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Travolta Files Suit To Land His 707  
User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15272 times:

John Travolta has filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the operators of the airport adjacent to his home lied to the FAA to prevent him from flying his 707 in and out. Travolta claims the airport operator falsely told the FAA the runway was not safe for a plane the size of the 707....

http://www.ocala.com/article/20070721/NEWS/207210343/1025/NEWS

He filed another suit in state court recently against the airport operator and the developers of Jumbolair where he lives....

http://www.ocala.com/article/2007071.../207160325&SearchID=73287834247826

I've seen his 707 parked at OCF quite a few times lately... I guess he doesn't like having to drive home from the airport...

Actually, Greystone Airport where he lives has been the subject of several lawsuits over the last twenty years....


The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14941 times:

Sounds like Travolta is going to end up owning an airport. He has a very strong case and the lawyers to push it. I seriously doubt he will walk away from this. The fact that he was given permission to use the airport and that he bought the land and built the house because of it only 6 years ago, and now the runway is "Unsafe" is not going to go down well.

It is interesting that he is suing in both state and federal courts. The latter suit could force the FAA to award the airport license to the new owner of the runway and property.

Also interesting is that one article noted that the runway is only 2 inches thick, which wouldn't survive even one landing of a 707 so I am looking forward to what the "inspection" shows. It sounds like a bunch of "good-old" boys got into a fight and made the very bad mistake of involving someone with a lot of money and a room full of lawyers. I am sure JT does not have "legal beagles" in his employ, but "legal pitbulls".

Note to MaidensGator -- please post any updates. After all, a man's hangar is his home, at least in this case. [yes]


User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14858 times:

Looks like the last time he has been out of Greystone (Jumbolair) was back in January.
Wonder if Ocala (KOCF) is charging him landing fees?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N707JT/history


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14815 times:

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 2):
Looks like the last time he has been out of Greystone (Jumbolair) was back in January.
Wonder if Ocala (KOCF) is charging him landing fees?

I suspect he can afford it. More than likely they charge the tourists to look at it. "Yessir, Ladies and Gentlemen! This way to the John Travolta 707! Only $5, with children under ten free! Right this way!"

And if he has not been able to use Greystone for 7 months, as you suggest, I would guess he is really, really p#ssed.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3655 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14344 times:
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From the second article in the OP.

Quote:
Garemore originally built the main runway in the early 1980s to accommodate 707s owned by Arthur Jones...



Quote:
Garemore said the runway is unfit for large planes. "The bottom line of this whole thing is, it's a safety issue. The runway is not designed for a 707," he said.

How can the Garemores say the runway wasn't designed for 707s when the reason why the runway was built was to accomodate 707s owned by Arthur Jones?


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13942 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
I've seen his 707 parked at OCF quite a few times lately

When I was flying in and out of OCF regularly at the beginning of the year I used to see it there regularly also. A bit of an odd feeling being sandwiched in between that and a Kittyhawk 727F in my little PA28  Smile

Quoting Poitin (Reply 3):
More than likely they charge the tourists to look at it

 Smile I was talking to the FBO who said they were having to be extra careful locking the automatic doors onto the apron because of people wanting to take a look at it.


Took this as I taxied past it:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/LHRjc/IMG_0037.jpg

JC



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 13435 times:

It'll be interesting whether the actual inspection of the runway scheduled for early August (mentioned in the 2nd article linked above) confirms/refutes the contention the condition of the asphalt on the first 1,800 feet of the 7,550 foot runway is as bad as the airport operator claims. If it is, FOD would be a legitimate concern, especially at the beginning of the takeoff roll., and a 707 takeoff could make it worse for -all- aircraft.

Several years ago at SAN, a L-1011 tookoff from runway 27, and the jetblast picked up pieces of asphalt (in the displaced landing threshold area) and sent them flying. They immediately closed the runway for temporary repairs, but at a single runway airport (airline aircraft couldn't use 13-31 which existed back then), even a 2-3 hour closure was an operational pain in the arse, and diversions to LAX, ONT, LGB, LAS, and PHX ensued.

