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Aviacsa's Engine Problems?  
User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

I made a thread a few days ago stating I was about to fly in Aviacsa from Monterrey to Las Vegas (direct flight)

I needed some encouragement and you people helped a lot, however I had a few questions I felt maybe didn't have much to do with that other thread so I'll make them here.

I think there have been some incidents this year (about 4 I think?) of Aviacsa's planes having some engine trouble and having to go back and land on the airport.

That on top of other things is what is geting me quite nervous of flying them! they have really old planes, probably really close to 30 years old, thats older than me..

Now I know aviacsa has never had a serious accident but that makes me even more nervous .. i know its stupid but I am thinking .. ok so there's a first time for everything... old planes... recent engine troubles... never had an accident.??? it has to happen sooner or later.. could it be me?

I actualy wanted to see if someone here had some insight into what happened to those aviacsa planes and why I shouldnt worry too much about it. I know that if aviacsa flies into the USA that means the FAA trusts the company to fly their planes inside their country so that means the security must be great, on top of the strict mexican security standards.

I just wanted to know if anyone had any insight on why I shouldnt worry much about this... I guess what scares me the most is being on the takeoff part of the trip and just after it takes off an engine blows up or something.... if that was the case... am I officialy screwed? or can a 737-200 rely on just the other engine to fly and land?

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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3834 times:
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Based on their website, AVIACSA average fleet age is 23.2 years old in June 2006.  old  There are many airlnes that have old fleets, and great safety records. That is the risk with flying... but then again, those risks are LOW! Stop fretting, just relax, enjoy the flight and your vacation!  Big grin


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

[quote=Kuhne,reply=0]Now I know aviacsa has never had a serious accident but that makes me even more nervous [/quote?

Where did you get that idea?

Date: 10 MAY 1990
Type: Fairchild F-27J
Operating for: Aviacsa
Leased from: Noroeste
Registration: F-GHXA
C/n / msn: 101
First flight: 1963
Crew: Fatalities: 5 / Occupants: 5
Passengers: Fatalities: 16 / Occupants: 33
Total: Fatalities: 21 / Occupants: 38
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: 4,5 km (2.8 mls) of Tuxtla-Guttiérez (Mexico)
Phase: Approach
Nature: Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: ?
Destination airport: Tuxtla Gutiérrez Airport (TGZ)
Narrative:
The aircraft crashed after striking trees. The aircraft was leased from Noroeste.


Sources:
Scramble Vol.11, nr.12; Volkskrant 12.5.90


http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19900510-0


User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

i'm sorry I'm sorry. I meant the airline has never crashed under its new ownership. that was before it was based in Monterrey, Mexico!


I know it's a risk I have to take man but god.. I just feel like the plane is too old... that plane by itself I think was built in 1980


User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

check out this link

http://www.flightlevel350.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t8688.html

do a search for the word aviacsa in that forum.. theres a bunch of posts about people complaining about the airline's maintenance


User currently offlineVHNSJ From Australia, joined Jun 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

quite a few of aviasca 732's were ex air nz, so were at least well looked after untill they got them

User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Kuhne:

With all due respect, I suspect you are not really interested in overcoming your fear of flying. This is your second thread questioning Aviacsa under the façade of your perception of flying.
I tend to believe you want more to bash Aviacsa hiding your true intentions under ingenuity and fear of flying.

You have been given several reassurance about 6A, but yet, you continue to bash it. As your previous thread turned in nothing more but positive for 6A thanks to the posts of other members, you now decided to start a second thread to continue your hidden agenda.

All airlines in the world have had problems so if you dig in the history of any of them, I am sure you will find black dots.
I have no side for or against 6A, but I do hate when someone is hiding his/her true intentions. I do not believe anymore you started these two threads because of your insecurity to fly.

I am free to believe you or not, and you are free not to agree with what I posted here.

PZ



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User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 6):
This is your second thread questioning Aviacsa under the façade of your perception of flying.

It's deja vu all over again, Polo: substitute "Aeromexico" for "Aviacsa" and "MD-87" for "737" and you've got last year's thread: "Is Aeromexico a safe airline (MD-87)":

RE: Is Aeromexico A Safe Airline? (MD-87) (by Kuhne Jul 2 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Go figure...


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):
I think there have been some incidents this year (about 4 I think?) of Aviacsa's planes having some engine trouble and having to go back and land on the airport.

That on top of other things is what is geting me quite nervous of flying them! they have really old planes, probably really close to 30 years old, thats older than me..

If don't feel safe on a 30 year old 732, then fly CO or AA or any other airline that serves your home airport.

You can fly on CO MTY-LAS via IAH on an ERJ and a 738. Both new aircrafts. The downside: you stop in IAH (which is not a bad thing if you ask me....)

