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Breaking: Brasilia Loses All HR And Enroute Radar  
User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11505 times:

Hi Guys,

Just in from ACARS:

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: .N68159 [B767 COA]
Message label: RA Block id: H Msg. no: QUFC
Flight id: FDVCO.
Message content:-
1DISP TO 0051/20
AMZ FIR/BRAZILIA HAS LOST ALL HR AND ENROUTE
RADAR. THEY NOT ACCEPTING FLTS. NEED TO HAVE
YOU RETURN TO IAH.
THANKS JP/DISP

-------------------------------------[20/07/2007 23:14]

I have been told by a Brazilian friend that they have lost all communcation frequencies and are un-operational at this time, so it seems its a technical problem. That was CO51 IAH-EZE which should be close to Costa Rica's Atlantic coast right now. Hope this does not cause a lot of chaos since these hours is when most of the US/Canada flights arrive into Brazil/Argentina/Bolivia, etc.

Regards,
Tomas.

[Edited 2007-07-21 07:36:01]

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User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11429 times:

Youre right Tom, everyone is turning back to US gateways or diverting short. Gonna be a big mess!

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11383 times:

All flights originating in North America returning according to flightaware. . . AC, UA, DL, CO, you name it. . .

[Edited 2007-07-21 08:20:24]


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineEMB195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11378 times:

Boy, it never ends! At least that's what it feels like right now. Sad to see your home country in this situation.  worried 

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11363 times:

Quoting EMB195 (Reply 3):

Outrage. . . .? I don't know what to call it. . .

[Edited 2007-07-21 08:06:57]


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11354 times:

UA Flight 843 (ORD-GRU) is diverting to MCO. UA 861 is flying back to IAD, per flightaware. AA 951 looks like is heading back to JFK. AA 995 and 929 (MIA-GRU) heading back as well. Haven't checked other flights, but what a mess.


Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11354 times:
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How many planes/flights are we talking about here?


Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineEMB195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11314 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
Outrage. . . .? I don't know what to call it. . .

All I have to say is: we better start seeing some big changes in Brazilian aviation, and soon!!! I really don't want to come in here and see another post like the one for flight JJ 3054. Two major tragedies in ten months! Unbelievable...


User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11301 times:




Here is 1 diversion.

[Edited 2007-07-21 08:26:06]

User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11273 times:

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And anorther divert.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

Is this affecting only North America to Brazil flights or could this even affect flights e.g. from EZE, SCL, or Europe?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11237 times:
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It's a shame...

Also all flights Brazil-US return to GIG and GRU....

Will be a crazy weekend ! At least this time i'm not in the middle of the nightmare as i postpone a business trip to Rio de Janeiro.
Brazil does not count with a contingency system (but even the main system doesn't seems to work properly)


Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11237 times:
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Does anyone know how many planes/flights are affected?  Confused


Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

UA 847 IAD-EZE also heading back to IAD, so it's not only flights headed to and from Brazil.


Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

All planes going through Brazil's airspace have to go back too correct? CO 51 is going to Argentina, so I guess so?

Here is what I have found as of now.

DL 105 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...5/history/20070721/0128Z/KATL/KATL ATL-GRU Back to ATL
DL 121 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...1/history/20070721/0214Z/KJFK/KJFK JFK-GRU To SJU
DL 61 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...1/history/20070721/0147Z/KATL/KATL ATL-GIG Back to ATL

UA 843 CO" target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...3/history/20070721/0248Z/KORD/KMCO ORD-GRU To MCO
UA 861 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20070721/0244Z/KIAD/KIAD IAD-GRU Back to IAD

AA 951 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20070721/0403Z/KJFK/KJFK JFK-GRU Back to JFK
AA 995 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20070721/0356Z/KMIA/KMIA MIA-GRU Back to MIA
AA 929 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...9/history/20070721/0216Z/KMIA/KMIA MIA-GRU Back to MIA
AA 905 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20070721/0419Z/KMIA/KMIA MIA-GIG Back to MIA

CO 31 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...1/history/20070721/0327Z/KEWR/KEWR EWR-GRU Back to EWR

[Edited 2007-07-21 08:40:34]

User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

And Air Canada too:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA90


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

I'm listening to GRU tower and I think I just heard Aeromexico. .

[Edited 2007-07-21 08:43:13]


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User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

Quoting Hoya (Reply 13):
UA 847 IAD-EZE also heading back to IAD, so it's not only flights headed to and from Brazil.

Looks like everyone that's flying to/from Brazil or has even a portion of their route over the affected area is turning around. My buddy lives in Toronto; his sister is on AC 90 tonight running YYZ-GRU, looks like he's going to see her again sooner than expected.



If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11126 times:
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Ohhh, this is going to snarl air traffic....  gnasher 


Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11111 times:

This diversion looks odd, says back to IAD when you can clearly seeing its headed towards MCO/TPA:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1882/ual861sv6.png

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 14):
CO 51 is going to Argentina, so I guess so?

Right, they are headed back to IAH according to the message above, this would also affect Bolivia, Uruguay, Paraguay and maybe Chile, but not completely sure about Chile since I think some flights avoid Brazilian airspace.

I guess also this means that domestic flights, as well as European and the rest of the flights have to be diverted. Hope this gets fixed promptly and that it goes without any dramatic event.

Tomas.

