager here at SFO has said that SFO is receiving 5 new international carriers. I have come up with
31 Wedgetail737: If it's true, that's too bad for OAK. I was looking forward to seeing fresh international service to OAK. But for five international carriers to star
32 AS739X: I'd love to see VN here as well (specially considering my wife is Vietnamese). But I think they have decided on LAX to start USA service. But us Bay
33 Wedgetail737: I guess I wasn't aware that VN had picked LAX first. When VN announced their intentions to fly to the US after the trade embargo had lifted, it had b
34 BDL2STL2PVG: While this may indeed be a profitable route, I just can not understand why they have not launched a HKG/ORD flight. The number of city combinations th
35 FLYGUY767: I am safe betting this one to be Kingfisher and Oasis Hong Kong So in the end the 5 new airlines would be: Aer Lingus(330) Air India(777) Jet Airways
36 AS739X: I'd have to agree with those, but I don't think that Virgin Blue will have the 773ER by the end of the year. I don't know what the date for those are
37 Bkkair: Jet Airways likely in 2008 From this article on 8 Jul with Jet Airways chief Naresh Goyal: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ndia_Goyal/articlesh
38 SkyyMaster: SFO going from zero Indian carriers to three? Interesting notion. My spy at BNA who works for DL says AM, but then they claim to be wanting to fly ev
39 Wedgetail737: Until Oasis HK makes an announcement, I still hold out hope for them to serve OAK over SFO. This service would raise the "status" of OAK as being an i
40 Jacobin777: ..unfortunately with AA ending SJC-NRT last October, we no longer have services to Asia anymore...
41 SFO777200LR: I'll agree with you some what. FedEx (although cargo) has numerous flights from Asia. Over the years, OAK has gotten some pretty interesting players.
42 FLYGUY767: Capitol (Mid 1970's) > Europe Charters Minerve (Seasonal Charter to Paris Early 1990's) Saturn (Mid 1970's) > Europe Charters Tower Air (Summer Chart
43 Nimish: My statement was not about the potential of the route, just about AI's ability (or not) to sustain a proper service without innumerable cancellations
44 SkyyMaster: Actually, I do beleive Oasis plan all along has been to operate into OAK. ATW Online this morning confirms that, along with their interest in Chicago.
45 Cloudyapple: I can confirm Oasis' winter schedule lists KSFO, NOT KOAK.
46 Jacobin777: ..well, hopefully with newer aircraft and competition creeping up behind them, they will be a bit more serious with their operations..I think they wi
47 SkyyMaster: Any idea why they opted for SFO instead of OAK which was their original stated intent? This obviously contradicts what ATW said just this morning. Pe
48 Rejuvenated: Maybe to compete head to head with the big boys of CX, UA, SQ? Who knows but sure makes more sense.
49 Wedgetail737: Darn! I was hoping for OAK. I remember back in the 80's when OAK was campaigning for Korean Air.
50 Superfly: Excellent news! Great airline, great livery and I am happy to see more 747-400 traffic! Glad they didn't bring the 777.[Edited 2007-07-23 20:30:22]
51 Rejuvenated: The real highlight of CX's new daytime departure from SFO is the beauty of being able to experience First Class while staying awake for most of the fl
52 Bkkair: From ATW yesterday. It looks like Oasis wants to expand beyond Oakland and Chicago in the US. Oasis Hong Kong Airlines asked the US Dept. of Transport
53 Rejuvenated: Cologne is the most surprising out of their expansion plans. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe at the moment no Asian carrier is serving that Ge
54 LH459: Our EK sales rep doesn't even like to discuss that anymore. Seems plans are on indefinite hiatus. Meanwhile, I'm ecstatic about this new CX flight!
55 AS739X: Thanks, sounds like your EK Rep is a little frustrated to. ASSFO
56 QantasHeavy: When does CX get the 777-300ERs??? More 346s for CX? I thought they were unhappy with their current three of the type.
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