If you're nervous because one airline operates an old aircraft or because the average age of their fleet is 20+ years, then choose a different airline !! One that operates a newer fleet..... granted you might have to stop somewhere...

Bootm line: Don't sweat it man... enjoy your flight and don't lose any sleep over the type of aircraft.

Peace


User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 6):
With all due respect, I suspect you are not really interested in overcoming your fear of flying. This is your second thread questioning Aviacsa under the façade of your perception of flying.
I tend to believe you want more to bash Aviacsa hiding your true intentions under ingenuity and fear of flying.



Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 7):
It's deja vu all over again, Polo: substitute "Aeromexico" for "Aviacsa" and "MD-87" for "737" and you've got last year's thread: "Is Aeromexico a safe airline (MD-87)":

I tend to agree with Pzurita and José this time. Either your PANICKED about flying or you have something against Aviacsa. If you're really that afraid of Aviacsa then don't go to Vegas and stay bored at home. Or buy a ticket with American Airlines, Delta, United, whatever only to feel more "safe". ( The odds of an SA)">AA, SQ, JL, plane crashing are THE SAME as an Aviacsa one).



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User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

HI

Actually...

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 9):
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 6):
With all due respect, I suspect you are not really interested in overcoming your fear of flying. This is your second thread questioning Aviacsa under the façade of your perception of flying.
I tend to believe you want more to bash Aviacsa hiding your true intentions under ingenuity and fear of flying.



Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 7):
It's deja vu all over again, Polo: substitute "Aeromexico" for "Aviacsa" and "MD-87" for "737" and you've got last year's thread: "Is Aeromexico a safe airline (MD-87)":

I tend to agree with Pzurita and José this time. Either your PANICKED about flying or you have something against Aviacsa. If you're really that afraid of Aviacsa then don't go to Vegas and stay bored at home. Or buy a ticket with American Airlines, Delta, United, whatever only to feel more "safe". ( The odds of an SA)">AA, SQ, JL, plane crashing are THE SAME as an Aviacsa one).

I agree 100% on this three posts... Last Aviacsa thread I was pretty amazed that no comment coul releaf you... But I was thinking that you were really panicked... But a second one about just the same and every commentary you recive you come with another fear, with statistics and else... Well you seem to search for everything that makes your fear even worse... or you are bashing an entire airline for any hidden agenda...
My personal opinion. I dont tend to attack anyone, even I try to be positive but everything has its limits.
If its true that you are panicked, well, theres always another airlines or greyhound buses. If you are attacking Aviacsa, well go somewhere else.
Thanks and regards, AeroMexico777



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User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 6):
I suspect you are not really interested in overcoming your fear of flying. This is your second thread questioning Aviacsa under the façade of your perception of flying.
I tend to believe you want more to bash Aviacsa hiding your true intentions under ingenuity and fear of flying.

Well said, I know a couple of mechanics that work at Aviacsa and they have it very serious down there, they know what they're doing and are very professional at all times like it's been said in your previous thread.

I don't understand why Aviacsa takes your sleep away at night  Yeah sure



Only here for the beer...
User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

You guys get me wrong.. check the date of my previews Aeromexico saftey record... that's around this dates but last year (before actualy) cos that's whe I was invited on a trip, this year, same thing.. its my only flight after that last one I came here to talk about. I don't have a beef with aviacsa at all, I get worried around old planes thats all, aeromexico had an MD-80 and when I went to google and typed md-80 I saw all sorts of crashes and got worried so I came here for reasurance.

You guys think I hate Aviacsa.. I don't, their staff is great, I just get worried because searching around the net for positive feedback like the ones you have given me, I have also came across feedback such as this from some other forum

"I would be worried.

Aviacsa has one of the worst saftey record of airlines worldwide. And are reknowned for their poor matainance. Dont be suprised either if you have a major delay. I would never get on the plance, thats for sure.

They are banned in the EU, and dont trust the FAA they will let any airline in, while the EU is far stricter with saftey. The FAA are quite strict with US carriers but not foreign ones.

While I'm not saying they are awfully dangerous, and there is a high chance of a crash. However they are knowhere near as safe as an American airline. My advice is be worried, and if you can afford it fly with someone else.

Good Luck, Robert "


I was doing better until I read that... I don't know what that guy is talking about, how can aviacsa have a bad saftey record if it hasn't had any crashes recently (for a long time) I don't get that guy, maybe HE has a beef with aviacsa but I am worried...

you guys might get pissed off for me bashing an MD-80 or a 737-200 but I don't know what you know about planes, all I know is the


User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 11):
Well said, I know a couple of mechanics that work at Aviacsa and they have it very serious down there, they know what they're doing and are very professional at all times like it's been said in your previous thread.

