CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6448 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7079 times:
There have been rumours about IST restarting. Once the 777-30ERs start arriving and freeing A340s off the North America routes, we can expect to see further strengthening of many of our longhaul and shorthaul routes and a few new ones.
Moscow is still being worked on but no outcome is expected soon. Aeroflot holds the sole rights between Moscow and many destinations from the Russian side and there is debate about who's jurisdiction it is and who's rights they are to give to CX in the first place!
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6724 times:
CX need to get their LHR/BA/Oneworld head out of their A$$ and get back to serving MAN and direct. SQ have the hold on South East Asia/OZ/NZ, but CX would get the Industrial regions of China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. So CX get some balls and just do it direct, as I am sick of hearing of this so called commitment but via somewhere else crap over and over again.
N503JB From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 300 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6410 times:
Quoting Turkishsky (Reply 3): CX started flying to IST in late '98 or early '99 and flew until little after 9/11.
It was twice weekly nonstop with A340.
CX wont return IST unless Turk CAD or TK give permission to CX fifth freedom DXB-IST caused this supposed Turk side had promised CX/HKG in 2004 ASA meeting but finally refused to give and lie to HKG. That's the reason TK not even can thinking to increase even addtional 1 flight.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9035 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6107 times:
Quoting N503JB (Reply 9): CX wont return IST unless Turk CAD or TK give permission to CX fifth freedom DXB-IST caused this supposed Turk side had promised CX/HKG in 2004 ASA meeting but finally refused to give and lie to HKG. That's the reason TK not even can thinking to increase even addtional 1 flight.
Rutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2356 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
I am with Col on this having to choosing to travel via Amsterdam to connect to OUR Hong Kong service is just wrong !
Manchester NEEDS an alternative Far East direct service to COMPETE with SQ (Try getting seat with them at a reasonable fare !) NOW.
Oneworld alliance (L. Aways ) has devastated growth at Manchester AND other mid sized airports (In Australia Barcelona Throughout the UK and Eire (EI growth AFTER leaving ! for instance) with few benefits to the passenger (Fare Payer or even those traveling on other peoples money) unlike Star with many more varied connections AND FOCUS points not just hubs . LOOK at Munich/Zurich/Vienna (relatively close by each other) ALL able to maintain LONG HAUL with extensive short haul/feeder connections AND Similarly Bangkok/Singapore in south East Asia
Moscow is a non-starter for sure but how about oh i don't know via ARLANDA or HELSINKI if two point is way to go.
Perfect for competition with *A will get some front seats out of Stockholm AND up lift a few MORE cardboard boxes between already served destinations perhaps !
Hong Kong -Manchester great service if box abysmal if self loading freight.
What i can't get my head around is that where boxes travel you know BUSINESS must be good and therefore demand for passengers (The buyers/sellers of the contents of those boxes and many/most will be potential CLUB world and upwards fare payers LIKE ME !)
Yield i may here from some well perhaps but what many don't understand is even this can and has been manipulated by agents historically so that when i have tried to book HONG KONG in the past (When we had service )the agent /sellers computer programmes would throw up via LHR FIRST and that goes back to the days BA flew direct.
Suffice to say MANCHESTER- HONG KONG is viable CX or that outfit flying to Gatwick could make money i am sure.
In the case of CX THEY have the slots they have the aircraft they have the marketing (Those CARGO planes flying billboards !) NOW make the commitment.
NOT via India or SE (Ref Gayrugby reports) but either ARLANDA or HELSINKI (later might be good as also a Oneworld hub of sorts. NO disrespect to FInnair but partners are weak so can't be real hub so to speak. THIS WOULD actually strengthen it !
Finally yes i know if a forum and no one listens anyway RANT over
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5990 times:
Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 11): SQ (Try getting seat with them at a reasonable fare !) NOW.
Try getting a seat full stop!! Had to go via that dump at LHR to pick up an available SQ seat. Managed to get back direct luckily. As I am in China it would be better to get back direct from HKG, but I'll suffer the quality service on SQ for now.
CX could make a go of the flight direct with a 343 I am sure. I have used the old service several times via CDG years ago, and business was good then. But alas they are as hell bent on LHR as BA, as they can run multiple servcies with 50 Man Pax per flight, helping justify their use of such a wonderous concrete jungle.
BA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5896 times:
CX servicing MAN would be good, SQ, like Rutankrd said, charges stupid prices on the SIN route, so much so that its cheaper to get a connecting flight into LHR and fly from there.
Also, another option to Oz would be nice, SQ is expensive and EK isn't quite up to scratch. CX would be a good alternative if they priced the route right and offered it at times when connections at HKG are plentiful.
Even so, I ask myself, is MAN that valuable an Airport for CX to use it.
Would CX be able to do something like a HKG-MAN-GLA-HKG route using an A343, then killing two birds with one stone. It would be useful for them especially if MAN didn't have huge loads. (not necassarily GLA)
JonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5821 times:
I think it could work 3/4 times a week, but CX need to get a move on and get a foothold back in, before some low cost merchant nicks all the Y pax - there's enough business traffic and upmarket holidaymakers to make it happen - just get on with it!
