Cha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 763 posts, RR: 7 Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3807 times:
Hello All,
I took-off from LGA 2 mornings ago and as I was looking around, it seemed that the largest plane on the ground at the time was a 757. I've flown DL's 762 there from ATL (Spirit of Delta, lucky for me) when they flew there. So the question is, will any/all variants of the 787 be able to operate from LGA, DCA, or similar airports? Thanks.
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DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
Neither 787 variant will be allowed into DCA, mainly due to weight, and in the case of the 788 and 789, wingspan. Almost the same for LGA, though the 783 should be within the weight limits at LGA, and wingspan-wise, it would fit into gates currently used by the 764. That said, I doubt we will see any 783 being operated into LGA.
Boeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3521 times:
I do not think that 787 will ever come to DCA due to limit length of urnway. It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway. I used to live in DCA so basically I used DCA on my trip to IND. Pilots will always use full power when taking off. It was so faster.
Boeing 787 will be able to do the BWI and IAD due to long runway so that 787 will be able to stop at good lenght. So DCA is out of question for 787 to fly into DCA
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1314 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
After 9/11 there was a rule about the maximum number of seats for flights into DCA. I don't know the exact number but I think it was in the range of 150ish. I don't know if this rule still exists, but if it does, it would definitely end the chances of the 787 at DCA.
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IADCA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 972 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3): After 9/11 there was a rule about the maximum number of seats for flights into DCA. I don't know the exact number but I think it was in the range of 150ish. I don't know if this rule still exists, but if it does, it would definitely end the chances of the 787 at DCA.
If any such rule still exists, it's gotta be at least 175 or so, as several airlines bring 752s in. I've never heard of such a rule, but it wouldn't be surprising. Most flights on large planes are naturally limited because of runway length and the perimeter rules anyway though.
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2): It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway.
The 757s seem to have less trouble with the short runway taking off than the really loaded 738s and MadDogs, from what I've seen and flown on.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3404 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2): It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway.
757's operate daily out of SNA, the whole way to ORD. SNA's runway is significantly shorter than DCA's, and with DCA's perimeter rule the SNA-ORD flights would loaded at least as much as your average DCA jaunt. The 757 is WELL known as being a rocket ship, DCA is the kind of airport they excel at.
Boeing743 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3345 times:
I would flying out of DCA aboard 757 on DL and US. If I remember correctly, the pilot would have engines on full power before taking off. I think it is very powerful and fast because next thing we know we were in air. I felt like we were on runway for short time before taking off. I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4240 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3321 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7): I would flying out of DCA aboard 757 on DL and US. If I remember correctly, the pilot would have engines on full power before taking off. I think it is very powerful and fast because next thing we know we were in air. I felt like we were on runway for short time before taking off. I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.
Seems inconsistent with...
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2): It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3182 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7): I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.
It's called flex takeoff. You don't floor your car every time you start from a stop sign do you, so why use all the available power from your jet engines if you don't have to on a long runway?
Dkf747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3164 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2): I do not think that 787 will ever come to DCA due to limit length of urnway. It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway. I used to live in DCA so basically I used DCA on my trip to IND. Pilots will always use full power when taking off. It was so faster.
Boeing 787 will be able to do the BWI and IAD due to long runway so that 787 will be able to stop at good lenght. So DCA is out of question for 787 to fly into DCA
The planes do not use full power on takeoff from DCA.
Also, I remember when a diverted DC-10 landed at DCA a few years ago. That had to use full power and practically remove all the weight to get out of there. I would think it is possible for a future 787, but no one knows yet if it can.
SkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 3099 times:
IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile. I'm not sure why they discontinued them (economic or restrictions). I believe the 757 is as big as DCA will ever see now.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6468 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
Quoting Dkf747 (Reply 10): a diverted DC-10 landed at DCA a few years ago. That had to use full power and practically remove all the weight to get out of there.
UA scheduled DC-10s to California off Kona's 6500-ft runway for a couple years.
Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 11): IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile.
N710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2728 times:
The 787 could easily do LGA, the formula for LGA besides runway length for what can and cannot has nothing to do with "size" though gate does play into it at LGA. The actual reason some airplanes cannot go into LGA though size and runway may not be an issue is the weight supported on each bogey of the gear when you divide it up. LGA has a good chunk of runway built on peirs and they have certain weight peramiters that have to be followed or you might go swimming next time you touch down on 22.
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YULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 2669 times:
Quoting N710PS (Reply 14): The 787 could easily do LGA, the formula for LGA besides runway length for what can and cannot has nothing to do with "size" though gate does play into it at LGA. The actual reason some airplanes cannot go into LGA though size and runway may not be an issue is the weight supported on each bogey of the gear when you divide it up. LGA has a good chunk of runway built on peirs and they have certain weight peramiters that have to be followed or you might go swimming next time you touch down on 22.