I don't understand why Aviacsa takes your sleep away at night

I wish I knew man (ojala supiera cabron! al chile no hago esto por ogt, la neta si me pongo nervioso pero estos gringos no entienden y se cagan por todo)

You are from MTY I can see so you probably know aviacsa a lot... could you be more specific on whats up with those engine problems they have had? if you look at my previews post.. that guy who I posted about in my previews post.. he seems to be pretty sure aviacsa is crap.. he worries me


User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Reply 13):
I can see so you probably know aviacsa a lot...

Negative,

Quoting Kuhne (Reply 13):
la neta si me pongo nervioso

Pues abrochate bien el cinto y hechate un rosario,

Quoting Kuhne (Reply 13):
could you be more specific on whats up with those engine problems they have had?

I already told you what I know...

Quoting Kuhne (Reply 13):
he seems to be pretty sure aviacsa is crap.. he worries me

Why even bother??



Only here for the beer...
User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

I just want to say whether it's a new plane or old plane engine problems always happen. Kuhne you are lucky LAS is not near water where wildlife lives like Birds. I was on a bird strike plane from OAK-JFK in May '05. The plane we were one still smelled like new it was only a 1yr old plane. B6 has had a couple of bird strike incidents, also that wheel problem back at LAX a while back. But there are things that happen, you should not be freaked out about these things.

The FAA has not said anything about B6. I will tell you this from experience when I have flown on a Mexican plane the landings and take offs are very smooth. On my flights on WN, UA, B6, AS & DL I have had very rough landings. I don't want to start any bias or anything but on MX, ZE & AM flights in which I have flown a dozen the landings and take offs are great! Also I don't know what it is about the training, but Mexican pilots seem to handle turbulence a lot better. My last flight from Tokyo-Narita to Tijuana on an AM 777 was the best flight I have flown on. And on the TIJ runway which is a bit less than 10K feet, the landing was so smooth for such a big aircraft!

There was also a nice Aviacsa 737-700 parked 2 planes down at TIJ and it looked very nice and the crew was getting it ready for it's new destination.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5211 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting Kuhne (Thread starter):
I just wanted to know if anyone had any insight on why I shouldnt worry much about this... I guess what scares me the most is being on the takeoff part of the trip and just after it takes off an engine blows up or something.... if that was the case... am I officialy screwed? or can a 737-200 rely on just the other engine to fly and land?

Yes if an engine blows you are 50% screwed, if two blow at the same time you're 100% screwed!!!! You answered your own Q dude!!!!!!!!

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 7):
It's deja vu all over again, Polo: substitute "Aeromexico" for "Aviacsa" and "MD-87" for "737" and you've got last year's thread: "Is Aeromexico a safe airline (MD-87)":

Polo Polo, i think you should invite your friend over to your trips over 3000ft mountains or take him to any nice isolated place you could possible know near MTY and flying VIVA.... so we can go all over again with another thread which correctly Capt JoseMEX has pointed out... another deja vu.


Kuhne, who ever paid the tickets, tell him/her you don't want to fly a 20+ year old frame, see if there's a refund for you and your girl and take a flight with a safe and reliable airline, as AM/MD80-B737s MX/A320 or who ever you fly as this or American carriers are your only chances to take you to LAS, i think you should seriously better see and consider if there's any rich mexican taking delivery tomorrow or the following days of a nice bizjet, get your bags, jump in and get a ride to LAS, so that way, you'll be able to fly a 1 day old plane... problem will be your return.... which you could do the same thing.... or either... get a bus ride.. that might be an option too.

Now, if AM or 6A is not your problem and your problem is FLYING... you're posting in the wrong forum!!!!!

g77



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User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

come on guys. i know you are probably sick of me i can tell already. u guys went from suportive to clowning with me. i cant change airline. i just want to know if you guys know anything about why these engines problems happen thats all. yes i am a bit afraid of flying and just wanted some reasurance because its a really old plane thats all. sorry if i bothered you.

that comment about flying with no birds on the air. i apreciate that. thanks man


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3439 times:
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Quoting Kuhne (Reply 17):
just wanted some reasurance because its a really old plane thats all.

I was the first one to post!!:

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 1):
There are many airlnes that have old fleets, and great safety records. That is the risk with flying... but then again, those risks are LOW! Stop fretting, just relax, enjoy the flight and your vacation!



Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 18):
There are many airlnes that have old fleets, and great safety records. That is the risk with flying... but then again, those risks are LOW! Stop fretting, just relax, enjoy the flight and your vacation!

sorry man, believe me when I saw that post I did feel better, I just feel between a sword and the wall.. I've been flying with aviacsa since I was a kid and I have never had any problems, the last aviacsa flight I flew was around 2 years ago. i've flown several times since then (continental, aeromexico, japan airlines, british airways) but never aviacsa... now I am going to fly aviacsa again, on 2007... when I am 27 years old... and the planes are still the same ones as they were when I was a kid.. thats what goten me nervous. Its people like you that tell me that the 737-200 of aviacsa are safe and makes me feel better, believe me... but I hate going online and reading stuff like what I posted.. that guy who was saying aviacsa had a horrible saftey record and was banned from EU ? he is probably lying... or I dont know.. how can aviacsa be banned from europe, its never flown or will fly there.