[Edited 2007-07-21 08:48:24]

User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19):
This diversion looks odd, says back to IAD when you can clearly seeing its headed towards MCO/TPA

Since that image, it has now hugged the coast and is surely heading north.



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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11029 times:
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Quoting Acey (Reply 20):
Since that image, it has now hugged the coast and is surely heading north.

What are they doing? Flying VFR?  scratchchin 



Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineTomascubero From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2005, 525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

Quoting Acey (Reply 20):
Since that image, it has now hugged the coast and is surely heading north.

Quite indeed:



Guess back to IAD as programmed now.

Tomas.


User currently onlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10985 times:

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 21):
What are they doing? Flying VFR?

I'm not sure why it came back to the coast, but it's definitely IAD-bound.



If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10985 times:
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Forgive me for sounding ignorant, but why wouldn't they just straight shoot it to IAD? Why are they "Hugging the coast?"


Heja Sverige!!
25 Longhornmaniac : Fuel burn, perhaps? I'm sure they're way too heavy to land right now. But that raises the question, why not just fly direct IAD, and get in a holding
26 PPVRA : To me it looks like UA 861 is avoiding weather. .
27 Post contains images HowSwedeitis : Ah! That does seem plausible... It's not really an emergency, and they were scheduled to fly for a certain amount of time anyway, so yea, that's prob
28 HowSwedeitis : Weather/Fuel. That makes sence.[Edited 2007-07-21 09:11:13]
29 Acey : But alas, as everyone else turns around AC 90 bound for GRU is still going and is now over Puerto Rico. Flightaware will lose track soon, so we'll ha
30 Post contains links and images Robffm2 : Flights from Europe don't seem to be affected. I checked LH and BA and both seem to be on their way to GRU, even though delayed. Also Infraero (click
31 Post contains links Tomascubero : I think it might be solved, since AA995 is scheduled to depart to GRU at 0500 local: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL995 As well as DAL121 from
32 Viasa : Great, they have still Swissair arround there...
33 Aacun : We were one of the lucky ones, we left Rio around 900pm on AA904 last night, just got to Miami, but my collegues on AA2980 actually returned to Rio an
34 Ahlfors : Looks like AC just kept on going and they got the problem fixed before they got to Brazil. Maybe they planned on diverting in CCS or somewhere in case
35 LTBEWR : Saturday news reports here in the USA said the radar shutdown lasted about 2 hours. The situation as to airlines, airports, ATC in Brazil is becoming
36 MeridianBUF : So the Delta flight from Atlanta on Friday 20th July at night never arrived in GRU? There seems to be conflicting information on some websites.
37 Cloudyapple : We ATC call this an outage.
38 PPVRA : Problem was solved within two hours. Electrical outage at MAO, not BSB. Many planes landed midway and then continued their flights.
39 Post contains images Philzh : How cruel of you to point it out, too.
40 Post contains images SandroZRH : And they're not the only ones, even flightaware still has swissair
41 QXatFAT : So then MAO is the airport that "caused" the diversions then instead of BSB? Very unusual thing I would guess. Boy do I hope that things make a chang
42 LTU932 : It makes sense if Manaus FIR covers a great part of Brazil's northern airspace. MAO is also the place where shorter ranged aircraft often perform en
43 PPVRA : I'd should have said Manaus ATC Center (CINDACTA-4) that controls traffic in the Northern/Amazonian region, not the airport itself. My bad.
44 QXatFAT : That would make more sense. Thanks a lot PPVRA! So then was this power outage or was it someone hit something they shouldnt have? Yes, that would inc
45 SCXmechanic : Any idea why DL 104 diverted while flying GRU-ATL? I can now understand why DL 61 dropped into SJU while enroute ATL-GIG.[Edited 2007-07-21 20:59:28]
46 Hardiwv : Two AA flights landed in MAO and only departed early in the morning... Rgs,
47 PPVRA : Power apparently. Because it flies right over MAO. Many flights didn't return all the way to their origin. The two AA flights at MAO you cited are ex
48 FlyDreamliner : This is terrible. I don't think any country with an economy of consequence has a more messed up aviation system anywhere on earth. As much flak as Ind
49 SCXmechanic : DL 104 was already out of Brazillian airspace and heading North so why would they divert to SJU based on the fact that it flys right over MAO? Was it
50 PPVRA : Oh gotch ya. Yeah I don't know, makes no sense.
51 GeorgeBush : Excuse my ignorance, but I dont understand the problem all these countries are having? Is it one airport's communication thats down? Or what exactly i
52 AACUN : Anybody got any pics of these airplanes at their deviation station.???????. AA 777 landed in KIN, so did the VVI-MIA 757.... Also there were the alrea
53 LTU932 : If they still operate one of their MIA flights with a premium configured A320, yes. But I believe there are other aircraft that may also do fuelstops
54 WorldTraveler : DL has 2 extra sections from GIG to ATL in addition to their while this problem needs to be addressed, Brazil isn't the only place that has had power
55 Post contains links and images LipeGIG : American in MAO, thanks to my friend Fred from Contato Radar team. First of all we put mostly flights on a single city. At a given time, ATC staff rea
56 Mandala499 : Eastern Seaboard traffic congestion maybe? So have they solved the outage? Or is ATS back on radio but not on radar? Mandala499
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