LGA use to handle L-1011 from DL and eastern so no problems for 787
N710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 2657 times:
I would also like to note a little known fact tghat the 777-200 was designed with LGA operations in mind as well whjich is the reason they offered the folding wing tips as well.
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SkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 2630 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 12): Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 11):
IIRC, Eastern used the A300 on Shuttle flights to DCA for awhile.
Bet you can't find a timetable showing that.
Lets put it this way, I've seen photos of it at DCA. EA's timetables normally did not mention a/c type used on the Shuttle other than in the early 70's when it mentioned an Electra used on one DCA-LGA-DCA r/t.
The pics I saw may have been substitutions or whatever, but it was flown in there from time to time. I stand corrected if it was not scheduled.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2402 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 2607 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7): I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9): It's called flex takeoff. You don't floor your car every time you start from a stop sign do you, so why use all the available power from your jet engines if you don't have to on a long runway?
Right, but you also have to consider that LAS and DEN are at altitude. Traffic is also a factor; crews may be instructed to "expedite" their departure if an inbound is breathing down their neck.
I'd love to see a 783 at DCA but would think that a domestic carrier with the intent to use the 783 out of DCA would actually use it. DCA isn't a "hub" or "focus city" for much of anyone; IMO, it'd be pretty silly to use an aircraft of that size and capability at an airport that's driven more on a demand for frequency than capacity. Most of the flights originate east of the Mississippi, save for some to.from IAH, DFW, DEN and MSY (I think). RJs rule the land on the Anacostia.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6): Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 2):It was very challenge for 757 to operate at DCA. They would had to use full power for taking off and reduce a great of power before landing so that plane able to stop before arrived at end of runway.
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757's operate daily out of SNA, the whole way to ORD. SNA's runway is significantly shorter than DCA's, and with DCA's perimeter rule the SNA-ORD flights would loaded at least as much as your average DCA jaunt. The 757 is WELL known as being a rocket ship, DCA is the kind of airport they excel at.
Challenge for the 757 to operate at DCA? I've sat in the RCC many an hour watching the UA and NW 752's use far less runway than other aircraft.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
Quoting Boeing743 (Reply 7): I experienced taking off on 757 at DEN, LAS and DTW, they use good lenght before finally taking off compared to DCA.
I was on US 5 back on 13 April 2000 from MCO-PIT, and I seem to remember that 752 using more runway as well... Awesome aircraft BTW!!!
I do have to say, I don't think the 787 will land at LGA or DCA. For one thing, isn't US the only airline with a focus city in DCA, or am I wrong about that? US is still pushing for the A350, not the 787...
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ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2531 times:
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3): After 9/11 there was a rule about the maximum number of seats for flights into DCA. I don't know the exact number but I think it was in the range of 150ish
Quoting IADCA (Reply 4): it's gotta be at least 175 or so,
TZ's 752s have 200 seats, had 218 (I think) prior to that, so bump the number up a bit more. TZ seldom uses 757s at DCA anymore, but did post 9/11.
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25 777fan: I'm not sure what the criteria are, but I'd say so (from FlyteComm). I can just see a US 783 climbing out of DCA and gracefully banking over the oute
26 IADCA: That's because of the 1250-mile perimeter rule, not the market demand. IAH and DFW are within that perimeter, as are MCI, OMA, STL, BTR, and MSY. DEN
27 Timz: I think I have too-- they were trying it, hoping for approval to use it on scheduled flights-- which I'm pretty sure they never got. Like he said, EA
28 N710PS: The A-300 was indeed an approved plane at LGA as was the DC-10 the L1011 and currently all models of 767.
30 VC10BOAC: On memorable flight was very early one cold windy morning on a half-full NW 757 taking off from BWI. There was a significant headwind. We lifted off
31 DualQual: We de-rate in the 737 at DCA with no problems and the 737 is a pig compared to the 757. The 757 does just fine at DCA.
32 ADent: Are you sure those were Kona to LAX/SFO non-stop? Most of those type of Hawaii routes involved a stop somewhere else on the way back (typically HNL)
33 Timz: You remember UA 40, the KOA-SFO nonstop was UA's last scheduled DC-8-71 flight, in 1991. DC-10s took over; the flight remained nonstop. The runway wa
34 Cha747: Thanks all of you for your answers. I posted this in response to this thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/346490
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I've sat in the RCC many an hour watching the UA and NW 752's use far less runway than other aircraft.
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