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3401 times:
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Quoting Kuhne (Reply 19):
how can aviacsa be banned from europe, its never flown or will fly there.

The EU does not list Aviacsa on its list. See for yourself: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/pdf/list_en.pdf

I have flown on my share of old clunkers, and I have come out unscathed. You will too my friend. No worries.

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Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

wow cool pics, I like the new paint scheme! a lot actualy, did they paint all the planes already?

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Khune

Your are one nervous flyer my friend. A good way to overcome the fear of flying, is to rent a C172 for an hour or so. Let the pilot do the take-off and landing, but try to manipulate the controls during flight. After the flight, most of your fears will be gone


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3384 times:
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I have no clue. The plane is landing at LAS.  Confused


Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineKuhne From Mexico, joined Jun 2006, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

right, it takes off from Monterrey and lands in Las vegas Mcarran airport.

Juventus, thanks for your help man.. I would probably crap my pants in that flight..


25 Oakjam : I know this is off subject but I wonder what an Aviacsa plane would look like in an A320? Anyone know of a web plane simulator online?
26 Xaapb : They are machines, and they can failed any time!! They can failed on a new 777 or in 20 year old 737!! So the besst think you can do is have positive
27 KLM685 : SO WTF dude?! Planes are built to last 30+ years. They're not like cars AND even if you take optimum care of a care it last the same amount of years.
28 Zeke : I hope I can reassure you a little... Firstly, yes a 737-200 can "rely on just the other engine to fly and land?", it is a certified modern airliner,
29 MD80fanatic : I prefer old planes myself. I mean.....how do you think they get to be old in the first place? By not crashing, of course.
30 Kuhne : I didn't know that.. I am not sure about Aviacsa, maybe KLM will be able to help out but I think they own their own "workshop" it's called turbotec o
31 Kuhne : I got this msg... whats up with this, is any of this true? ----- Yes but if they ever could fly to Europe with long- haul aircraft they couldnt, becau
32 Post contains links JoseMEX : Te chorearon: I have no idea about ICAO's rating, but AVIACSA is certainly not on the EU's blacklist as you can see here: http://ec.europa.eu/transpo
33 Kuhne : No I swear this is actualy serious, now I am curious to know, this guy also said aviacsa had an ICAO rating of 1/32 I have no idea what that means, ju
34 KLM685 : Certainly we would all LOVE to know about his sourcer. It would be nice if you ask him to give you some links or something to where we can read that
35 Kuhne : KLM I asked him for a source because what he is saying sounds fishy.. I mean what the hell is 1/32? I think he was only trying to get me nervous in th
36 KLM685 : Yes please, a lot of us would definately love to see that information as IT DOES sound tricky. In the first place, any airline banned from the EU pro
38 Kuhne : Thanks my friend, he did reply me but still without a source. This is what he said when I asked him for a source and to give me some info on why he s
39 Post contains links Kuhne : You might find this interesting man, I saw this video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfjOj07hsQ its basicaly a bunch of aviacsa mechanics
40 KLM685 : No offense, but I think your friend has BIG BIG BIG ISSUES. 1. Every aviation enthusiast would love to try Air Zimbabwe. 2. If Aviacsa is not a safe
41 Kuhne : balls or not I'm gona fly anyways so that kind of goes out the window, I guess it's more important to just say... whatever stop worrying. I just wante
42 Post contains links Ghost77 : And you again knowing nothing about aviation. Its very normal... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsAKO7NGr_c And here a few runs of myself with pictur
43 Rojo : Wow, I didn't want to open this topic because I knew it would be a waste of time, but it actually made me laugh and remember my flights MEX-LAS-MTY-ME
44 Kuhne : DUDE, Rojo, your story is actualy hillarious and the fact that you like aviacsa makes me feel safe so thanks but.... the fact that the captain's reply
45 Kuhne : That video and those pics "kinda" look like a lot of fun
46 Kuhne : thanks guys, I arrived back home yesterday, I had very limited internet access in vegas and it was dial up (bad dial up) so I couldnt really get on th
47 MTYFREAK : Congrats, after all that whining you didn't crap your pants!! You see! I told you nothing was going to happen, any engine problems at all??
48 Kuhne : thankfully no.. the only problem was that 6 of our bags didnt make it here to monterrey.. they are coming on todays flight
49 Ghost77 : No problem at all then...!! All airlines lost bags. g77
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