EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
Well, I don't know if MH's service to EZE from JNB will last much longer. I sure hope so, but it is said to be a loser operation for MH.
In addition to QF, NZ is also supposed to start flying to South America in the coming years, so Oceania and South America will be very well linked in the not so distant future (I think we all expect LA to continue flying to AKL and SYD after QF launches its own flights to SCL).
With respect to CX and SQ, it would be awesome to see them in Latin America, but the geography does not help much. While SQ has ultra-long-haul planes, I think they feel they are better off relying on connections with their codeshare and alliance partners. I recall not too long ago someone in this forum speculated that SQ might be interested in GRU and MEX, but I honestly don't think we will see any move in that direction soon.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3231 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1): In addition to QF, NZ is also supposed to start flying to South America in the coming years, so Oceania and South America will be very well linked in the not so distant future (I think we all expect LA to continue flying to AKL and SYD after QF launches its own flights to SCL).
Quoting United Airline (Reply 2): SQ/CX can have extensions from places like CPH or an Australian city maybe?
The cost of the asset being away from base for such a long period of time would make it hard for a business case to stack up.
That being said, why would they want to do it in their own right.
They both have descent connections with alliance partners via North America, and perhaps by the end of next year SQ can connect on NZ via AKL, and CX on QF via SYD to South America!
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
Another problem with direct flights between Asia and South America is that you're also competing with almost all major European carriers, plus Transpacific carriers via USA/Canada From most major cities in Asia, it's shorter via Europe than via the Pacific, e.g. from SIN to GRU about 20% shorter..
Examples:
GRU-LAX-SIN: 12970 naut mi.
GRU-FRA-SIN: 10831 naut. mi.
GRU-SIN nonstop: 8644 naut. mi (Great Circle route pases south of Africa and over the Indian Ocean.)
Ryanair!!! From Singapore, joined Mar 2002, 4653 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 2): SQ/CX can have extensions from places like CPH or an Australian city maybe?
CPH?? Why would SQ or CX fly all the way to Scandinavia and the loop the aircraft back down towards the Southern Hemishpere via the Atlantic?? South America offers very little business opportunities and if passenger numbers on the MAS flights are anything to go by, it should be an indication of how bad the route is performing. By the way, MAS has the distinction of being the only carrier from SE Asian to offer a flight to South America. Prestigious, despite the bleed. But bleeding to death nevertheless...
Quoting United Airline (Reply 2): the Malaysian government wants MH to carry on. Not sure why
Simple, the route was created during Dr. M's time. His grand visions of propelling Malaysia into the 21st century has done wonders in many areas. However, some of his grand ideas still remain just that.
Post 9-11, the airline industry is now in a perpetual state of caution. No longer can airlines afford to stretch their network for the sake of prestige. Never before has the idea of code sharing and alliances been so important. Malaysia Airlines for that matter has been running too long on an idea that whatever happens, we will have back up. Several BTPs later, we have seen the new ruling government under the administration of Abdullah Badawi finally showing a strong fist when handling MAS, buck up or else...
Perhaps this time it is really working. But government ties and influences are still hard to shake off. While critics like to moan and groan about how "oh no here we go again", one must realise that MAS has run similarly since its formation in 1971 and it would take some time for the new work style to come into place.
Therefore, KUL-EZE will most likely remain for a while longer despite the under-performance of it. There is a very strong rumour that Dr. M has a ranch there which is why this route is still being kept alive despite critics questioning the existence. Although there were attempts to get SAA into some sort of code sharing alliance on the JNB-EZE sector, nothing seems to have come out of it.
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777law From Monaco, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2817 times:
I would agree that SQ really has no reason to open a direct route to South America. If you take GIG as an example, SQ can code share the following routes:
SIN-LHR-GIG code share with Virgin Atlantic
SIN-FRA-GIG code share with LH
SIN-JNB-GIG code share with SA
I imagine the pattern is largely the same for most destinations in South America. SQ can code share through Europe or South Africa without worrying about filling it's own flight(s) to South America. I don't think the demand in Asia for non-stop travel to South America is strong enough to justify the risk, especially when you have strong alliance connections with other airlines.
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ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2740 times:
Quoting Zeke (Reply 7): CX will be venturing south...stay tuned....
Hmm nice. I'm not good geographically but since CX operate AKL once daily in the Northern Summer and twice daily in the Northern Winter maybe a HKG-AKL-SA flight could work 3x weekly with a 343?? So AKL could be 10 weekly in the Northern Summer and 17 weekly in the Northern Winter
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
I think you mean JNB-GRU - again , unless I have missed something SA do not fly to GIG
I'm not entirely sure about this one. I was recently talking to a colleague who occasionally travels between SIN and GIG. They said they usually connected through JNB. The flight to GIG may involve a second connection through GRU, but it was my understanding SIN-GIG was a single connection through JNB. I'll double check this.
