AlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 6): It will probably revert back to 38 due to suprose suprise the number of pax complaining about WTP disembarking if front of them.
BA crew warned BA management about this issue months before the embodiement was due to start... and yet it still went ahead despite our concerned... If BA reverts on this issue, it will be a good lesson for management: listen to your front line staff!!! If that happens, it will also be an expensive mistake (aircraft will have to be taken out of service etc.)
Hotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 459 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 6): Have just operated mid j config and the engineers have said this config will no longer be fitted to remainder 747.
It will probably revert back to 38 due to suprose suprise the number of pax complaining about WTP disembarking if front of them.
That was last months Galley FM rumour and utterly untrue. Theres only 16 extra pax in B zone than there used to be its hardly life or death to most business pax. Most of whom prefer the upper deck anyway even though that delays their disembarkation whatever config the aircraft is in.
Hotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 459 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
Config is 14/52/36/236 I think total of 338. I believe they are around half way through the lo-mid j conversion, the terminal 1 routes and MIA seem pretty well covered and BKK/SYD. Theres very few Hi J's left to do havent flown one for several months.
Of todays low/mid j departures 9 are mid J and 11 arent. 2 at CWL at the moment.
UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 8): Theres only 16 extra pax in B zone than there used to be its hardly life or death to most business pax
Even BA could've done better I don't think the issue is that big to invest much more money than what they already have to switch the cabins, having 16 people disembarking in front of me won't make me go with another airline, I like BA service too much to try others because of something as meaningless as this.......
Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 8): Most of whom prefer the upper deck anyway even though that delays their disembarkation whatever config the aircraft is in.
I'd sit in the upper deck even if it's disembarked last.......that's why I'm the UPPERDECKFAN!!!
Having flown on the 777 many times, why is the seating map so out of touch?
The Club layout used out of Gatwick does not resemble the seating map at all, the numbering is so wrong.
you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
GBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 14): Having flown on the 777 many times, why is the seating map so out of touch?
The Club layout used out of Gatwick does not resemble the seating map at all, the numbering is so wrong.
There are several variants of the 777 off the top of my head - the 17F variant, 14F with (IIRC) no 4K due to crew rest, 14F with full F available, 3-class (no F) at LHR for long range with the 4JK area as crew rest, 3-class at LGW with no CW seats blocked for rest...plus no doubt some other subtle variants! Seatmaps to cover them all would be a nightmare and probably confuse people more than now - IMHO BA should just give up on the 777 seat maps and direct people to 'check the seatmap for your cabin in Manage My Booking' (or at OLCI for those who can't assign).
I must say, I can't see BA admitting that they got it wrong in terms of the new Mid-J positionning of Club World. It allows BA to have an non-negligable increase in premium traffic without buying new aircraft.
BAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1009 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
BA knew from the start that mid-J would have its drawbacks - namely dis-embarkation before Club. They admitted this, and there was no 'suprise' when the aircraft came online.
Fact is, it was the most econmical use of space that one the day. Converting all the Low-J to High J would mean too many J class seats. Every other configuration option was considered, including moving FIRST to upper deck, moving WT+ to upper deck etc etc. But the configuration that offered the best use of available space was the current design.
It's not perfect, but it is incredible how fast people adapt. Remember when the rearward facing CLUB seat was first announced years ago? The furore that no-one would be interested in flying in a seat facing rearwards.......?
I must say, I can't see BA admitting that they got it wrong in terms of the new Mid-J positionning of Club World. It allows BA to have an non-negligable increase in premium traffic without buying new aircraft.
BAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 14): Having flown on the 777 many times, why is the seating map so out of touch?
The Club layout used out of Gatwick does not resemble the seating map at all, the numbering is so wrong.
Just got back from TPA Asked the crew and they confirmed they only use only 2 777 configs ex LGW they are:
0F/40J/24W/216Y - a/c reg G-VIIO/P/R and there is 1 more. a/c have no crew rest area. They use seats in the cabin instead
14F/48J/40W/122Y - a/c reg G-VIIA-N And G-VIIS-Y These a/c are rotated with LHR as required
The Other Configs you will see ex LHR are
17F/48J/24W/127Y - a/c reg G-ZZZA-C
13F/48J/32W/127Y - a/c reg G-YMMG-P
0F/36J/24W/212Y - a/c reg G-YMMA-F a/c has less J and Y seats as LGW 3 class a/c due to space taken for crew rest areas
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6679 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 1790 times:
Quoting AlanUK (Reply 16): It allows BA to have an non-negligable increase in premium traffic without buying new aircraft.
The conversion of the 'Lo J' fleet to 'Mid J' configuration increases BA's total number of Club World seats by 8 per cent. As you say this is far from 'non-negligible' and illustrates the BA strategy of focusing on premium class traffic and not total passengers carried.
Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 20): 0F/40J/24W/216Y - a/c reg G-VIIO/P/R and there is 1 more
The fourth aircraft with the high density configuration is G-VIIT.
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