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KLM A/c Name Significance Question  
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3322 times:
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I was looking at the names KLM uses for if's MD-11 fleet, all famous women, and while i recognized most, Audrey Hepburn, Florence Nightingale, Maria Callas to name a few, PH-KCA is named Amy Johnson, can anyone enlighten me as to who this person was?

Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?


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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Amy Johnson (1 July 1903 – 5 January 1941) C.B.E. was a pioneering British aviatrix who was born in Kingston upon Hull.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

Nope. There will no MD11s in service at KLM at that time  Smile



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7532 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Amy Johnson was a British aviator. She was the first woman to fly solo from England (Croydon) to Australia (Darwin) taking 19 days in May 1930. Subsequently she broke various records including England-Japan (via Moscow) and London-Cape Town (twice).

She was killed in 1941 when the Airspeed Oxford she was flying from Blackpool to Oxford got lost in bad weather and eventually crashed into the Thames Estuary.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Hi!

I really like the way KL name their planes...truly global and a great way to pay tribute to famous people around the world. I cannot forget that KL named a DC-8-63 with a famous portuguese navigator, Vasco da Gama., PH-DEH.


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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

Too political a move, would never happen.



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1801 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Here are all the KLM MD-11s with their names, all famous women.

PH-KCA : Amy Johnson
-KCB: Maria Montessori
-KCC: Marie Curie
-KCD: Florence Nightingale
-KCE: Audrey Hepburn
-KCF: Annie Romein
-KCG: Maria Callas
-KCH: Anna Pavlova
-KCI: Moeder Teresa
-KCK: Ingrid Bergman


Their 744s are named after cities, 737s after birds, 777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.




 Smile



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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 3):
I cannot forget that KL named a DC-8-63 with a famous portuguese navigator, Vasco da Gama., PH-DEH



Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
Their 744s are named after cities, 737s after birds, 777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.

Only the 737NG are named after birds, the 737 classics are named after famous explorers. The name Vasco da Gama lives on in the KLM fleet:


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As well as another famous Portuguese explorer:


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Also, if Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the first female president of the US, would KLM name an aircraft after her in recognition of that?

I don't think so firstly because all those women were dead when each aircraft received their names, and because those were great women in domains outside politic: art, science, social/humanitarian,...

And if KL was to name an aircraft after the first female as head of state/government, how about Angela Merkel ?

Quoting Jano (Reply 1):
Nope. There will no MD11s in service at KLM at that time

You do realise that he only said aircraft, not MD-11, so the chance of this happening...  Wink


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Hi KL557!

I didn't knew that KL kept "our Vasco da Gama" in their fleet...very neat indeed! Unfortunately we don't see in LIS many 737 Classics anymore! But I can assure you that regarding PH-DEH every time we saw it here it was a great moment...specially because during those days ( KL had a flight in 1980 that served Paramaribo via a tech. stop at LIS with the good old DC-8-63!!! I saw all KL DC-8-63 fleet in LIS at that time!!! ) seeing PH-DEH was quite a nice moment.
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User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

They're all famous, outstanding women, pioneers for their time. It's really nice that the first MD11-name was in honour of an aviation figure.


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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7532 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 7):
And if KL was to name an aircraft after the first female as head of state/government, how about Angela Merkel ?

Or even Margaret Thatcher who beat Angela Merkel as head of government by more than a quarter of a century. But neither of them were the first female head of government. They were preceded by the Indian Prime Minister, Mrs Nehru, and she was preceded by the Prime Minister of Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) in 1'960, Mrs Srimavo Bandaranaike. Indeed Mrs Bandaranaike's daughter, Chandrika Kumaratunja, also became Prime Minister of Sri Lanka before Mrs Merkel became the German Chancellor. While Mrs Bandaranaike was the first female head of a democratic government she was preceded by many female heads of state including the British Queens Elizabeth I (died 1603) and Victoria (died 1901).


User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

I think it is a very nice custom of airlines to name their planes, something that many more should do IMHO.
KLM could be a bit more patriotic by naming aircraft after locations in the Netherlands, but I suppose that many of those places would be very difficult to pronounce by most people!

We could make a list of airlines that name their planes. I'll make a start with European airlines>

- Aer Lingus
- Alitalia
- Iberia
- KLM
- Lufthansa
- Martinair
- SAS
- Turkish Airlines
- Virgin Atlantic
- Vueling


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
Their 744s are named after cities

So what 747 I was flying in 2002? It was named Sir Frank Whittle.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 7):
You do realise that he only said aircraft, not MD-11, so the chance of this happening...