If the inspection of 17FL shows the runway condition there is not as dire as reported, it gives JT's lawyers all the more ammo to use in court...

As far as the airport operator's comments about 17FL's runway being unsuitable for a 707, it also has to be acknowledged (which I don't think he's doing) that JT's 707 isn't operating anywhere near it's maximum structural takeoff or landing weights, and weights are another factor in runway suitability. If JT's 707 was operating 10 daily flights in/out with 150 passengers (yes, I know it's not configured for that many), that'd be more wear-and-tear on the runway than his aircraft operating in/out with 10-20 passengers once or twice a week.


User currently offlinePIT From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 13183 times:

Here is another link to it. He seems pretty ticked off.

http://www.comcast.net/entertainment...7/20/232779.html&cvqh=itn_travolta  hissyfit 


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 13072 times:

Quoting PIT (Reply 7):
Here is another link to it. He seems pretty ticked off.

"Another issue at hand" is JT's current movie? I don't see how, but at least JT is enjoying another plug for the movie.  Wink


User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
JT's 707 isn't operating anywhere near it's maximum structural takeoff or landing weights,

Unless the Weight and Balance for the plane has been redone, I don't think that argument would hold up since the plane can go up to the max structural weight and day that JT feels like it. If JT had the Max Gross Weight lowered though, then that argument would probably work quite well.

I remember a thread talking about how BA lowered the Max Gross Weight on some 757's so they wouldn't be charged more pricey landing fees when they weren't anywhere near the max gross weight. I'm assuming JT could do the same right?


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12247 times:

How often does JT fly his 707?

Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging (if he needs an aircraft at all). Sure its nice to see a 707 still flying around and looking fantastic but I wonder if he is not being a tad irresponsible in terms of how much mileage he does in the gas guzzling beast.



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User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12087 times:

As I mentioned in the thread opener, the dispute between Jumbolair and Garemore has been going on for nearly two decades. Last year, a Florida court ruled against Jumbolair in one of their ongoing lawsuits. After that judgment was entered, Travolta tried to intervene in the case, but was not allowed to because his request was untimely, final judgment having already been entered. Hence, these recent lawsuits by Travolta. Jumbolair is currently appealing the judgment in favor of Garemore. If anyone is interested, I've posted a copy of the Garemore/Jumbolair judgment at the following link. It gives a pretty good history of the property dispute.

http://www.badongo.com/file/3817135



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12036 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 10):
Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging

Maybe he's one of the mystery buyers of a 747-8VIP...  stirthepot 


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11385 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 9):
Unless the Weight and Balance for the plane has been redone, I don't think that argument would hold up since the plane can go up to the max structural weight and day that JT feels like it. If JT had the Max Gross Weight lowered though, then that argument would probably work quite well.

True, but you're missing my point, which was that even though the aircraft may be capable of the max structural takeoff and landing weights, JT's past use in/out of 17FL has been at much lower weights given the aircraft's configuration, and thus less wear-and-tear on the runway. Now, he if he goes and tries to cram 150 folks into it, that's a different story.


User currently offlineBeau222 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Why did he make such a large financial investment (His Home) on "Verbal Agreements"?

User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 10):
Personally I think he should park it and get himself something a little less environmentally damaging (if he needs an aircraft at all).

I believe he also has a GII (GIII?) at his hacienda.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
If the inspection of 17FL shows the runway condition there is not as dire as reported, it gives JT's lawyers all the more ammo to use in court...