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5621 times:
A CX 343 2 class seats 287. There must be at least that number of people wishing to go direct rather that LHR and other places. Oneworld does not see MAN as a hub I guess, but sadly Star is not too smart at MAN either. SQ have done a little by code sharing with VS and US, but then they made the dumb move to take their SIN flight down to 5 flights per week and make it impossible for many people, and a lot of frequent flyers to get a seat. I guess people will come back and tell me SQ is going back daily in October or sometime, but they will need to recover PAX going with the smart horse at EK and Qatar. Strange how these guys can add capacity and fill it, flying their connection services to HKG, PVG, PEK, Japan, South Korea etc, etc. Maybe having consistent and reliable daily service is what passengers want???
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7259 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5551 times:
Quoting Col (Reply 17): guess people will come back and tell me SQ is going back daily in October or sometime
True enough - daily non-stop i.e. available capacity ex-MAN should be increased compared to the 5 non-stop and 2 one-stop service from a year ago. SQ's biggest problem is lack of aircraft; we can look forward to 10 weekly services "should demand be there" according to one of their bigwigs.
Quoting BA787 (Reply 14): It would be useful for them especially if MAN didn't have huge loads. (not necassarily GLA)
At its peak, the CAA recorded some 145000 passengers on MAN-AMS/CDG-HKG routing - how many were routing through to HKG will probably be known to CX; they took their eye off the ball by getting codeshares on the BA shuttle services but completely forgetting about their own service at MAN.
They planned 3 weekly A340 operating HKG-SVO-MAN (flight duration for passengers going HKG to MAN being longer than routing HKG-LHR-MAN); I think they expected SVO-MAN to be busier than MAN-HKG, but with recent events, I thoink a non-stop service is what they'd want to look at.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 915 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5444 times:
Quoting Col (Reply 13): Try getting a seat full stop!! Had to go via that dump at LHR to pick up an available SQ seat. Managed to get back direct luckily
My company flies people MAN-SIN regularly but SQ is always full on it's current 5 day per week service. In fact for business travellers it can be seen as 3 working days per week. More than 50% of our companies business now goes on EK. Daily direct flights MAN-SIN cannot come soon enough!
HowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 18): They planned 3 weekly A340 operating HKG-SVO-MAN (flight duration for passengers going HKG to MAN being longer than routing HKG-LHR-MAN); I think they expected SVO-MAN to be busier than MAN-HKG, but with recent events, I think a non-stop service is what they'd want to look at.
Hmm, I see. I didn't really know there was a market in SVO for HKG, but I guess there is.
Second that. However it's rather unlikely with ZRH having transformed into a *A hub. CX codeshare with BA on the LHR run iirc, but frankly its rather inconvenient to fly to ZRH through LHR from SE Asia.
25 Rutankrd: BA787 in comment lets see has CX PAX added many extra Long Haul Services anywhere. SFO and Vancouver (frequency increeases) spring to mind BOTH have E
26 Col: It is not normal for me to route out of UK, just circumstances this time. But the whole process of trying to get to BKK via SIN out of MAN was painfu
27 MainMAN: This has been an interesting thread, although I haven't got much to add. It seems to me that there are interesting times ahead for the legacy carriers
28 Sflaflight: I think that is the biggest problem. CX are relying on LHR for backtracking connections. That is so ridiculous. What I don't get is why is CX not in
29 Col: QF getting on the ball, well that will be a first!!!
30 777way: So which Latin destination are they starting?
31 CX flyboy: RUMOURS of Mexico City for the freighters. Nothing firm at this stage.
32 Gemini573: About 6 months back on my way to CMB, I was chatting to one of the ISM and she was telling me that CX was considering adding a 5th flight to LHR. HKG-
33 CX flyboy: There may well be lots of flights between London and Hong Kong but LHR still ranks consistently as one of the highest load factors in our network. Bel
34 Gemini573: That would be fantastic; JFK-LHR!!! It definitely beats flying AA over the pond!!! I would do it in a heartbeat!!! JFK-LHR definitely has more flight
35 HanginOut: The problem here was the BMI objected to the fact that CX would be able to operate this route, while they were not allowed to do so (under the old Be
36 Col: There is plenty of room for growth out of MAN, instead of putting everyone through the most difficult transit airport in the world.
37 United Airline: Any chance for Hawaii? Why don't they make ANC a stop? They already do a techical stop to/from Toronto at ANC
38 CX flyboy: No doubt there is growth and MAN is a destination I am sure we will see on the map once again, but CX do not want to fly it non-stop. It is a guess b
39 LXA340: What was the reason they stoped flying into ZRH, also will the A346's remain in the fleet when the B773ER's arrive?
40 CX flyboy: I can't remember when CX stopped flying to ZRH and why....years ago!! As for the A346s, the official line is that they will all leave next year. Howe
41 Kaitak: I'd be surprised at that, because SAA is axing its 744s and if anything were to come CX's way, I'd expect it to be the SA 744s, since they are RR pow
42 LXA340: Well SAA is currently going through restructuring so maybe they will decrease their fleet even more.
43 David_itl: And that's a bad thing?!?! Getting passengers who are ultmately not heading for London off the London services and onto a regional service means that
44 CX flyboy: It is when you don't have any plans to decrease capacity at LHR and must use the slots or lose them.