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Airtran 737s At MDW  
User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Everytime I connect through Midway I only see the venerable 717s, does Airtran operate their 737s at all out of MDW?

-jlk


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

I've done 1 trip on a 737 into MDW last year, and my partner swore it was MX sub, so I'm not sure. IIRC, seems like there was a FLL-ATL-MDW leg ran in the past on a 737. Most of the time, I see 717's at MDW.


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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1485 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Well, being based at MDW I see their 737's all of the time! Yes, they do use them regularly into MDW.


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

I think MDW-MCO gets them quite often.

User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2993 times:

How is Airtrans doing out of MDW? Has it been pretty much the same since they didn't get the extra gates (which went to WN)?

User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2986 times:

MDW-ATL is also a big 737 route for AirTran.


ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 2924 times:

Yes, we fly 737's into MDW all time. Maybe even more than 717's. And Amtrakguy.......it's Airtran, not Airtrans. Thanks

User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Haha I don't think I've ever heard the 717 referred to as "venerable" considering its a 10 year old airplane!

User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 6):
Yes, we fly 737's into MDW all time. Maybe even more than 717's. And Amtrakguy.......it's Airtran, not Airtrans. Thanks

..its nice to see FL increase its presence at MDW...MDW-ATL is one of the few routes out of MDW which has seen a y-o-y increase in pax from 2006....



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User currently offlineMDW717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Every MDW route, with the exception of MDW-CLT, sees daily scheduled 73G service.

The current lineup for July:
ATL 1x 73G, 7x 717
MSP 1x73G, 3x 717
BOS 3x 73G
MIA 1x 73G
SRQ 1x 73G
CLT 2x 717
MCO 2x 717, 1x 73G

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
..its nice to see FL increase its presence at MDW...MDW-ATL is one of the few routes out of MDW which has seen a y-o-y increase in pax from 2006....

While I don't have exact figures, I can guarantee the MDW-MSP LF has increased since the route launched in 2005. It went from 3x 717 that were rarely filled to, as recently as last month, 1x 73G 5x 717 that are frequently oversold all day long. The pulldown this month has sealed the deal - the 717s are always full and the 737 is too most days of the week. It's not all $19 web tickets anymore, either. It was nice to see AirTran stick with a route long enough for it to mature and have it pay off.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting MDW717 (Reply 9):
It went from 3x 717 that were rarely filled to, as recently as last month, 1x 73G 5x 717 that are frequently oversold all day long. The pulldown this month has sealed the deal - the 717s are always full and the 737 is too most days of the week.

Why the pull down then? Just seasonal?
Are MDW-CLT and BOS maturing the same way MDW-MSP did?


User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Quoting MDW717 (Reply 9):
While I don't have exact figures, I can guarantee the MDW-MSP LF has increased since the route launched in 2005.

...that's why I stated "one of the few routes".... Wink

...regardless, ...with WN dominating 75% of traffic out of MDW, its nice to see an alternative carrier do well.. yes 

.......kudos to FL... thumbsup 



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 10):
Are MDW-CLT and BOS maturing the same way MDW-MSP did?

I don't think either one has quite the upside of MDW-MSP, so I wouldn't be surprised if they don't see similar upgrades. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, there's not as much potential for market stimulation on longer routes because driving (and Amtrak, in the case of MSP) isn't really a viable alternative. There are plenty of people in Chicago who drive up to the Twin Cities; that's not so true for BOS or CLT.

Furthermore, MDW-CLT seems generally to be an underperforming route. US (YV actually) didn't last long on the route with a massive hub at the other end, and by all accounts, it wasn't one of the brighter spots on TZ's route map. Loads (and yields) were fantastic for a couple of weeks in May and October and not so hot the rest of the time. FL benefits from better-sized aircraft for the route, but there's no reason it would print money for them if it didn't for TZ. I don't have as much insight on BOS, though FL undoubtedly benefits from the fact that B6 isn't flying BOS-ORD. Still, the route ties up an aircraft for half the day, and FL doesn't seem too keen on expansion at MDW (though they've cut back some, so they do have the gate space for 5-7 more flights easily).



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User currently offlinePacallen From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting MDW717 (Reply 9):
The current lineup for July:
ATL 1x 73G, 7x 717
MSP 1x73G, 3x 717
BOS 3x 73G
MIA 1x 73G
SRQ 1x 73G
CLT 2x 717
MCO 2x 717, 1x 73G

Only 22 flights these days? I was fueling for them at MDW a year ago and I remember 40+ (quite a feat with only 4 gates!). Looks like they've changed around their MDW-ATL flights quite a bit... I nonrev on that route a lot (work for Southwest now) and I remember it being all 73's cept for 1 717 flight.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

40+? Even with the 3XDFW and 3XEWR, I don't think we've ever hit 40 departures a day from MDW.

User currently offlineMDW717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

I think our highest was 38 flights when we were operating DFW and EWR, and still in the low to mid 30s last winter with RSW, PBI, and extra SRQ and MCO frequencies. The pulldown to 22 just happened this month, and it looks like they just have a finite amount crews and airplanes that they are using to focus on longer-haul routes like SAN and LAS and the increased presence at BWI. Right now it still appears that MDW may get the seasonal flights back in Nov or Dec, but we're still waiting to see what happens at that little airport just up 94.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
MDW-CLT seems generally to be an underperforming route.

Again, one that was previously true but lately has proven to be the opposite. Both CLT flights go out full several days a week, and while the AM flight operates MDW-CLT-MCO and can be a lot of thru traffic, the PM flight operates only MDW-CLT with no connecting opportunities in CLT and still fills. Both MSP and CLT have built a small following of business travelers, who either because of price or a bad experience on NW or US, have moved to FL and come through MDW weekly.


User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 7):
Haha I don't think I've ever heard the 717 referred to as "venerable" considering its a 10 year old airplane!

As I scrolled thru this thread I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing! Seems like an adjective better suited to NW DC9s than FL 717s!  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2373 times:

Ah yes, that's the problem with simple text. It's all but impossible to impart sarcasm. Haha. I was wondering how many people would pick up on that. Actually the most realistic descriptor for the 717 would probably be "bastard-daughter-of-Boeing"...


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User currently offlineFlightPlan06 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2356 times:

It seems to me that a majority of the 737 seem to be going to BOS and MCO. I was trying to get a flight last week tuesday and all of the flights were the 717 from MDW-ATL and Full.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting MDW717 (Reply 15):
Both CLT flights go out full several days a week,

FL has a couple of things going for it that neither TZ nor US did, and given the relatively high-fare environment at CLT, FL's success on the route doesn't surprise me. Still, I wouldn't look for expansion on the route such as that seen on MDW-MSP.

Quoting MDW717 (Reply 15):
Both MSP and CLT have built a small following of business travelers, who either because of price or a bad experience on NW or US, have moved to FL and come through MDW weekly.

I've heard (just anecdotally, but you may have numbers) that the FL gets a good handful of CLT-MDW-MSP passengers as well. Certainly not something that makes or breaks either route alone, but at the same time definitely not a negative.



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