But only MD11s are named after famous women.

In order for this to ever happen KLM would have to order a new type of airplane. Looking at the name scheme of the last ordered types

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 5):
777s after World Heritage sites and A330s after famous town squares.



Quoting KL577 (Reply 6):
Only the 737NG are named after birds



KLM seems to be going in a different direction, which is a smart move, it's less controversial, but very inclusive.



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User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting Jano (Reply 12):
So what 747 I was flying in 2002? It was named Sir Frank Whittle.

A 747-306M, the PH-BUU.

Quoting Jano (Reply 12):

KLM seems to be going in a different direction, which is a smart move, it's less controversial, but very inclusive.

Not really, the 767's had names of bridges, and the birdnames were previously on the DC-2/3s



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting Jano (Reply 12):
So what 747 I was flying in 2002? It was named Sir Frank Whittle.

That would have been PH-BUU, a '300 series.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

These were the names of KL's B747-200/300:

PH-BUA - Mississippi
PH-BUB - Danube
PH-BUC - Amazone
PH-BUD- Nile
PH-BUE- Rio de la Plata
PH-BUF - Rhine (lost in Tenerife crash)
PH-BUG - Orinoco
PH-BUH - Albert Plesman (currently KL's first A330 PH-AOA is named A.Plesman)
PH-BUI - Wilbur Wright
PH-BUK - Louis Bleriot
PH-BUL - Charles A. Lindbergh
PH-BUM - Sir Charles E Kingsford Smith
PH-BUN - Anthony HG Fokker
PH-BUO - Missouri
PH-BUP - Ganges
PH-BUR - Indus
PH-BUT - Admiral Richard E Byrd
PH-BUU - Sir Frank Whittle
PH-BUV - Sir Geoffrey De Haviland
PH-BUW - Leonardo da Vinci

All aircraft withdrawn from (KL) service.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 15):
PH-BUH - Albert Plesman (currently KL's first A330 PH-AOA is named A.Plesman)

Actually, it is B777 PH-BQA that is called Albert Plesman. PH-AOA is named Dam-Amsterdam.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 16):
Actually, it is B777 PH-BQA

Oops,  Wow! , you're right.....  embarrassed 


User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 16):
Actually, it is B777 PH-BQA that is called Albert Plesman

Fact: she was already baptised 'Acropolis' when someone realized they needed an 'Albert Plesman'!



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 18):
Fact: she was already baptised 'Acropolis' when someone realized they needed an 'Albert Plesman'!

LOL, never knew that! Any pictures of that?



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 2641 times:
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thanks for all the great responses!

what i thought interesting was that here is this woman, Amy Johnson, who made many hazardous journeys all over the world, and yet she met her end on what seems like such a simple trip from one part of england to another



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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
British Queens Elizabeth I (died 1603)

...and her half-sister Mary right before her...



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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
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Quoting Levent (Reply 11):
I suppose that many of those places would be very difficult to pronounce by most people!

"KLM's 'shlipen shoopen kragens achtuvernacht.' is the newest of the KLM fleet."  Wink



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 22):
"KLM's 'shlipen shoopen kragens achtuvernacht.' is the newest of the KLM fleet."

Ha, ha... what about Roelofsarendsveen or 's Gravenhage? Or Scheveningen - an old time favourite!


User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2579 times:
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Quoting Levent (Reply 23):
Roelofsarendsveen

Confused PAX looking that the plane, "Reolfsssaaahh what??" LoL  rotfl 



Heja Sverige!!
25 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Golda Meir was the Prime Minister of Israel from March 1969 to April 1974. As such, she was the third women to become Head of State in the 20th Centu
26 FlySSC : Unfortunately, the name "Acropolis" is under the sticker ' KLM B777"
27 Post contains images RootsAir : Then they could name an aircraft after Indria Gandhi Eva Peron Angel Merckel Michelle Bachelet Ellen Sirleaf....etc
28 Post contains links YOWza : Maybe down the line. Certainly not while she's still alive. There are exceptions in each I believe. An we can not forget this KL bird, albeit with a
29 Viscount724 : Interstingly, UA also named their 20 Caravelles (in service 1960-61 to 1970-72) for French cities, with the name shown in French, although UA had no
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