More than that, why did the owner of the airport give him permission to use the airport in 2001 and then allow him to use it for 5 more years? My bet is on JT and his pack of lawyers. While not a slam-dunk, it will probably be an easy win, particularly given the airport was originally designed for a 707, and it was used for years by JT without damage -- or at least reported.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
If anyone is interested, I've posted a copy of the Garemore/Jumbolair judgment at the following link. It gives a pretty good history of the property dispute.

http://www.badongo.com/file/3817135

The case reads like a bad movie script but it is interesting that both parties admit JT has rights to use the airport. Now, all of a sudden, he can't land his 707 on it. It really is a case where two good-old boys and one ex-wife are playing games with each other and they made the very bad mistake of p#ssing off a man with lots of money and lawyers. Garemore is gonna lose big time. At best, he will have to upgrade the runway to take N707JT, and at worst, JT will have to fix his new runway himself.


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8951 times:
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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
but at least JT is enjoying another plug for the movie.

He should show up in court in drag like off of "Hair Spray!!"  rotfl 



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 15):
I believe he also has a GII (GIII?) at his hacienda

I believe it's a G-II - N492JT. I think that's it parked to the left of the 707 in the image above.
JC



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6036 times:

John should rebuild a B36 and take off from there on his way out of town. Their windows would still be falling out a year from now and they would be eating off of broken china and dealing with half-mad dogs and cats forever.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
John Travolta has filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the operators of the airport adjacent to his home lied to the FAA to prevent him from flying his 707 in and out. Travolta claims the airport operator falsely told the FAA the runway was not safe for a plane the size of the 707....

They knew full well he would be using the runway for his 707. They built the place specifically for 707s. If anything, they have a duty to make sure the runway will work for 707s

Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
Also interesting is that one article noted that the runway is only 2 inches thick

Someone is FOS

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 4):
How can the Garemores say the runway wasn't designed for 707s when the reason why the runway was built was to accomodate 707s owned by Arthur Jones?

Exactly

Quoting Beau222 (Reply 14):
Why did he make such a large financial investment (His Home) on "Verbal Agreements"?

He didn't. You can't execute a deed on a "verbal agreement" and you can't run an HOA, which is what Jumbolair really is, on a "verbal agreement". Even if there was some sort of oral agreement, he has relied on that runway for more than 5 years and any claim to the contrary for him to use his 707 there would be estopped. This thing with the FAA is just their way around directly breaching the contract they have with Travolta.



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 1):
now the runway is "Unsafe"

It looked ok then:
Travoltas Private Airfiled (by Mik Jan 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)
See post no. 6

[Edited 2007-07-22 11:45:30]

[Edited 2007-07-22 11:46:21]

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

they are afraid he will put rocket engines on his 707 much like how scientology was founded with dc8's with rocket engines. that is all it is they are afraid of noise complaints.

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Someone is FOS

No doubt. 2" thick would be shreded with a single pass of a 707.


25 Highflier92660 : Does 17F operator James Garemore really want someone else (Travolta and the Thayers) to pay for a completely new runway? There are photos of the runwa
26 United_Fan : I'm sure his 'uppety-up' neighbors have to love when their houses get rattled when that 707 comes in. Didn't he get in trouble in BGR for flybys that
27 DeltaGuy : Who the hell cares? It's a heck of a nice plane and good to see at least one example of it still patroling the skies. Let him make all the smoke he w
28 ScrubbsYWG : i think that ruling provided above sums it up best. To paraphrase it, it bascially said that these people were friends, became business partners, and
29 Poitin : I think anything heavier than a 172 would damage a 2" thick asphalt runway on a warm day, and remember it is in Florida. As I said, this reads like a
30 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Assuming he still has the GII, it's a relative antique too...37 years old, built 1970. It's only 6 years younger than his 707. It has had winglets ad
31 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : For anyone thats interested, on Google Maps/Earth the 707 is parked at his home http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&...pn=0.002087,0.003616&t=k&z=18&o
32 Post contains images Isitsafenow : I read the article....the quote I got a buzz out of was...."his jumbo jet..." Again, the media and aviation just don't go together. safe
33 ClearedDirect : Hmmm...Wonder what the date of that picture is. The runway looks freshly paved. It is definately an updated picture.
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