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MotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2760 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Quoting 777law (Reply 13): The flight to GIG may involve a second connection through GRU, but it was my understanding SIN-GIG was a single connection through JNB.
SA connect through to GIG from JNB via GRU with codeshares on (predominantly) JJ and RG flights.
It's my opinion that because of ease of connections, slots, alliances etc AKL will be a great hub between Asia and South America particularly when NZ starts flights to LatAm. oneworld passengers can already connect from HKG daily with CX to SCL with LA (daily flights by year's end) and from SIN with QF changing at SYD. When NZ starts LatAm, SQ will no doubt codeshare with them and NZ flies more than daily to HKG for Star Alliance fliers.
Any likelihood of MH and AR joining SkyTeam? There has been speculation. That would give this alliance a link in AKL and with KE.
I stand corrected - strange that it is not listed on VS website as a destination , unless it was a charter rather than a scheduled service - I notice that this photo
specifically mentions taking cruise passengers from the Queen Mary II back to the UK - there are only 4 photos in the whole database of VS a/c at GIG which , together with the abscence of any reference to GIG on VS website makes me wonder if they are an intermittent visitor rather than a scheduled operator ? Any VS insiders care to comment .... and sorry for going so far off topic .
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Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6890 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
Actually FRA-JNB-SIN at 8700nm is by far the shortest path of all and SQ already flies to JNB and their passengers can transfer to their *A partner's (SA) flight to GRU.
Actually FRA-JNB-SIN at 8700nm is by far the shortest path of all and SQ already flies to JNB and their passengers can transfer to their *A partner's (SA) flight to GRU.
Assume you mean GRU-JNB-SIN. Agree, JNB is close to the great circle route.
777law From Monaco, joined Jul 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
Quoting A350XWB (Reply 16): none of these airlines sents own metal to GIG. LH & SA are flying to GRU, VS isn't flying to Brasil.
Thanks for the correction. I should have used GRU as an example rather than GIG -- my bad.
Despite my error, I think my basic point still holds: SQ has sufficient connections through *A, VS, etc. that it doesn't need to incur the risk of flying it's own metal to South America. On this basis, I think it is unlikely that we'll see SQ in South America anytime soon.
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1873 times:
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Quoting 777law (Reply 9): SIN-LHR-GIG code share with Virgin Atlantic
I wish this become real, even only the LHR-GIG flight with VS in the near future.
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25 2travel2know: The best candidate to take over MH KUL-Southamerica service would be SQ. They could be flying SIN-CPT/DUR/MRU-GRU and SIN-CPT-EZE.. As why CPT/DUR/MR
26 United Airline: I doubt MH will suspend service to South America anytime soon since the Malaysian government doesn't want that to happen
27 Cloudyapple: Panama is one of only 24 countries that has diplomatic ties with Taiwan. This route was flown was under pure politics. It was losing money by the buc
28 2travel2know: Actually CM starting LAX was the excuse used by BR to drop PTY; because BR was supposed to codeshare w/CM on the LAX-PTY-LAX route.
29 EddieDude: I do not think the Mexican government, the U.S. government, the Mexican airlines and the U.S. airlines would be very happy to have a foreign airline
30 Airbazar: Mexico may not allow it but there would be no opposition from the US. SQ already has rights to/from the US to a 3rd country. That is probably covered
31 EddieDude: Those examples you quote in your post do not involve Mexico, and Mexico and the U.S. have a very specific bilateral which has sought to balance thing
32 2travel2know: For some odd U.S. - México route like a ONT-TLC maybe both the U.S. and México could grant SQ and CX traffic rights.. Same goes for an ANC-MEX..
33 EddieDude: I don't doubt it, but do you see CX or SQ flying to ONT? Neither do I. As for ANC, is there a market for SIN/HKG-ANC and ANC-MEX? With regards to Mex
34 2travel2know: ANC is kind of a cargo hub, so for the cargo part, there may not be a problem. Also I see Artic berries, Alaska Salmon and King Crabs being exported
35 United Airline: CX is already doing a technical stop at ANC on its way between Toronto and Hong Kong. So why not pick up and offload passengers MIND AS WELL?
36 Viscount724: Probably so few potential passengers it wouldn't be worth the expense of having check-in and baggage handling staff available. I also expect that if
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